Mafia 46 - Ace Attorney - GAME THREAD

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Re: Mafia 46 - Ace Attorney - GAME THREAD

#6541 Post by et » Thu Jun 20, 2019 2:28 pm

##Call GM
Rewrite
Draw is possible?
If there are Town1, Town2, BA, Hooker
Vote
BA-Town1, Hooker
Hooker-Town2, BA.
I think no one can flip.
And at night, Hooker roleblock BA.
I think we can keep same situation.

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Re: Mafia 46 - Ace Attorney - GAME THREAD

#6542 Post by worcej » Thu Jun 20, 2019 2:36 pm

et wrote:
Thu Jun 20, 2019 2:27 pm
##Call GM
Draw is possible?
If there are Town1, Town2, BA, Hooker
Vote
BA-Town1, Hooker
Hooker-Town2, BA.
I think no I can't flip.
And at night, Hooker roleblock BA.
I think we can keep same situation.
##GM Note:
A draw is not possible in this setup.

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Re: Mafia 46 - Ace Attorney - GAME THREAD

#6543 Post by et » Thu Jun 20, 2019 2:42 pm

##Call GM
Then, in that case, we need to keep joining game eternally unless we threw the game?
I think, Town can't lynch anyone and Mafia can't NK if they want to prevent losing, and BA is roleblocked.
Are there my misunderstood?

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Re: Mafia 46 - Ace Attorney - GAME THREAD

#6544 Post by worcej » Thu Jun 20, 2019 2:51 pm

et wrote:
Thu Jun 20, 2019 2:42 pm
##Call GM
Then, in that case, we need to keep joining game eternally unless we threw the game?
I think, Town can't lynch anyone and Mafia can't NK if they want to prevent losing, and BA is roleblocked.
Are there my misunderstood?
##GM Note:
In your example, the flaw is that the mafia team cannot withhold their NK, so the Hooker would not be able to RB.

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Re: Mafia 46 - Ace Attorney - GAME THREAD

#6545 Post by et » Thu Jun 20, 2019 2:55 pm

@GM Thanks.
Then this case, Town will lose.

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Re: Mafia 46 - Ace Attorney - GAME THREAD

#6546 Post by et » Thu Jun 20, 2019 3:00 pm

#Call GM
There are Town1, Town2, Town3, Hooker, Goon, BA
Vote
Hooker-Town1, Town2, BA
BA-Town3, Hooker, Goon
How about this case?

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Re: Mafia 46 - Ace Attorney - GAME THREAD

#6547 Post by Jamiet99uk » Thu Jun 20, 2019 3:31 pm

et wrote:
Thu Jun 20, 2019 3:00 pm
#Call GM
There are Town1, Town2, Town3, Hooker, Goon, BA
Vote
Hooker-Town1, Town2, BA
BA-Town3, Hooker, Goon
How about this case?
GM NOTE:

You have been provided with enough information, in Worcej's answers, and in the setup information, to work this out for yourself. The GM is not here to provide you with 1,001 worked examples of different "what if" scenarios.

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Re: Mafia 46 - Ace Attorney - GAME THREAD

#6548 Post by Durga » Thu Jun 20, 2019 5:32 pm

The mafia team can't withhold their NK? Wow

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Re: Mafia 46 - Ace Attorney - GAME THREAD

#6549 Post by Durga » Thu Jun 20, 2019 5:33 pm

et wrote:
Thu Jun 20, 2019 2:42 pm
##Call GM
Then, in that case, we need to keep joining game eternally unless we threw the game?
I think, Town can't lynch anyone and Mafia can't NK if they want to prevent losing, and BA is roleblocked.
Are there my misunderstood?
Is this a town slip?

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Re: Mafia 46 - Ace Attorney - GAME THREAD

#6550 Post by Squigs44 » Thu Jun 20, 2019 6:02 pm

If mafia can't hold their NK then they had to have hit BA last night.

##call GM - Does mafia have to NK every night, or just in a stalemate position?

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Re: Mafia 46 - Ace Attorney - GAME THREAD

#6551 Post by Squigs44 » Thu Jun 20, 2019 6:03 pm

Well I guess Chippe could have been their kill and BA held, but it definitely limits the possibilities

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Re: Mafia 46 - Ace Attorney - GAME THREAD

#6552 Post by Durga » Thu Jun 20, 2019 6:11 pm

Squigs44 wrote:
Thu Jun 20, 2019 6:03 pm
Well I guess Chippe could have been their kill and BA held, but it definitely limits the possibilities
I don't think any sound analysis was operating under the impression the mafia didn't make a kill

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Re: Mafia 46 - Ace Attorney - GAME THREAD

#6553 Post by worcej » Thu Jun 20, 2019 7:27 pm

Squigs44 wrote:
Thu Jun 20, 2019 6:02 pm
If mafia can't hold their NK then they had to have hit BA last night.

##call GM - Does mafia have to NK every night, or just in a stalemate position?
The mafia team does not have the option to withhold the night kill.

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Re: Mafia 46 - Ace Attorney - GAME THREAD

#6554 Post by Percy Williams » Thu Jun 20, 2019 9:55 pm

So the Mafia 100% knows who BA is, and the BA was a person who wanted Chippe dead.

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Re: Mafia 46 - Ace Attorney - GAME THREAD

#6555 Post by et » Thu Jun 20, 2019 10:20 pm

#Call GM
Sorry, my question was bad.
Can we choose draw when all remaining players agree draw.

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Re: Mafia 46 - Ace Attorney - GAME THREAD

#6556 Post by et » Thu Jun 20, 2019 10:26 pm

##Call GM
I come to think that is not good question too.
Are there any possibility of draw?
What is necessary condition for draw?

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Re: Mafia 46 - Ace Attorney - GAME THREAD

#6557 Post by Durga » Thu Jun 20, 2019 10:34 pm

et wrote:
Thu Jun 20, 2019 10:20 pm
#Call GM
Sorry, my question was bad.
Can we choose draw when all remaining players agree draw.
What?? This isn't diplomacy. There's no drawing.

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Re: Mafia 46 - Ace Attorney - GAME THREAD

#6558 Post by worcej » Thu Jun 20, 2019 10:36 pm

et wrote:
Thu Jun 20, 2019 10:26 pm
##Call GM
I come to think that is not good question too.
Are there any possibility of draw?
What is necessary condition for draw?
GM Note:
The expectation is that every player plays to win. I cannot think of a situation where a draw would fit into playing to win. The situations you have mentioned would require deliberate coordination of multiple sides to get to a draw situation.

Town wants to eliminate the BA and Mafia.
Mafia wants to eliminate the BA and Town.
BA wants to make it to the final 3.

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Re: Mafia 46 - Ace Attorney - GAME THREAD

#6559 Post by et » Thu Jun 20, 2019 10:41 pm

@Squigs@Percy
I thought mafia NK Chippe.
Because Chippe is BA candidate.
So, I thought BA didn't want to NK Chippe.
That narrowed BA candidate.
But you two have different thought.

Why do you think BA NK'd Chippe?
Do you think Mafia knew who is BA before last night NK?
Or, do you think last night NK is for comfirmation BA?

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    Re: Mafia 46 - Ace Attorney - GAME THREAD

    #6560 Post by et » Thu Jun 20, 2019 10:44 pm

    @Durga@GM
    Thanks.
    I realised just now.

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