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jmo1121109 (3812 D)
27 Mar 14 UTC
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Mod Team Update
We have added y2kjbk as a Tournament Mod for the duration of the gunboat tournament. He will be assisting only with the Gunboat tournament issues for now, though may join the team after the tournament is done. Thank you y2kjbk for volunteering more of your time to help out with the tournament.
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ERAUfan97 (549 D)
26 Mar 14 UTC
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Ahhh Yoda.......
Afraid of seven, why was five?
Because six, seven eight (ate)

whoever came up with the way yoda talked was definitely on something.
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abgemacht (1076 D(G))
26 Mar 14 UTC
The Religious Implications of Mathematics
An interesting excerpt about how different religious orders influenced the beginnings of integral calculus.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-secret-spiritual-history-of-calculus/
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
23 Mar 14 UTC
So..."Young Adult" Book Series...Why Must They Suck? (And Do They?)
http://movies.yahoo.com/news/teen-sci-fi-franchise-divergent-debuts-56m-160401665.html 1. Three chapters in, that book is (while better-written than Twilight) so face-palming stupid in its plot, premise and execution, I flung up my hands and gave into reading the (even worse) synopsis. 2. Twilight, The Hunger Games, The Mortal Instruments, now Divergent...why? Why must "YA novels" (and I hate that term, but anyway) suck (THG being the best of that bad lot)...or do they suck? Any defenders?
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thibaud1 (176 D)
25 Mar 14 UTC
Button Locations
Could we get the save and ready buttons further apart? Sometimes I have to use my phone to enter orders, and it's irritating how easy it is to accidentally hit ready.
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dr. octagonapus (210 D)
26 Mar 14 UTC
Phone app...
I don't know much about programming but would an app for web dip be possible? or would it be just as irritating and small as just using ones phone browser
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krellin (80 DX)
25 Mar 14 UTC
"Russia is weak" says Coward Obama
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2014/03/obama-says-russia-is-regional-power-not-americas-top-geopolitical-foe/

Yeah...let's hope that China isn't so weak that they decide to take Taiwan once and for all, since the *weaker still* US leadership will do jack squat nothing to protect their ally...
What a fucking idiot. I hope Putin takes ALL of the Ukraine now! Asshole Obama...
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nfowler562 (100 D)
26 Mar 14 UTC
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Ancient Med
Looking for players. Everything standard 24 hour.
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StraT^ (350 D)
22 Mar 14 UTC
What if Sweden had two coasts in Diplomacy?
Or, alternatively, what if Bulgaria had one coast?
What if we had a rule that navigable land provinces always split their neighbor's coastlines in two? What if we did the opposite and only split them when a full land province interrupted the coastline?
I'm not asking if it's right or wrong to do so (obviously the split coasts are there for realism). I'm asking, what would happen to Diplomacy if we did any of these things?
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Shapiro-Stiglitz, involuntary unemployment
Hi guys, I thought the forum could be put to productive use and share with me all it knows about the Shapiro-Stiglitz model, its prediction of involuntary unemployment, and then also (either with respect to the model or in general), what will the effect of a fall of real unemployment benefits be on involuntary unemployment.
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y2kjbk (4846 D(G))
24 Mar 14 UTC
World gunboat game
gameID=138641
36 hour phases, reasonable 30 point bet, message me for the password
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abgemacht (1076 D(G))
25 Mar 14 UTC
Upcoming Diplomacy Events
Inside you'll find a list of upcoming Diplomacy events. Please feel free to add your own.

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SYnapse (0 DX)
17 Mar 14 UTC
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Climbing Ben Nevis
Due to do this on the 21st. Has anyone experience of climbing mountains here? Temperatures set to be about -8 with a windchill feel of -20, thick snow and fog.
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Draugnar (0 DX)
17 Mar 14 UTC
I believe Bosox is our experienced mountaineer.
Draugnar (0 DX)
17 Mar 14 UTC
And Ben Nevis is a hill. For Christ's sake it isn't even 5,000' tall.
Draugnar (0 DX)
17 Mar 14 UTC
And yes, I know anything over 2,000 feet (600 meters). Meh.
SYnapse (0 DX)
17 Mar 14 UTC
Sorry Draugnar, but it's really my first step into mountaineering. I've climbed "hills" like Scafell Pike, but consider the snow levels and just look on google images. At this time of year it looks like the Alps around there. In fact some Nevis climbs are more dangerous than some alpine climbs.

Anyway, I admit that it isn't exactly Everest, but seems challenging for me.
steephie22 (182 D(S))
17 Mar 14 UTC
Don't forget your coat.
Octavious (2701 D)
17 Mar 14 UTC
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What sort of climbing are we talking about here? Do you intend to do the tricky stuff and pretend you're on the mountains you get in foreign parts, or are you thinking of the footpath? If the latter I suggest a good pair of shoes and a packed lunch with 3 or 4 drinks... possibly a tartan picnic blanket as the ground tends to get quite damp or chilly.
Octavious (2701 D)
17 Mar 14 UTC
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@ Draug

You can only climb what's in front of you
Draugnar (0 DX)
17 Mar 14 UTC
I'm just giving you shit considering what you named that game. You doing the pony trail? Or something more challenging?
steephie22 (182 D(S))
17 Mar 14 UTC
"@ Draug

You can only climb what's in front of you"

Actually, some things can best be climbed by keeping them behind you.
Draugnar (0 DX)
17 Mar 14 UTC
@Oct - I know, I climb my couches, recliners, daybed, and bed all the time. In nice weather, I climb the 20 foot hill called my yard on a lawnmower and sometimes climb ladders working on the house.
Octavious (2701 D)
17 Mar 14 UTC
@ steephie

You're doing it wrong
Octavious (2701 D)
17 Mar 14 UTC
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@ Draug

And noble endeavours they be.
Draugnar (0 DX)
17 Mar 14 UTC
@Oct - not if you're a paraplegic and climbing into a wheel chair. You do that climb backwards.
Octavious (2701 D)
17 Mar 14 UTC
@ Draug

You've got me there. If steephie is a paraplegic and climbing into a wheel chair backwards I take my hat off to his superior judgement and nouse
2ndWhiteLine (2596 D(B))
17 Mar 14 UTC
From the Wikipedia page:

"Thanks to the zig-zags, the path is not unusually steep apart from in the initial stages, but inexperienced walkers should be aware that the descent is relatively arduous and wearing on the knees."

At least call this what it is - a strenuous walk.
Draugnar (0 DX)
17 Mar 14 UTC
Bu the way, climbing my yard is a pretty noble endeavor for someone in my lack of shape (not in the lawn tractor obviously). It has a 1:8 front yard climb of 80' (10' climb), then levels out for 80 feet, then has a 6' climb that varies from side to side of either at 1:1 (damn near impossible and I don't mow that or the tractor might roll over) to 1:3 (tractor gets up some real speed on the down yard cuts), then the last 80+ feet (the yard is 24,988 square feet, .6 acres) the yard rises another 4 feet. But with no trails, lots of rabbit holes and hidden ruts, and the current muddy land (have to have chains on to take on the back 80 right now and still likely to get stuck), you don't want to hike it if your a fat old tub of lard like me.
SYnapse (0 DX)
17 Mar 14 UTC
I'm doing it via the Carn Morn Dearg? Arete. And those making fun of the "pony/tourist" route - in June it is a much different beast to that of February/March. The corniced snow, low visibility and avalanche risks make it a lot different in winter than in summer.
SYnapse (0 DX)
17 Mar 14 UTC
"a packed lunch with 3 or 4 drinks... possibly a tartan picnic blanket as the ground tends to get quite damp or chilly."

Google Ben Nevis March and you'll see what I'm getting myself into.
Draugnar (0 DX)
17 Mar 14 UTC
But you are doing this on the first day of spring. That hardly compares to February, even on that bitterly cold and dreary island the Brits (be they Scots, English, Welsh, or whatever) call home.
Draugnar (0 DX)
17 Mar 14 UTC
@Sy - Do you need climbing equipment? Or just hiking gear? If the former, you are climbing. If the later, you are hiking up the side. And if you don't even need hiking boots, you are taking a brisk walk.
2ndWhiteLine (2596 D(B))
17 Mar 14 UTC
I know it can get drizzly in early spring so a light raincoat is advised. Maybe a pair of wool socks under your Wellies. Make sure you check in on Facebook once you get to the top.
Draugnar (0 DX)
17 Mar 14 UTC
http://www.walkhighlands.co.uk/fortwilliam/carnmordeargarete.shtml

"For experienced, fit walkers who do not mind easy scrambling but are not climbers, this is the finest way to climb Ben Nevis. This is a truly spectacular route incorporating two Munros. It will live long in the memory and does true justice to the mountain."

It's not a climb, It's a walk, maybe a hike.
SYnapse (0 DX)
17 Mar 14 UTC
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/87/Carn_Mor_Dearg_arete.jpg

This is what it looks like in March
2ndWhiteLine (2596 D(B))
17 Mar 14 UTC
http://www.visit-fortwilliam.co.uk/the-ben-nevis-webcam-fort-william-scotland

Looks pretty foggy today, but that will probably break when the sun comes out later.
SYnapse (0 DX)
17 Mar 14 UTC
anyway I know I'm not a pro climber, just asking for advice as my experience is limited to the kind of hill walks you guys are describing, and this seems to me to be the next experience level
Octavious (2701 D)
17 Mar 14 UTC
Like I say, plenty of drinks and good shoes if you're doing the path. Try not to over do it, and enjoy yourself. Also, consider another time of year when the view's better (well, a better chance of being better) as that's a good motivator.

Don't waste time playing with any of the mountaineering lark as you can do that more enjoyably on cliffs closer to sea level (Cheddar Gorge is quite fun for that sort of thing). If you like it, think about the 3 peaks challange at some point.

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bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
17 Mar 14 UTC
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@Draug ... yeah, it's a hill, but some people are out of breath when they walk up the stairs. Average people don't do it.

@SYnapse ... if the climb is 9+ hours (which I imagine it is, but I'm guessing), you're going to want two packed meals and plenty of small packaged food, specifically food that you don't mind eating frozen (because everything will be frozen). You should also pack plenty of sugars and carbs, especially if it's foggy, because you won't have any views to keep your energy up. Once you're above tree line, you probably won't be able to see the step in front of you.

I just looked at the peak on Google Maps and it looks like a pretty steep hillclimb. If there's thick snow, you're going to need a 3500-pack at least, because you're going to want to pack a lot of layers. If it were me, I'd wear something as a base underneath out of the house/hotel/etc in the morning and throw on a fleece on top as a second layer. You're going to want to pack your third and fourth layer, and potentially a fifth layer (if you do, make it a puffy jacket). For your third, another thickish fleece is fine, and for a fourth, you'll want a windbreaker of some kind. That'll essentially cancel out the windchill on your torso. The fifth layer wouldn't be useful until you're above tree line, so if you don't go that high, don't worry about packing one. If you do, it's a good precaution to take.

No matter what mountain you are climbing, you want to bring a headlamp (battery is fine) as well as a spare something-or-other, be it a household flashlight or another headlamp. Obviously you don't want to bring anything that uses oil, because it'll freeze and you'll be screwed if it gets dark. In an ideal world, you won't need it, but if you do manage to stray off the path or get trapped (don't let your ego get in the way here), it's the one thing that'll keep you alive in an overnight storm.

If you aren't going with a guide, go with someone that's got a bit of climbing experience. From what I'm reading now, going off the path at higher elevation leads to some pretty dangerous terrain (particularly a cliff face, which, even if you don't walk off the side, will give you the biggest heart attack you'll ever have). Bring winter crampons, not regular mud crampons - 12 spike would be best - and if you don't have some, rent some; they aren't worth the price for one trip. Same goes for mountaineering boots - best to rent unless you become a regular climber. Check the sole on your boots before you wear them out, because a flexible sole isn't sturdy enough for winter use; you want it to be quite stiff. Most people add one to their shoe size (e.g. I wear 12.5 men's shoes and I wear 13 boots loosened up a bit - check sizes in the UK; I don't know if they are different).

You will need an ice axe, and no, trekking poles or ski poles don't substitute. You can rent this as well, and I imagine there are good places within the park boundaries, but you'll find them cheaper if you get them further away. They'll help you out with the shaft height, but as a baseline, I'm 5'10" (70 inches, ~180 cm I think) and I carry a 55"/140 cm. You can also have an ice tool if you'd like, but it's not necessary, so if you can't get one free, don't.

If you don't have some of the gear, it's not like you are putting yourself at grave risk, but the boots, crampons, and ice axe are an absolute must no matter what. The company or group you go with might want you to have a helmet, but that's up to you. You would be well served to find a local hill (doesn't have to be tall, just something relatively steep) and test out your gear, particularly your crampons and boots, because it is really weird to walk in them for the first time. If you can't find time to do this, at least try to get a feel for them before you go on the climb, and learn how to get them on and off without sitting for too long (because it gets really cold really quickly when you sit). Learn to walk with your ice axe (adze forwards, pick backwards, always in your uphill hand - you'll see what that means then when others do it) and, if absolutely nothing else, learn to self arrest (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyRF6AjAI94&feature=player_embedded). You probably won't need to do this, but if you do, you'll be glad you can do it the right way.

Know how to navigate, even if you aren't leading your group. A GPS tracker can freeze or get blocked by nearby cliffs and hills, and either way, it won't substitute for basic navigation skills. You probably won't have to worry about avalanches, but upon googling "Ben Nevis," one of the first news stories was about a climber injured in an avalanche last week, so be aware of the risk levels before you go, even if you aren't the group leader. A good page to check out - http://www.walkhighlands.co.uk/safety/avalanche-safety.shtml.

In regards to your pants, you don't necessarily have to wear something tight to your skin, but you should have a similar base layer to your top and snow pants on the bottom. If they are baggy, PACK DUCK TAPE. You will snag your crampons on your pants at some point, and they will tear. Everyone does this, no matter how experienced. If you happen to tear a big enough gash, it can be dangerous to you or other people walking near you.

In general, always stay with the group, and never leave anyone alone. If you plan on going alone, get rid of that plan right now and find someone to go along with, preferably someone that's better than you. Don't outrun your group, and if they are going too fast for you, don't be afraid to speak up.

You might be able to get away with exposed skin on your face, assuming the temperatures don't plunge, but I'd be prepared with a facemask and balaclava just in case. Wear a warm winter hat (you've probably got one of those already) and have ski goggles in your pack, again, just in case. You might benefit from having gaiters for your ankles too.

I know all of this sounds like overkill, but if you're resourceful, you can borrow or rent a lot of this stuff. Any regular climber knows you'd rather have too much than too little.

One practice that I started doing after the Great Mt. Thor Fall of 2012 (painful memories) is leaving a note with a concierge if you're staying in a hotel or some other person that knows the group. List the time you are departing, the amount of time you expect to spend on the mountain, and the route you're taking up. If you don't leave it with the hotel, also list where you are staying. If you do this, ****be sure to tell them when you arrive****. If not, you'll probably be paying for a rescue attempt, and you probably won't be climbing in the UK again.

I just listed a ton of stuff, most of which you probably already know if you're well prepared (or your group leader knows, same idea). Much of it will end up proving irrelevant, and hopefully you won't need to heed any safety advice at all, but mountains deserve your respect, even if they aren't all that tall. There is significant danger on each one of them, particularly in winter, and you have to be ready to go. I like to compare it to texting and driving - you'll get away with it 7,374,000,000 times, but it only takes once. Some mountain someday is going to be having a bad day and decide to send an avalanche your way, or it'll decide to pull a prank on you and hide the edge of the ridge behind a cloud of fog, and you would be wise to be prepared if one of these things were to happen. You're also highly unlikely to get something like frostbite, but I've had it before, and it's definitely something you want to make all efforts to avoid.

Otherwise, enjoy it, and enjoy every aspect of it, not just the summit, because if it's foggy and cold, the summit won't be much. Enjoy the scenery when you can, take in the snow-covered trees, walk next to the frozen-over river and hear the water moving underneath, take in the air, or just enjoy the company of your companions, whatever you've gotta do. If you don't enjoy it, don't do it again, or only do it in the warmth or whatever. Just take all precautions and warnings seriously.
SYnapse (0 DX)
17 Mar 14 UTC
Thanks bo
bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
17 Mar 14 UTC
Oh yeah, I completely forgot - take at least 64 ounces of water. It'll make the pack a little heavy at first but it'll be lighter as you add layers and use up resources.
Octavious (2701 D)
17 Mar 14 UTC
For those of you as baffled by 64 ounces of water as I was, it translates to 3&1/3 pints (or just under 2 litres if you're that way inclined)

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ILN (100 D)
24 Mar 14 UTC
Ottomanism growing
To hell with originality, why bother when you can just add a new layer of yellow paint over intricate paintings, and call it a mosque.
http://greekcurrent.com/religion-in-turkey-erasing-the-christian-past/
http://hellenicleaders.com/blog/stand-up-for-hagia-sophia/#.Uoy7cWSQeW0
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Sylvania (4104 D)
25 Mar 14 UTC
Goodbye and thanks for the fish!
What's the deal with this never-ending paused game?
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ssorenn (0 DX)
25 Mar 14 UTC
17/17
thoughts on the even split. Not WTA
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Fasces349 (0 DX)
21 Mar 14 UTC
Transdniester region of Moldova wants to join Russia as well
Following the annexation of Crimea, some people in the Trans-Dniester region, who broke-away from Moldova in 1992 but haven't received much international recognition since then, are requesting to join Russia. Does anyone else find this hilarious?

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26627236
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Andrew Wiggin (157 D)
24 Mar 14 UTC
A Very Broad Question - Conflict styles
The other night, our prof sent us a bonus mark homework question. It asks which of the 5 conflict management styles suit the topic the best. This doesn't sound very hard but he was Very vague in his post. The question was "apply a conflict management style to social and one to political." which seems broad. Any suggestions or shoves in the right direction?
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tvrocks (388 D)
24 Mar 14 UTC
Rts games for iPod.
I'm looking for some and want to know it there are any.
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bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
25 Mar 14 UTC
Paper Microscope
Now this is cool - http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/this-could-be-big-abc-news/super-cheap-paper-microscope-could-save-millions-lives-133616732.html?vp=1

Is this as big as the article suggests or could a post-patent profiteering mission make it obsolete?
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
24 Mar 14 UTC
Best Punchline Wins
http://www.amazon.com/Ted-Cruz-Future-Coloring-Activity/dp/1619530953/ref=sr_1_1?tag=wowowo-20

Go. :)
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dropshot (100 D)
24 Mar 14 UTC
Seeking Replacement for Russian Player - Diplomacy 108-2
Diplomats,

Our Russian player has gone MIA (busy invading Crimea, no doubt). Would someone be ready to take on the challenge?
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Ienpw_III (117 D)
24 Mar 14 UTC
Gunboat tourney for experienced players?
Is anyone interested in a 7-game gunboat tournament (one game as each power)? Players would ideally have a number of games under their belts, preferably a few wins or at least draws.
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mapleleaf (0 DX)
24 Mar 14 UTC
One strategy of Gunboat is impossible due to the set-up.
To follow.
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steephie22 (182 D(S))
23 Mar 14 UTC
Europa Universalis IV: which factions are good?
We talked about this a long while ago, and I want to know if people found any good factions. That's the one problem I have with EU4: I love the mechanics, but I can't find a faction to interest me long enough.
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Draugnar (0 DX)
24 Mar 14 UTC
For those who think Draug sucks at gunboat...
...and every one of his games ends with someone pissed at him...

http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=136165
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Kareem (100 D)
24 Mar 14 UTC
What do you think about the Front national?
So, my dear fellow Europeans, and Americans, if you know, I dont know how well the American society is informed about national European politics, yesterday were local elections in France. It seems like the Front national has become the third strongest power after the Conservatives and the Socialists. Here in Germany, the Fn is referred to by the media as national and and right-wing extremist.
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stupidfighter (253 D)
24 Mar 14 UTC
A quick rules clarification
Just skimmed the rulebook, and was unable to quickly figure the answer.
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Micah-El (233 D)
24 Mar 14 UTC
Pssssssttt...
NEW GAME....http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=138576....Modern Diplomacy game, 10 hour turns, beginning Tuesday March 25. 10 point bet. Anonymous players. Full press. Still need 6 players..JOIN US....leave your fields to flower.....JOIN US...leave your cheese to sour..JOIN US...come and waste several days!!
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ssorenn (0 DX)
23 Mar 14 UTC
Being that guy!!!!
In a PPSC game, when it comes down to ,two countries against one, is there any reason to stick it to you ally if you think you can solo. The solo would come at your allies expense. Or, is that just being to much of a dick?
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