the game's over. whats the rationale for not allowing posts?

yet another rosik guy :)

1) It's against the rules
2) It tarnishes a person's reputation even if they're found to be innocent.

Please let this thread die.

russia joined in 1902 as his first game. who does that?
who for that matter plays a 45 point gunboat as their first game? (austria, who at one point moved out of naples to apulia to let turkey slide in without support)

anyway, i geeve about the points and about forum denunciations, but it just sucks cuz there are other gunboats going on tonight and since Azogar is still online, i am worried that they will be similarly afflicted

Azogar: what does rosik mean?
if you were playing clean, well done. your anticipation of others' moves was uncanny! never seen anything like it; its amazing--almost like you knew what the other powers were about to order. congrats.

i have found "gnav" as traslation of "rosik", like a squirrel.

i anticipate your moves too... simply i'm am an experienced player and without russia is easy to win for turkey.

now i'm going to bed, so you can join other games without being scared :)

solid chirp.

http://pitchfork.com/news/38731-video-freddie-gibbs-the-ghetto/

@abgemacht: I don't give a damn about Azogar's good name anymore. He's been convicted multiple times of multing, and a simple browse through his profile shows a number more that that the mods missed. This is now the THIRD thread dedicated to his cheating.

That being said, Frank, the proper etiquette is to e-mail the mods. Although I'm pretty sure they've gotten about 20 e-mails about this guy.

Also, this is a pattern of Azogar's. He plays a live anon gunboat, and when someone CD's, he creates an account to take them over, and then uses it to win the game. He's done that a number of times, and it's obvious.

Also, it's not really against the rules. There aren't rules for the forums - only etiquette.

Oh yeah, and Russia's account was created almost at exactly the time Russia would have gone CD, if I pieced the timeline together. At most, it was 10 minutes or so before.

@rlumley - http://webdiplomacy.net/rules.php

Since when figle? :-P

I'd never seen that before, and I'll also point out that I never checked any box that said I agreed to it. Not that I have an objection, but I'm just saying.

Also, I don't think they qualify as rules if you don't enforce them. You all don't even have the power to delete threads (you should) and I've never heard of anyone getting banned over posting an accusation in the forums. Just told to do it via e-mail.

Also, you should reply to my argument in the other thread figle. :-P

the new russia attacked (and not helped) me.

rlumley check the game before talk about stupidities.

i also hope moderators ban you because of your repeated, false and malicious accusation against me in this forum.

Well, this is the third time I see a thread dedicated to this same guy, and the third time that is pretty obvious that he is cheating (at least to me).
So, even knowing that the correct way is sendind a email to the mods, it will be really good for everybody if the mods could let a word about it, at least to say "no, you are all insane and this guy is just the smartest and luckiest bastard around".

You know, i've heard that rosik thing before, when an account which has since been banned from multi-ing was gloating a win. Unusual coincidence.

On the other hand, there have been three threads accusing Azogar, and - according to rlumley - repeated emails of complaint, and yet he has not been banned. Maybe this means that he has been investigated by the mods, and found not guilty?

Azogar: In order to lay this to rest once and for all, would you be willing to agree to a Moderator posting, on here, to confirm whether or not you have been investigated and found innocent?

yes, i agree. moderators can post these results.

@Frank: It's pretty much an aside, but one thing you cite is that a player joined a game in 1902 as his first game, and you thought this odd. My very first game was, I think, taking over a CD France which was all-but-dead. I, for one, wanted to get used to the game and the website before I played a game from the start, as it would have bothered me less to make a mistake that cost me that game than one which I'd played all the way through.

As I say: a bit of a side-point, but in answer to your 'who does that?': I did.

It is reassuring to note that the mods do not ban people at the drop of a hat. The circumstantial evidence against Azogar would have had him removed from many similar sites. Is there another player on the site who can match his statistic of having a quarter of his games involve a player who is subsequently banned? I would hate it if this extreme bad luck would detract from his many glorious victories, such as his heroic triumph in the "noobs only-11" game a couple of months ago.

@jamie: Except that he has been docked points on numerous occasions, and the Mods have confirmed that he is a cheater. I'll just quote Dingle's post in another thread:

"Hmmm... Azogar, the one thread noted above clearly states that the mods took points away from you.

The moderator stated in thread http://www.webdiplomacy.net/forum.php?viewthread=565408#565408

'Points won by Azogar in shared games with them will be removed'."

We now appear to have three, no, four threads on the forum devoted to Azogar. This is not healthy for the site. We need urgent mod intervention, one way or the other.

Mods, your turn:

Fair point, exonian. but this was also a live 45-pt buy in gunboat on a friday night. not really a typical entrance.

Also, Azogar, the new russia didn't really attack you...sure, he retreated to Armenia but then decided to sit there and not attack Ankara or support back himself into Sevastapol. you somehow predicted this and didn't bother covering ankara, or support holding sevastapol. this was all in 1902, if anyone cares

in any event, your more blatant multi was Austria. though he could have just been an awful player...we will see if he joins any more games.

also the most interesting part of this is that everyone keeps saying only weak players would try and cheat. but azogar clearly isnt a weak player. even when the multis arent there, he is clearly still a very skilled dipcy players. that just makes the whole thing weirder.

I don't see any evidence of cheating from that game.

Are you talking about the game the OP referenced? There may not be IP evidence (Not exactly hard to avoid), but I think given that Azogar has taken over CD's in live games before to his benefit, we should be especially wary.

And I think Russia's lack of move to Ankara is evidence. Probably not enough to convict, but some evidence, nontheless.

Russia played Armenia S H Sevastopol, which I read as a mis-order from a new player trying to support the move from Moscow. He then went CD.

The best bit of evidence against it though is that I have found out who both the people are, and one is in Europe, the other in America, and there is no reason to suppose that they know who each other are.

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Actually you don't really even need the link to get to thread... it's at the bottom of the page. Title:

DO NOT POST CHEATING ACCUSATIONS IN THE FORUM.