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Cachimbo (1181 D)
02 Sep 11 UTC
I've unmuted Tettleton's Chew for a minute and....
Nothing's changed. I still can't read a word he says without feeling sick to my stomach.
Let me know when he leaves the site!
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Cachimbo (1181 D)
02 Sep 11 UTC
Ghost Ratings
With the Maker gone, will there be an update this month?
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OpTic (0 DX)
03 Sep 11 UTC
Live game now
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=66981
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
02 Sep 11 UTC
An Honest Question--No Right or Wrong, BLACK or WHITE Answer...Right?
Toni Morisson put foward the idea that, in "white" literature, "black" people are used to fill the role of "the other," ie, to help define the white people by contrast (usually positively...or at least, it was SUPPOSED to be positive--you can decide for yourself just how positive that can really leave people.) Thus, she said, blacks were kept seperate from others in identity, and inequality in society stemmed, in part, from this concept. My question is...
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Ben Dewey (205 D)
02 Sep 11 UTC
To Sack an Empire
Join.
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Yeoman (100 D)
02 Sep 11 UTC
All the games that didn't make it
Everybody, settle down please. Let us all spend a minute in silence for all those games that didn't make it.
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Cachimbo (1181 D)
31 Aug 11 UTC
Music you just discovered
Ever since I quit DJing (a long time ago already), I've had a hard time keeping up with new sounds. If you've discovered a band or an artist recently and really like them, let this be a forum where you can share your luck with others.
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Lando Calrissian (100 D(S))
01 Sep 11 UTC
I need a new game
Gunboat, 300 D ish, WTA 36 hours, classic.

This is all negotiable. Who is interested, any specific requests?
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micahbales (1397 D)
02 Sep 11 UTC
Tactical question
Hi everyone. My question is pretty basic: Can a fleet in Edi support an army holding in Lvp? I'm thinking not, since Clyde is in between, but I'm not sure.
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Maniac (189 D(B))
01 Sep 11 UTC
My Dilemma
Exploiting loop holes. See Inside.
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Mickie (394 D)
02 Sep 11 UTC
Time bug
Anyone else have a time bug (mine says the next turn is happening in 122 days?) Do the original times still stand or is there an indefinite pause until the bug is resolved??
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Tettleton's Chew (0 DX)
02 Sep 11 UTC
Citizens choose private over failing public schools
In Indiana legislation returned school choice to the consuming parents on the lower end of the economic scale, and oh what a disaster for failing public schools.
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FirstApple (100 D(B))
01 Sep 11 UTC
Comments/Notes in game
I think there should be a section for this added in game. Do you?
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Gobbledydook (1389 D(B))
01 Sep 11 UTC
DAIDE diplomacy
There exists a diplomacy server called DAIDE which runs AI...and they are darn smart (at least in gunboat).
https://sites.google.com/site/diplomacyai/QuickStart
Thoughts?
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MadMarx (36299 D(G))
01 Sep 11 UTC
I'd like to take a vote on a diplomacy issue.
Any/all help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.
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Fasces349 (0 DX)
01 Sep 11 UTC
Civility REQUIRED game: players wanted
To my understanding this is our 4th attempt at a civility game. The first 2 were very successful, the last one was ruined by one of the players.

If you would like to try at a civility game post here and I will send you an invite.
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bubbajiggins (0 DX)
02 Sep 11 UTC
The Event
Join this game and be part of the second most important event behind the kickoff to college football. We ask for experienced players, and want a challenging game. Hope you can make it!
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Conservative Man (100 D)
31 Aug 11 UTC
You learn something new every day
So in english I found out that the word 'hella' is generally only used in northern california, where I live. And all my life I thought it was used all across the US.......
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Putin33 (111 D)
31 Aug 11 UTC
Tastiest coffee you've ever had
I believe I've just discovered the best tasting coffee I've ever had. Burundi coffee from FortyWeight coffee roasters. Please do point out delicious tasting coffees to enjoy.
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Sydney City (0 DX)
31 Aug 11 UTC
How to change phase lengths?
The overwhelming majority of players in this game want the 10day phase changed to 1 day phases- the only ones who havent responded havent been seen for 14+ days...
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King Atom (100 D)
31 Aug 11 UTC
OH YEAH!
What my marching band will be playing...
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RobKohr (100 D)
01 Sep 11 UTC
Postal Diplomacy - Attempt 2
Well, the 10 day deadline passed and we only got 5 players out of 7.
Lets try again:
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Puma (1231 D(S))
01 Sep 11 UTC
No in game messaging?
I don't understand why we have or want the no in game messaging option. Doesn't that go against what diplomacy is all about? Especially if the game does not have anonymous players then I fear private messages would be exchanged but that would go against the intent of the option. I would appreciate if someone could explain how they play that option.
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santosh (335 D)
01 Sep 11 UTC
What happened to Public Press Games?
I think it's a pity there are no public press live games around anymore. PP games are such a delightful parody of the classic and gunboat variants.
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trip (696 D(B))
31 Aug 11 UTC
Don't Stop Me Now
Would the player who needs to pause please PM me.
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steephie22 (182 D(S))
31 Aug 11 UTC
there is NO brilliant military leader!!
everybody uses a line, let's try something different...
hey, how about a column??
why are you such a genius when you find a better way to do something??
it's all so logical...
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Hugo_Stiglitz (100 D)
31 Aug 11 UTC
Does this game make me a bad person?
Ok, so I played a pretty cutthroat (read:dirty) game here where I essentially lied my ass off and stabbed several allies (one of wich i promised to draw 17-17 with). How shitty of a person am i?
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Thucydides (864 D(B))
31 Aug 11 UTC
Eid Mubakar, Bonne Korite'
I prayed with thousands of Muslims today on a beach in Dakar, Senegal for the end of Ramadan.

Does anyone know if I actually broke a rule of some kind by doing this? Regardless it was an unforgettable thing, I've only really ever seen that type of thing on TV, now I've done it.
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yebellz (729 D(G))
27 Aug 11 UTC
Statistics from Tournament/League Games
I've compiled some statistics from the tournament/league games listed at tournaments.webdiplomacy.net

See inside for details...
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yebellz (729 D(G))
27 Aug 11 UTC
The following statistics are based on 281 completed games from the following tournaments/league seasons.

League Seasons: Autumn 2008, Spring 2009, Autumn 2009, Summer 2010
Grand Festive Diplomacy Tournament‎ 2010-2011
Gunboat Tournament 2010
The Masters' 2009-10 Tournament
World Cup 2010
2 TGM Champions Trophy games: 2010 game, 2011 (game 1)

Note: game 2 of the 2011 TGM Trophy is under progress and hence not included. Other ongoing tournaments and league seasons were also not included.
yebellz (729 D(G))
27 Aug 11 UTC
Here is the breakdown by country and global statistics. Note: Loss means either a survive or defeat. WTA all the way!

Austria
Wins: 10 3.6%
Draws: 94 33.5%
2Way: 5 1.8%
3Way: 42 14.9%
4Way: 31 11.0%
5Way: 10 3.6%
6Way: 5 1.8%
7Way: 1 0.4%
Losses: 177 63.0%

England
Wins: 9 3.2%
Draws: 110 39.1%
2Way: 6 2.1%
3Way: 54 19.2%
4Way: 31 11.0%
5Way: 12 4.3%
6Way: 6 2.1%
7Way: 1 0.4%
Losses: 162 57.7%

France
Wins: 15 5.3%
Draws: 122 43.4%
2Way: 6 2.1%
3Way: 56 19.9%
4Way: 37 13.2%
5Way: 16 5.7%
6Way: 6 2.1%
7Way: 1 0.4%
Losses: 144 51.2%

Germany
Wins: 12 4.3%
Draws: 115 40.9%
2Way: 8 2.8%
3Way: 54 19.2%
4Way: 32 11.4%
5Way: 16 5.7%
6Way: 4 1.4%
7Way: 1 0.4%
Losses: 154 54.8%

Italy
Wins: 7 2.5%
Draws: 85 30.2%
2Way: 3 1.1%
3Way: 33 11.7%
4Way: 29 10.3%
5Way: 14 5.0%
6Way: 5 1.8%
7Way: 1 0.4%
Losses: 189 67.3%

Russia
Wins: 10 3.6%
Draws: 85 30.2%
2Way: 1 0.4%
3Way: 33 11.7%
4Way: 32 11.4%
5Way: 13 4.6%
6Way: 5 1.8%
7Way: 1 0.4%
Losses: 186 66.2%

Turkey
Wins: 13 4.6%
Draws: 103 36.7%
2Way: 3 1.1%
3Way: 52 18.5%
4Way: 28 10.0%
5Way: 14 5.0%
6Way: 5 1.8%
7Way: 1 0.4%
Losses: 165 58.7%

Global
Total: 281
Wins: 76 27.0%
Draws: 205 73.0%
2Way: 16 5.7%
3Way: 108 38.4%
4Way: 55 19.6%
5Way: 19 6.8%
6Way: 6 2.1%
7Way: 1 0.4%
yebellz (729 D(G))
27 Aug 11 UTC
Here are the frequencies (histogram) of different game outcomes (either a solo or draw) sorted by most frequent to least frequent. It's not very intelligible as is (more akin to a raw data dump), but anyone can feel free to use to it study correlations in how some countries are more or less likely to reach a draw together.

F : 15
T : 13
G : 12
FGT : 11
A : 10
R : 10
E : 9
EGT : 8
I : 7
AEF : 7
FIR : 6
AGI : 6
EFT : 6
AET : 6
AEI : 6
FRT : 5
FGR : 5
AFGT : 5
AFG : 5
EG : 4
FGRT : 4
AFIR : 4
EIT : 4
FGIRT : 4
GIT : 4
AGR : 3
AEIR : 3
AFT : 3
FG : 3
AEGI : 3
ERT : 3
EFIR : 3
EGRT : 3
FIRT : 3
EFR : 3
EGI : 3
EGR : 2
AEFT : 2
AFI : 2
AEFIR : 2
AGIR : 2
AEFIRT : 2
AEGR : 2
AGIT : 2
EFRT : 2
AFGRT : 2
AI : 2
AEFGT : 2
EFGIT : 2
GRT : 2
AEG : 2
EFG : 2
AEFI : 2
EGIRT : 2
EFGI : 2
AEFR : 2
EFGT : 2
AFGR : 1
AEFG : 1
AG : 1
FT : 1
GIR : 1
AEFGI : 1
AEFGIRT : 1
AE : 1
ET : 1
AFRT : 1
EFGIRT : 1
AFGIT : 1
FGIR : 1
AF : 1
AEFGRT : 1
AEFGIR : 1
EIR : 1
EFIRT : 1
AEFGR : 1
AEGT : 1
EGIR : 1
AEGIR : 1
AFR : 1
FI : 1
EFIT : 1
EGIT : 1
AER : 1
AEFGIT : 1
FGIT : 1
RT : 1
yebellz (729 D(G))
27 Aug 11 UTC
Weird, in the country statistics breakdown, I used spaces to align the columns of data, but some how those redundant spaces got removed when I made this post. Does this forum remove extra white space?

TESTING:

Blah Blah
Blah Should Be Big Spaces Here

Austria
Wins: 10 3.6%
Awesome. Thanks for doing all this.
hellalt (24 D)
27 Aug 11 UTC
So France has a 48,7% win/draw percentage.
Almost as good as me. :P
steephie22 (182 D(S))
27 Aug 11 UTC
hm...
they all have the same amount of 7 way draws... :)
It seems as though the Big 3 here are Turkey, France, and... Germany! I'm pretty surprised at that last one, personally. Germany is one of the biggest victims of midgame shakeout syndrome. I could have taken a solo with Germany and tied it for second! Oh well. :P

So, it seems FGT is the place to be.
orathaic (1009 D(B))
27 Aug 11 UTC
Wins: Aus 10 3.6% Eng 9 3.2% Fra 15 5.3% Ger 12 4.3% Ita 7 2.5% Rus 10 3.6% Tur 13 4.6%

As a percentage of total(72) wins:
Fra 20.83%
Tur 18.05%
Ger 16.66%
Rus 13.88%
Aus 13.15%
Eng 12.5%
Ita 9.72%
acmac10 (120 D(B))
27 Aug 11 UTC
Weird seeing a true Juggernaut and Western Triple; the two and three, respectively, drew 2 and 1 times, respectively. Interesting seeing that especially the Western Triple has stayed true to domination rather than the Juggernaut.
yebellz (729 D(G))
27 Aug 11 UTC
@acmac10: but that's also just 3 games out of 281. unlikely things can happen.
yebellz (729 D(G))
27 Aug 11 UTC
By the way, here are those three games, the RT and EFG draws:

gameID=6147
gameID=15069
gameID=37614
yebellz (729 D(G))
27 Aug 11 UTC
Those three (EFT and RT) draws happened in the Leagues.

Also, the 7-way draw, gameID=26653 happened in the Masters where draws don't count for anything and only solos affect the standings.
Cachimbo (1181 D)
27 Aug 11 UTC
With all those stats out, can I assume that the league's activities are about to end and a new season about to begin?
FirstApple (100 D(B))
27 Aug 11 UTC
Probably so Cachimbo, but you have to have a medal to get into the new league. LOL
Alderian (2425 D(S))
27 Aug 11 UTC
@Cachimbo, there is one game left running in the webdip league.
mapleleaf (0 DX)
28 Aug 11 UTC
Any stats on anon full press games?
Cachimbo (1181 D)
28 Aug 11 UTC
Cool. Thanks for the info. It's the premier league game, right?
Alderian (2425 D(S))
28 Aug 11 UTC
Yes, and you can check the status of all the current league games here:
http://tournaments.webdiplomacy.net/The-php-League/leagues-winter-2011
Cachimbo (1181 D)
28 Aug 11 UTC
Cheers!
Draugnar (0 DX)
28 Aug 11 UTC
Inclusion of the leagues will skew your results as the Meta gaming that occurs in the later games has nothing to do with in game strategy.
yebellz (729 D(G))
28 Aug 11 UTC
@Cachimbo, re: "With all those stats out, can I assume that the league's activities are about to end and a new season about to begin?"
The timing of the release of my statistics is not correlated with the schedule of the leagues. It's just a coincidence. In fact, if I had been patient I also could have included the current leagues.

@mapleleaf: I generated all of these statistics using a handy perl script, so it'll be trivial for me to regenerate them for just a subset of the games, if you want to look at statistics that only include games of a particular type. Any particular set of tournaments you'd like to look at?

@Draugnar: I totally agree that league meta could possibly create a bias in the results. I think the different rules of these various competitions certainly create all sorts of biases. For example, in the Masters, only solos have an impact on the standings, so somewhat unsurprisingly, the only 7-way draw happened in that competition. Also, GFDT has a scoring system that is essentially PPSC, which could potentially skew the percentage of solos.

If anyone wants to see statistics for a particular subset of tournaments/leagues, let me know.
That's pretty interesting to see the modern statistics on high-level play differ from the conventional wisdom of the classic PBM writers.

I always had a personal opinion that France was the strongest country to play on the basis that it has the best access to all of the naval choke points + Munich.
yebellz (729 D(G))
29 Aug 11 UTC
275 players participated in the 281 league/tournament games that I surveyed. Of those players, 54 have won at least one of those games. 19 have won at least twice.

Only three have won thrice.
userID=3927 gameID=7414 gameID=13217 gameID=17149
userID=11454 gameID=10519 gameID=11487 gameID=12004
userID=12416 gameID=10543 gameID=19910 gameID=50983
fortknox (2059 D)
29 Aug 11 UTC
I'd like to see the statistics without the non-diplomacy game... I mean, without the gunboat tourney. Apples and oranges compared to the rest (IMHO). And maybe without the lowest tier in the leagues, either (the intro, as I assume there are CDs and replacement players there a lot more than the upper leagues).
Yeah I'd like to see the gunboat games filtered out as well, they might deflate how strong Russia is, especially considering how strong Russia has traditionally been considered.
yebellz (729 D(G))
30 Aug 11 UTC
Here are the statistics, with the following competitions/games *removed*:
Gunboat Tournament 2010 (it was only 21 games, by the way)
League: Entire 2008 season, D groups from other seasons

Austria
Wins: 6 3.3%
Draws: 65 36.1%
2Way: 1 0.6%
3Way: 30 16.7%
4Way: 22 12.2%
5Way: 8 4.4%
6Way: 3 1.7%
7Way: 1 0.6%
Losses: 109 60.6%

England
Wins: 6 3.3%
Draws: 71 39.4%
2Way: 2 1.1%
3Way: 36 20.0%
4Way: 20 11.1%
5Way: 8 4.4%
6Way: 4 2.2%
7Way: 1 0.6%
Losses: 103 57.2%

France
Wins: 9 5.0%
Draws: 83 46.1%
2Way: 4 2.2%
3Way: 38 21.1%
4Way: 25 13.9%
5Way: 11 6.1%
6Way: 4 2.2%
7Way: 1 0.6%
Losses: 88 48.9%

Germany
Wins: 6 3.3%
Draws: 80 44.4%
2Way: 5 2.8%
3Way: 40 22.2%
4Way: 20 11.1%
5Way: 12 6.7%
6Way: 2 1.1%
7Way: 1 0.6%
Losses: 94 52.2%

Italy
Wins: 4 2.2%
Draws: 55 30.6%
2Way: 1 0.6%
3Way: 20 11.1%
4Way: 19 10.6%
5Way: 10 5.6%
6Way: 4 2.2%
7Way: 1 0.6%
Losses: 121 67.2%

Russia
Wins: 3 1.7%
Draws: 66 36.7%
2Way: 0 0.0%
3Way: 25 13.9%
4Way: 26 14.4%
5Way: 10 5.6%
6Way: 4 2.2%
7Way: 1 0.6%
Losses: 111 61.7%

Turkey
Wins: 7 3.9%
Draws: 71 39.4%
2Way: 1 0.6%
3Way: 39 21.7%
4Way: 16 8.9%
5Way: 11 6.1%
6Way: 3 1.7%
7Way: 1 0.6%
Losses: 102 56.7%

Global
Total: 180
Wins: 41 22.8%
Draws: 139 77.2%
2Way: 7 3.9%
3Way: 76 42.2%
4Way: 37 20.6%
5Way: 14 7.8%
6Way: 4 2.2%
7Way: 1 0.6%
yebellz (729 D(G))
30 Aug 11 UTC
Whoops, I forgot the remove the gunboat games of the World Cup 2010 from the tally. Interestingly, 6 of the 8 gunboat games in that multi-discipline tournament ended with solos.
yebellz (729 D(G))
30 Aug 11 UTC
Ok, here are the stats with those eight games removed:

Austria
Wins: 5 2.9%
Draws: 64 37.2%
2Way: 1 0.6%
3Way: 29 16.9%
4Way: 22 12.8%
5Way: 8 4.7%
6Way: 3 1.7%
7Way: 1 0.6%
Losses: 103 59.9%

England
Wins: 6 3.5%
Draws: 70 40.7%
2Way: 2 1.2%
3Way: 35 20.3%
4Way: 20 11.6%
5Way: 8 4.7%
6Way: 4 2.3%
7Way: 1 0.6%
Losses: 96 55.8%

France
Wins: 6 3.5%
Draws: 82 47.7%
2Way: 4 2.3%
3Way: 37 21.5%
4Way: 25 14.5%
5Way: 11 6.4%
6Way: 4 2.3%
7Way: 1 0.6%
Losses: 84 48.8%

Germany
Wins: 5 2.9%
Draws: 78 45.3%
2Way: 5 2.9%
3Way: 38 22.1%
4Way: 20 11.6%
5Way: 12 7.0%
6Way: 2 1.2%
7Way: 1 0.6%
Losses: 89 51.7%

Italy
Wins: 4 2.3%
Draws: 55 32.0%
2Way: 1 0.6%
3Way: 20 11.6%
4Way: 19 11.0%
5Way: 10 5.8%
6Way: 4 2.3%
7Way: 1 0.6%
Losses: 113 65.7%

Russia
Wins: 3 1.7%
Draws: 66 38.4%
2Way: 0 0.0%
3Way: 25 14.5%
4Way: 26 15.1%
5Way: 10 5.8%
6Way: 4 2.3%
7Way: 1 0.6%
Losses: 103 59.9%

Turkey
Wins: 6 3.5%
Draws: 70 40.7%
2Way: 1 0.6%
3Way: 38 22.1%
4Way: 16 9.3%
5Way: 11 6.4%
6Way: 3 1.7%
7Way: 1 0.6%
Losses: 96 55.8%

Global
Total: 172
Wins: 35 20.3%
Draws: 137 79.7%
2Way: 7 4.1%
3Way: 74 43.0%
4Way: 37 21.5%
5Way: 14 8.1%
6Way: 4 2.3%
7Way: 1 0.6%
yebellz (729 D(G))
30 Aug 11 UTC
By the way, I wouldn't read too much into these stats or any of the stats that I have posted, for several reasons:

1) This is a rather small sample set. 281 games isn't really that much to base anything on, especially considering that there are no more than 15 wins per country.
2) There is not really that much to assure quality play. Sure, it's the leagues/tournaments, but the entry criterion is quite varied and still there is some impact from CDs/NMRs
3) The various competition formats biases play. For example, the leagues are affected by meta-gaming; there's no incentive to reduce the size of the draw in the masters; and the GFDT was PPSC while others were WTA.

Also, I am disinclined to believe that there is a "best-country". I think that a particular player might have a *personal* best country(ies), which would be largely dependent on personal style and strategic mindset, but still quite possibly be any of the 7 powers. I do certainly think that there may be a bias in the "personal best country" across this website. Thus, any statistics comparing performance between countries may just be measuring this bias and not necessarily any inherent bias in the game.

While the game is asymmetric, ideal strategic players should compensate for these asymmetries. In practice, the success or failure of a particular country is due to a complex combination of these asymmetries with the strategic mindsets and playing styles of the players involved. Any bias in the performance of a particular country may have more to do with a bias in the personal styles of the community of players. The game does not leave any county as doomed to fail or destined to win.

In short, I don't think these statistics measure the game, but rather the community.

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undercover (919 D)
31 Aug 11 UTC
iPhone crashing
The dropdown for "via land/via convoy" seems to be crashing safari on my iPhone. Anyone else having this problem? Was fine until today.
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