Mafia 47 - The Sixth Mass Extinction - GAME THREAD [HIDDEN]

[Foxcastle]

Voting Percy makes no sense

Why not?

[EspressoPatronum]

also absorber could be a fake claim option

and the scheme could be janitor holsters to get a fake clear

I propose we do a smokescreen Divine Presence reveal. Everyone who hasn't claimed posts their DP target

Nah, that gives valuable info to Mafia and none to town.

Mafia already knows if there's a Divine Presence or not, and if they have to claim something with a power and they know there's a DP they would like to know if they've been presenced or not.

1. A reveal gives immediate information to town and full information to mafia.

2. A smokescreen gives delayed information (ie. after the death of the real role) in exchange for incomplete information to mafia.

Choosing 1 or 2 doesn't change the fact that maf knows there is/not a DP, so that point is moot.

[damo666]

Voting Percy makes no sense

Why not?

It's a waste. Read my and Xorxes' recent posts.

[flash2015]

Voting Percy makes no sense

Why not?

His argument is that he believes he would be NK if he is town before N5. I don't think that is guaranteed.

[EspressoPatronum]

I'd rather just play the odds with a DP reveal + lynch the target.

[Percy Williams]

I was in a hood with him when he did that, and the information was akready outted to scum then.

The comparison is completely unfair

It was only outted to scum because you were scum

he also didnt out it to the public under pressure, he was just clueless on how he should use his abilities and was asking for advise

At first I was feeling out for what the doc should do, but then I became the lead wagon and despite there being no real pressure I thought I had to nip people's thoughts that I was scum in the bud. I couldn't garuntee I'd be back before Eod to be able to claim my role at the time. I did reveal that I was doc in the special phone chat, but didn't say I was Percy, and then ended up claiming the phone. If I hadn't claimed at that point the Mafia would surely have killed me without me thinking I needed protection, because the other Phone person was scum.

[Foxcastle]

Voting Percy makes no sense

Why not?

It's a waste. Read my and Xorxes' recent posts.

Ah. How about I vote for who I think is scum instead?

[xorxes]

I'd rather just play the odds with a DP reveal + lynch the target.

There's pros and cons, but yeah.

The DP could have targeted Vecna or Moscow for all we know, so we can't force a decision for them.

[damo666]

Why not?

It's a waste. Read my and Xorxes' recent posts.

Ah. How about I vote for who I think is scum instead?

Your second choice I assume. What a marvellous idea.

[xorxes]

It was only outted to scum because you were scum

he also didnt out it to the public under pressure, he was just clueless on how he should use his abilities and was asking for advise

At first I was feeling out for what the doc should do, but then I became the lead wagon and despite there being no real pressure I thought I had to nip people's thoughts that I was scum in the bud. I couldn't garuntee I'd be back before Eod to be able to claim my role at the time. I did reveal that I was doc in the special phone chat, but didn't say I was Percy, and then ended up claiming the phone. If I hadn't claimed at that point the Mafia would surely have killed me without me thinking I needed protection, because the other Phone person was scum.

Are you speaking to Vecna too?

[Percy Williams]

The animals woke up and stretched their limbs for another day of trying to save the world. As they gathered, though, they noticed an odd shape. A fossil was lying in the middle of where they were set to gather. There seemed to be some creatures crawling inside it at first, but they dispersed when everyone got close to see who this might have been. Someone in the crowd was heard to say “You see, I knew it was already extinct.”

VECNA has DIED. He was the GERROTHORAX, the TOWN JAILER

I know I'm several pages behind, but WOW, I was starting to think Vecna was scum. Did Vecna Crumb/claim somewhere? Or did scum decide to hit unconfirmed town and get lucky? And If they didn't get any indication Vecna was jailer, why did they choose to lynch him?

[xorxes]

Why not?

It's a waste. Read my and Xorxes' recent posts.

Ah. How about I vote for who I think is scum instead?

If your only scum candidate is someone that will most likely be sorted out by itself then there's a problem.

[damo666]

The animals woke up and stretched their limbs for another day of trying to save the world. As they gathered, though, they noticed an odd shape. A fossil was lying in the middle of where they were set to gather. There seemed to be some creatures crawling inside it at first, but they dispersed when everyone got close to see who this might have been. Someone in the crowd was heard to say “You see, I knew it was already extinct.”

VECNA has DIED. He was the GERROTHORAX, the TOWN JAILER

I know I'm several pages behind, but WOW, I was starting to think Vecna was scum. Did Vecna Crumb/claim somewhere? Or did scum decide to hit unconfirmed town and get lucky? And If they didn't get any indication Vecna was jailer, why did they choose to lynch him?

Not you too? What the hell is going on?

[Foxcastle]

It's a waste. Read my and Xorxes' recent posts.

Ah. How about I vote for who I think is scum instead?

If your only scum candidate is someone that will most likely be sorted out by itself then there's a problem.

I'm happy to do the sorting now, I guess. I'm glad that someone is paying attention to "optimal play" or whatever, but it's 44 hours to EOD so try not suck all the air out of the game with it.

[Percy Williams]

Yes could someone explain the Percy votes?

At least from my perspective, I think his claim came too early once he hit 4 votes. I don’t think he was ever going to be a legit leading wagon on D1.

I think it was a panicky noob scum move, not a panicky town move. Using the last time he claimed doctor, he did it randomly and early, but there was some discussion and hinting he dropped instead of just blurting it out. I do not see the same hints this game.

Also, look at the role itself, it is a valuable town role, but also a late game role. If I were town, I would never actually claim it until the very last second, or at least just go down with the ship instead of broadcasting it, because even if true you are dead to rights.

Factor in the list of roles scum were given, I am more willing to believe he selected a role that would ensure town keeps him around until D5 and a potential lynch target. It would also distract away the town protection coming on future nights to keep him alive.

I thought it was the last possible second . There's no way to prove this, and from your experienced mafia seats in the sky, it's clear that there wasn't any pressure, but I thought I was about to die. It's also precisely because it is a late game role that I didn't hint at it at all. By the time it gets close to time to use it the game is completely different, and mentioning it early just looks like PR hunting.

[flash2015]

The animals woke up and stretched their limbs for another day of trying to save the world. As they gathered, though, they noticed an odd shape. A fossil was lying in the middle of where they were set to gather. There seemed to be some creatures crawling inside it at first, but they dispersed when everyone got close to see who this might have been. Someone in the crowd was heard to say “You see, I knew it was already extinct.”

VECNA has DIED. He was the GERROTHORAX, the TOWN JAILER

I know I'm several pages behind, but WOW, I was starting to think Vecna was scum. Did Vecna Crumb/claim somewhere? Or did scum decide to hit unconfirmed town and get lucky? And If they didn't get any indication Vecna was jailer, why did they choose to lynch him?

Not you too? What the hell is going on?

https://www.inc.com/jessica-stillman/it ... -lazy.html

[foodcoats]

I'm not fully caught up on the ~5 pages or so since Vecna died, but:

Unless Vecna crumbed something about being jailer, I assume they were killed for being onto something with their reads. So, here is an iso of Vecna's scum reads.

(Vecna voted for, in order, Chaqa, damo, Percy and emc.)

Day 1
-->Scum reads Percy and Chaqa. Several instances of Vecna criticizing scummy Chaqa and Percy posts. Also gets critical of Vaporwave for defending Percy (turns around later on and says Vaporwave "looks better").

Also, my reason for thinking hes scum is because hes trying way too hard to sound towny. All these posts are coming off as fabrications by a person trying to say things that appear towny, putting in all the effort to come across like a hard working town-man. But the genuine thoughts are missing, this is not how a town being confused by stuff would come across. And percy as town has been sounding very confused every single time.

-->Is opposed to bozo's mass claim idea, thinking it benefits mostly scum:

would I think it helpfull to know exactly who to target for the roleblock, power thief and nightkill every night?

Why yes, I would, as scum.

Itd be absolutely trivial to only have to worry about lynches and completely remove the town benefit if all our roles with the knowledge of who has what.

Knowing who has what power allows scum to counter our powers exactly.

We wont have any tools to catch them in their lies.

The only benefits youve mentioned are that it "locks them in their claim". We achieve the same benefit if we just ignore roleclaims and lynch whoever is scummy.

Let scum worry about having to find our roles that can create clears and guilties and dodging our protectives. massclaim results in zero failed nightkills, zero help from prs.

and all because youre afraid of people claiming a role last minute? just ignore it and lynch them.

If scum wanna claim fake results, let them. Well deal with it on a case per case basis and analyze people their reactions to it like we always do.

This plan has very little benefits that cant be gained otherwise, and the downsides to town are enormous. It effectively transforms us all into vt's - some with negative utility.

-->Calls xorxes shallow; later says says xorxes is not playing a bosslady and is just sliding by
-->Is critical of damo and rdrivera for not making many posts; theme repeats on several occasions re: damo
-->Recommends vig shooting dargorygel or Percy
-->Scumreads Jamie for the approach to the MF wagon

Jamiet is also a scumread of mine. His tone and early inquisition against MF all felt very forced.

Noone else feeling this?

-->Vecna's reads towards the end of D1:

darg, percy, emc, jamiet

these all feel like pretty alright wagons to me. bet im forgetting someone but thats ok

-->Opposes bo trying to establish an rdr wagon
-->Scumreads bo for the rdr push

also Bo, putting that pressure there was really fucking retarded, I hope you know that.

townread gone

-->Calls for a Percy wagon again or a Jamie wagon towards the very end of the day

Night 1
-->Reads at beginning of N1:

percy, jamiet, xorxes, damo, emc

at least 3 scum there

-->Additionally skeptical of xorxes' logic:

percy, jamiet, xorxes, damo, emc

at least 3 scum there

If you're still suspecting Percy after his claim that only confirms my hunch that you're scum.

damo also made some pretty specific claims that suggest he is town, and in any case should not be lynched in the near future.

I haven't seen anything from emc to change my scumlean on him, and Jamiet is a null for now.

the fact you keep making dreadfull posts like this only further confirms we did not get town leader xorxes.

How does percy making a weakass claim when he was under no direct pressure make him town? Town would be indignant if they were a strong pr and got wrongly scumread. This was just scum survival. The fact jamiet freaked out just fits in a world where he realized his scummate juat claimed a role that needs to be nightkilled.

But hey, lets see if he dies tonight right? A rolecop. With most coming nights having protectives. Tonigjt is probably scums only chance to kill him to avoid getting a clear or a guilty.

-->Suspicious of Chaqa:

@Chaqa how do you feel about the new forum and maf QTs all being on discord now?

Oh that’s sweet, I wish we could just replace this entire forum with the discord. In love it. Me and NEFS have organized so many live games!

genuine feel this reponse does not have

[foodcoats]

I would also just like to let everyone know, you can edit quotes, believe it or not! So you don't need to leave humongous blocks of nested quotes lying around all the time. You lazy lazy filthbags.

[brainbomb]

I would also just like to let everyone know, you can edit quotes, believe it or not! So you don't need to leave humongous blocks of nested quotes lying around all the time. You lazy lazy filthbags.

thank you. I worked hard on my filthbod

[Percy Williams]

If there was randomly no janitor Percy might still be town. If he's not he will still be NKd before he can use his power so he is not a sensible lynch today.

Of course he is not a sensible kill. Both you and Percy got a slight increase in suspicion for surviving N1, but neither one of you should be lynched in the next few days, it's ridiculous when your alignment will be obvious by day 6 or so and there's at least three other scum to find.

Why do either of us make any sense as the N1 kills?
There are two mechanically cleared towns, and I'm building a decent amount of suspicion the longer I live. The best thing you could do is not have mentioned that you will Scum read me the longer I survive, telegraphing information directly to the scum team.