Alot easier said than done.

So why not? I'm not ever getting payed unless someone borrows money from me (it happened so much so now I ask 10% interest after a few free times so not the entire school borrows money from me on a daily basis, everybody happy :P) and pays it back. My question remains: why can't you work or get paid tomorrow?

The American government shut itself down, steephie.

We should all rally around Article V of the Constitution and fire every one of those damn idiots in Washington that forced this country into its current clusterfuck state this past decade or two.

Two decaders agao it was Bill Clinton in his first term. We have had 12 of the last 20 years under Democrats. What does this tell us?

But surely this is the best constitution in the world and shouldn't be changed because it was written by clever people...

Just for completeness the UK's unwritten constitution has yet to result in a government shutdown. Just saying.

And the UK is still run by people who think God gives them the right to rule others (House of Lords - Are they elected at all?)

The House of Lords is not elected and almost everyone agrees that the House of Lords needs reforming, but no one agrees on a method. That said the House of Lords doesn't have any real power apart from scrutiny and delay. They are not allowed to prevent finance bills and can't delay any legislation indefinitely. The system is far from perfect, but it doesn't result in a shutdown every few years.

It tells us republicans as the minority party use the budget and potential government shutdoenas a weapon for political gain. We all know this.

Just to be pedantic - the hereditary peers that sit in the House of Lords were 'elected'. The only people who could stand for election were the hereditary peers themselves and the only voters were all the hereditary peers present at the time. This reduced the hereditary peers from many hundreds to 99 from memory. The House of Lords is now made up of those hereditary peers, members reserved for the clergy and appointed peers.

"But surely this is the best constitution in the world', get your head out of your ass, Maniac.

I hope the Republicans throw compromise out the window and keep this shutdown going as long as possible. It's time to stop spending. Now. Don't restart the government until the Senate and Obama approve a budget that gives us a surplus by next year. We have to default at some point; I say we all take it up the ass and get it over with now.

I hope they do too gunfighter. A democratic house senate presidency and liberal justices for the next 12 years sounds nice

I don't think the time is right for that Gunfighter. The public isn't ready to put the blame where it belongs, or to learn the lessons it needs to learn.

Republicans can't win this, in the court of public opinion. I think the shutdown is a stupid tactic.

What! The time is not right!? Are you telling me canceling the paycheck of 2.1 million Americans indefinitely, and shutting down services others need in order to make political gains is in bad taste!? Are you telling me that trying to take the country hostage because you are unable to push your agenda through elections and voters is in bad taste!? Seriously!?

You radical!!!

And the shutdown is a stupid tactic.

That's why stupid people like gunfighter love it!

To hell with repealing Obamacare; that monstrosity will go tits-up on its own.

I'm talking about stopping this insane amount of spending. Whether the public is ready or not, it's time to MAN UP, default on our debt, and begin our rise from the ashes of reckless spending.

I rather liked the Lords when before the reform. Having people born to their position produced a huge variety of personalities that you just don't get in politics anymore. I would be genuinely in favour of choosing part of the Lords purely by lottery to replicate it.

@Draug ... 12 out of 20 isn't all that great of a majority, Draug. That argument is shit anyway, you know that, I don't have to explain. And the eight Republican years were just *great* right?

@Santa, Draug ... It's *EVERYONE* - both Democrats and Republicans - that caused this. You're both smarter than passing the blame off to one side. The Republicans aren't being too friendly right now but the Democrats aren't compromising and are making the excuse that they "tried it already" and it didn't work - bull fucking shit. Politics won't work in this country if it's ruled by one party, and right now both parties are working to rule alone. They need to give and take if they are going to make it work.

@GunF ... take it up the ass? You are welcome to take it up the ass. I on the other hand will shove it further up your ass for being so fucking stupid.

Botox- why the fuck would the democrats compromise? This is not a vote on healthcare this is a fucking bill to fund the government. The last election democrats won the presidency and gained seats in both houses. WHY WOULD THEY COMPROMISE. Because the republicans decided to use people's livelihood as a bargaining chip when they couldn't overturn it using the democratic process? This is not "both sides" this is a party held hostage by its minority in turn holding the nation hostage.

" I'm talking about stopping this insane amount of spending. Whether the public is ready or not, it's time to MAN UP, default on our debt, and begin our rise from the ashes of reckless spending."

Then win an election shit for brains, you know, like its supposed to work.

They compromise because that's part of politics - not everyone agrees with everyone. We don't hold hands. There has to be give and take in order to succeed. It doesn't even matter who is right and who is wrong because the people who are wrong still think they are right and the people who are wrong will still have power, no matter how limited it may be.

Yes you compromise, you do not compromise when compromise involves a bill passed by congress signed by the president, and upheld by the Supreme Court being invalidated completely outside the intended legislative or judicial process.

"Then win an election shit for brains, you know, like its supposed to work."

Maybe that would be a possibility if the elections weren't rigged by the politicians and their corporate sugar daddies, aided and abetted by so-called "journalists". Really, do you think ANYONE who is currently in office would still be in office if the media did their fucking jobs and corporations didn't pour money everywhere?

You are an idiot if you think that the American people aren't brainwashed and distracted by outright lies from both sides. D or R doesn't matter, either way their corporate sponsors get their cut and the taxpayer gets boned.

Oh brainwashing. Got it. Good thing YOU know what is good for the country. Surprisingly it's also what's best for your particular socio-economic group! Isn't that a coincidence!

So just in case anyone didnt get gunfighters point. The republicans can't make changes because the American people don't want them. So what they should do is:

Step 1: hold the American government hostage until its forced to bow to their wishes
Step 2:
Step 3: Profit.

Don't you get it? I'm a libertarian! As in, the federal government and their corporate masters can go fuck themselves!

There's a reason why libertarians are few and far between. The media never permits libertarians to give their two cents. A small federal government is good for everyone except for the politicians and the corporations.

No, the Republicans should try to get rid of most of the government, not hold it hostage.

Great! Win a fucking election you fascist.

The media tends to let libertarians give their twenty bucks. People aren't buying it. Too bad, work on your outreach rather than blaming it on "the powers that be"