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Dharmaton (2398 D)
18 Feb 12 UTC
The Ancient Mediterranean variant should be taken off this site !
It's way too unbalanced & unfair -
so easy to have 2 vs 1 gang-ups in which there is absolutely no way out of.
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cteno4 (100 D)
21 Feb 12 UTC
Mods please unpause New Game-41
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=79818

This game was paused all weekend with the public understanding that it would need to remain paused until roughly 24 hours (one order phase) ago now. Two players, Russia and France, have each logged on in the last seven hours and neither one has voted to unpause. Please help.
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Thucydides (864 D(B))
17 Feb 12 UTC
ANTI-CHOICE VS ANTI-LIFE: DUEL!!!!
CAGE MATCH HERE
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Diplomat33 (243 D(B))
19 Feb 12 UTC
Lets Play another game of Ankara Crescent
It was fun (and of course funny) the last time. Lets do it again. As I like to do, my F occupies Iceland.
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MenInBlack (0 DX)
21 Feb 12 UTC
We need a Mod to unpause a game.
http://www.webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=74655#gamePanel

Frozen-Antarctica hasn`t been on in a while from the looks of it and everyone else has unpaused, including the one who needed it. Please unpause it for us!
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sqrg (304 D)
21 Feb 12 UTC
Funniest Scientific troll of the year
"Theory of the Origin, Evolution, and Nature of Life."
Seen this? http://www.mdpi.com/2075-1729/2/1/1/pdf
Brilliantly psychotic and absurd pseudoscienctific poetry. I hope some people enjoy reading the first few pages as much as I did.
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HITLER69 (0 DX)
21 Feb 12 UTC
ANTI-FORUM / ANTI-THREAD
WHAT AM I DOING HERE?
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orathaic (1009 D(B))
12 Feb 12 UTC
Do you believe morality is universal, or relative?
quick survey...
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orathaic (1009 D(B))
12 Feb 12 UTC
(and let's see how quickly this goes off topic)
stratagos (3269 D(S))
12 Feb 12 UTC
Why am I doing your homework again?

dubmdell (556 D)
12 Feb 12 UTC
As is the case with most things, a little bit of both.
(also it seems two posts is the length of time to get off topic ;)
YadHoGrojaUL (330 D)
12 Feb 12 UTC
My relatives are moral people, if that helps...
Putin33 (111 D)
12 Feb 12 UTC
Relative. Anyone who believes in universal morality believes in an unchanging human nature and a monolithic human race with no internal differences.
Putin33 (111 D)
12 Feb 12 UTC
"My relatives are moral people, if that helps..."

But is the universe?
Putin33 (111 D)
12 Feb 12 UTC
Also, relative morality doesn't mean that there isn't a (socially constructed) global culture of norms and morals, especially in the current time period where diplomats from all over the world frequently meet and publish declarations on these subjects.
Octavious (2701 D)
12 Feb 12 UTC
It is both. There are clearly a core set of human values shared amongst all human cultures and civalisations. Outside that core there is a delightfully huge amount of variability that gives us all countless opportunities to kill people with the reasuring belief we're in the right.
Putin33 (111 D)
12 Feb 12 UTC
What are these 'core values'?
redhouse1938 (429 D)
12 Feb 12 UTC
I agree with Octavious here, and one of these "core values" would certainly include the legal equality between men and women IMO, that is still not guaranteed (i.e., Saudi Arabia's policy against women being allowed to drive is immoral from whatever perspective you look at it).
Putin33 (111 D)
12 Feb 12 UTC
If it's not guaranteed then how is it a 'core value' shared by all civilizations?
Putin33 (111 D)
12 Feb 12 UTC
Furthermore don't universal values have to also be timeless? Or am I confusing things?
redhouse1938 (429 D)
12 Feb 12 UTC
It's not, but I consider my values to be superior than Saudi Arabia's in this instance. Coming to think of it, why does a country that is practically floating on oil prohibiting ANYONE to drive?
Anyways, Saudi Arabia probably has a whole bunch of laws and values that are different from my own, but I'd probably just consider them to be that: different, and not necessarily inferior.
YadHoGrojaUL (330 D)
12 Feb 12 UTC
"But is the universe?"

Is it what?
A person? Possible but unllikely..
A relative? Suppose it could be. Uncle Cosmos has a certain cachet...
Moral. Yes. It expands equally in all directions, without fear or favour.
redhouse1938 (429 D)
12 Feb 12 UTC
lol YadHoGrojaUL.
Octavious (2701 D)
12 Feb 12 UTC
@ Putin

It would be hard to make a definitive list without knowledge of all the cultures of humanity, and even then it would look like a list of the blatently obvious. But the idea that there are no shared values at all strikes me as being hugely unlikely. If you could tell me of a corner of humanity that believes the slaughter of their children isn't at least morally suspect you may be able to convince me, however.
MajorMitchell (1874 D)
12 Feb 12 UTC

may I suggest that morality is the product of human reasoning

"nature", which is universal is amoral, that is it is neither moral, or immoral

for example, the "laws" of physics are universal, eg light will behave in the same way
in any part of the universe.

so I suspect that morality is a relative concept
redhouse1938 (429 D)
12 Feb 12 UTC
@MajorMitchell
That seems contradictory right? If morality is a product of (human) reasoning, then how can the outcome change? If it does, then would that imply that somebody is reasoning incorrectly?
Putin33 (111 D)
12 Feb 12 UTC
" If you could tell me of a corner of humanity that believes the slaughter of their children isn't at least morally suspect you may be able to convince me, however."

In order to answer to that I have to ask, again, are what you call core values timeless, or have they been built over time? At any rate there many countries that use children as soldiers in war even today, and the Bible is not squeamish about calling for the death of children, so if this is a core value where did it come from?

Unless I misread that statement and what you are saying is nobody advocates killing their own children, but even then, we have 'honor killings' and whatnot.
Putin33 (111 D)
12 Feb 12 UTC
And just an FYI, I am not saying that killing children could be acceptable, only that it has taken humans collectively quite a long time to get to the point where it is largely deemed unacceptable except by some countries with severe developmental issues and young populations. The only thing unchanging about human beings is that is that its morality has consistently evolved and become more 'progressive', expanding to include concern for greater and greater categories of people and even non-human organisms.
dubmdell (556 D)
12 Feb 12 UTC
lol Putin is arguing that relative morality is the only way morality can be. Irony, anyone?
Putin33 (111 D)
12 Feb 12 UTC
No, not really. No more ironic than saying it is impossible for motion to completely cease.
Mafialligator (239 D)
12 Feb 12 UTC
@ dubmdell - Are you Alanis Morissette?
dubmdell (556 D)
12 Feb 12 UTC
There's a certain disconnect. Let me look into a better word than "irony."
Yellowjacket (835 D(B))
12 Feb 12 UTC
It's clearly relative in practice. Consider the pro-life vs. pro-choice argument. Both take a strong moral stance, one holds that all life is sacred, the other that a woman has the right to choose for herself what is best.

Both are logical, though competing, moral codes that would move society in a different direction. The difference, of course is that one of these doctrines also argues that morality is NOT relative, in fact that it is universal and not subject to change or choice. By that argument, any differing morality is "immoral."

I would speculate that most religious types believe in moral universality.
Thucydides (864 D(B))
12 Feb 12 UTC
This is a great question, but unfortunately I think I am a poor responder for your survey, because my views on this topic are so complicated I'm not sure I can even post them here.

I will try to sum up the conclusion:

It is possible that there are universal morals, but no one probably knows exactly what they are if they exist. I do believe they exist, but I do not believe anyone has it exactly right. In the meantime we do our best through reasoning to reach quasi-universal standards to apply in our own moral pursuits, but all more edicts we write for ourselves must never be strict unbending rules, instead, guidelines prioritized in order of importance. After that you apply consequentialism to test your results and continue to modify.

An example of a nearly-infallible guideline would be the moral equality of all people.

So.... uh. Short answer? Universal, except maybe not. And even if there is universalism, there are important lessons to be learned from relativism, such as mutual respect and interpersonal harmony.
King Atom (100 D)
12 Feb 12 UTC
@Orthaic's original post: Go read Joseph Campbell's The Power of Myth. It explains a lot about different themes portrayed universally and since the dawn of man.
Mafialligator (239 D)
12 Feb 12 UTC
I'm with Putin, morality is completely socially constructed and thus relative. The temptation is, when considering a complex question like this, to say "oh there's a middle ground and its somewhere in there." The fallacy of the golden mean, it's a very tempting mistake to make and it seems intuitive which is why it seems strange to dubmdell that Putin would not take a middle of the road position.
Putin33 (111 D)
12 Feb 12 UTC
Frankly in reading/listening to all the new theist/atheist debates, I think this moral absolutism/universalism question is where the secular humanist side hasn't come up with a muscular defense of relativism. Indeed many keep trying to assert a humanistic universalism, like Sam Harris, and it's just clunky and weird. One of the few who doesn't do this is Arif Ahmed.
Yellowjacket (835 D(B))
12 Feb 12 UTC
It seems obvious to me that morality is dictated by whats best for the greatest gain of the species. The perception of what that is changes slowly, but if we can cite evidence that morality has changed over human history, does that not prove that morality is relative?

I think slavery is a pretty good first direction to go if you buy that argument. Nowhere in the {modern, first, civilized, choose your adjective} world is slavery still practiced under the law (queue the counterexample from Putin, I know you have one :P ), so doesn't that suggest moral relativity?

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Yellowjacket (835 D(B))
19 Feb 12 UTC
Curse you!
How Diplomacy totally fxxxed my enjoyment of other games
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Viktyr L. Korimir (174 D)
21 Feb 12 UTC
Newbie World Diplomacy IX Game
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=81115

Four days for signups. Please don't leave me hanging-- I'm dying to try this variant.
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DiploMerlin (245 D)
20 Feb 12 UTC
How do I join a game?
I've tried joining games, but when I put in my user password it says it's wrong. The password lets me log into the website but not individual games. Am I using the wrong password?
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HITLER69 (0 DX)
21 Feb 12 UTC
obvious meta-gaming?
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=81132&msgCountryID=0
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Lando Calrissian (100 D(S))
21 Feb 12 UTC
Gunboat 1000 D
2 more people in under 3 hours?
gameID=80337
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semck83 (229 D(B))
19 Jan 12 UTC
Team Texas!
All here for Texas in the WC!
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YanksFan47 (150 D)
20 Feb 12 UTC
Live Match
If anyone is interested in a live match, a 5 minute per phase at the Ancient Mediterranean will be starting in about 10 minutes. It is called Live Mediterranean-7.
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ulytau (541 D)
20 Feb 12 UTC
Did anyone looked for the survey on integrating the GR?
It's here:

tinyurl.com/ghostratingsurvey
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
19 Feb 12 UTC
OK...I Have To Know..."The Hunger Games?" Really? ...WHY?
This book has been getting acclaim for a while now, and that's usual for a lot of aimed-at-young-adult books series...

But now I hear some of my fellow Poly Sci and English majors and even a couple professors professing the merits of the work? ...Has anyone read this? Can someone tell me why (or what you think of it?)
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Bob Genghiskhan (1233 D)
19 Feb 12 UTC
Going from draws to wins
I may be overestimating my capabilities, but I like to think I'm pretty good at the opening phases of the game. I think I have a pretty good sense of tactical possibilities, and at least adequate diploming skills. So I find myself being cut in on a lot of draws. But the next step, going from inclusion in a draw to wins, is one that seems to escape me. So, I'm wondering what people who get a high percentage of wins are doing to get them.
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Praed (100 D)
20 Feb 12 UTC
Fast game, Classic, Full press
One day left and I need 4 more players. 12 hour phase so only frequent visitors and reliable players please. Thanks.
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=80842
p/w rocket
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YanksFan47 (150 D)
20 Feb 12 UTC
Live Mediterranean
Is anyone interested participating in a live match at the Ancient Mediterranean?
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kalle_k (253 D)
19 Feb 12 UTC
Retreats from countries in CD/when no retreat orders are given
How does it work with retreats if the country is i CD/no retreat order is given, does the unit disband then or does it retreat to, randomly selected, adjacent province?
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alexanderthegr8 (0 DX)
19 Feb 12 UTC
quick 61
please join our game quick 61
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warrior within (0 DX)
19 Feb 12 UTC
WorldCup Group A Gunboat 1
pass?
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doomer (0 DX)
19 Feb 12 UTC
why game not starting?
http://www.webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=81037
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steephie22 (182 D(S))
12 Feb 12 UTC
searching for a shootergame where you're captain of a big squad
more details inside...
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SocDem (441 D)
19 Feb 12 UTC
Cheating? (muti-tasking)
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=81030
i suspect but hope it does not
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abgemacht (1076 D(G))
19 Feb 12 UTC
Help us track down a bug.
If you've ever been marked as "Resigned" in error at the end of a game, please link the game in this thread.
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Sicarius (673 D)
19 Feb 12 UTC
wow craigslist
http://toledo.craigslist.org/zip/2858935998.html
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mittag (391 D)
19 Feb 12 UTC
GreaseMonkey script to provide GhostRating on profile pages
If you want to see the GhostRating on profile pages, you can now use my GreaseMonkey script. Located at: http://etum.nl/greasemonkey/webdipgr.user.js

You can easily customize it to your wishes. Distributed under the GPLv2.
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Dharmaton (2398 D)
29 Dec 11 UTC
Word Association !
You know the rules ;)
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