Mafia 41 - Sid Meiers Civilizaton Mafia - Official Game Thread

[damo666]

Jamie - remind me why you are voting bozo please

[Jamiet99uk]

I put my vote on Bozo when he was one of the lead wagons.

Latterly I re-entered that vote so it would show on the bot for anyone doing VCA.

I am now satisfied to ##VOTE FOXCASTLE

[damo666]

Flash - who do you think is suspicious?

Fox is still top of my list. I agree with Bozo's analysis above. The way he did his Askia reveal is still sus. I don't really see what info we gained from Demon's choosing of Squiggs - whether Demon is scum OR town he had to target Squiggs. It is NAI. The only thing Demon perhaps could have done better here was wait a little longer.

Don't know what to think of darg but Worcej theory is as good as any. I won't be unhappy if he gets lynched.

LQ - You could be right. He could be SK, but probably town.

Nepthys - probably town? I am not sure about the two plans he proposed though.

Jamiet - probably town?

Too lazy to think about the rest. Fox and darg should be our wagons for today - since tomorrow there will be three less people, there will be less work for me to do. And I can start thinking PoE which I like better.

this read list is also very hedgy

Has anyone posted a non-hedgy readlist?

[damo666]

I put my vote on Bozo when he was one of the lead wagons.

Latterly I re-entered that vote so it would show on the bot for anyone doing VCA.

I am now satisfied to ##VOTE FOXCASTLE

Actually you were the first to vote Bozo D3 so you put him in the lead! So what was your reason?

[Nephthys]

Here's my POE for this phase

TC
CFox
Me
Ike/GG/Durga
Jamie
LQ - if he scum he probs deserves to win rn tbh
Bozo

Sus
Flash/ND
Damo
Fox
RHK
Worcej
Darg

Why is LQ TC?

Because he's had consistently high engagement, and had numerous very towny looking arguments with many people. As I noted, it's for this phase and so I don't think that he is someone we would even debate lynching rn

[damo666]

damo's read list is pathetically weak and hedgy, he's also SK hunting instead of wolf hunting, which A) doesn't really work as SK's "tone" shouldn't really be any different then a town, that's why it's so hard to hunt one, B) the SK is prolly lurking as to not attract much attention, not second posting elegiggle and C) indicates that he's probably scum as he isn't hunting for scum. It's a really common thing for wolves to hunt for 3p in order to fake solving as it's both beneficial to their wincon and makes it look like they're solving

I'm not particularly SK and I don't understand how you say I am not scum hunting. There are 5 outstanding anti-town roles 4 scum and 1 SK. I am endeavouring to identify as many of the 5 as I can. I suspect a minimum of 2 from Fox/LordQ/demonRHK with the rest from worcej/darg/Durga/flash. Of course I could be misreading Bozo Jamie or Neph but I doubt it. I don't see that as 'hedgy'.

OK this is where I'm at.

Bozo - getting townier ##unvote

CrimsonFox - assume Mason in absence of cc

damo666 - town

darg - null

demonRHk - immune today but a bit suss. Was fight with LQ engineered.

FoxC - highly suspicious but just might be town doc

Jamiet - I no longer suspect him as SK. Probtown

LordQuas - I don't like the tone of his posts. Scum or SK?

Flash - null

Neph - strongly townlean

Durga - null

Worcej - null (quieter than usual - poss SK?)

Assuming 2 of FoxC, demonmRHK, LordQ are scum/SK then 3 out of my 4 nulls must be scum/SK

##vote LordQuas

If this wagon does not take off I will switch.

you make two solid reads, others are all prooobably and maaaybe. One is "strongly townlead" and the other is "I don't like the tone of his posts"

it's d3 surely you have more to your reads beyond not liking a tone, that's such a cop out reasoning for someone who doesn't know how to sell a lynch, why don't you like my tone? what pings you about it?

The orchestrated fight with demon mostly

[damo666]

Here's my POE for this phase

TC
CFox
Me
Ike/GG/Durga
Jamie
LQ - if he scum he probs deserves to win rn tbh
Bozo

Sus
Flash/ND
Damo
Fox
RHK
Worcej
Darg

Why is LQ TC?

Because he's had consistently high engagement, and had numerous very towny looking arguments with many people. As I noted, it's for this phase and so I don't think that he is someone we would even debate lynching rn

I concede there are more obvious lynch candidates and fair enough for you to townREAD him but how townCLEAR?

[damo666]

Foxcastle - are you gonna try and defend yourself or have you given up?

[Jamiet99uk]

I put my vote on Bozo when he was one of the lead wagons.

Latterly I re-entered that vote so it would show on the bot for anyone doing VCA.

I am now satisfied to ##VOTE FOXCASTLE

Actually you were the first to vote Bozo D3 so you put him in the lead! So what was your reason?

There had been a strong consensus overnight that Bozo vs Foxcastle would be very informative. And it looked like Bozo was saved EoD1

[Nephthys]

Why is LQ TC?

Because he's had consistently high engagement, and had numerous very towny looking arguments with many people. As I noted, it's for this phase and so I don't think that he is someone we would even debate lynching rn

I concede there are more obvious lynch candidates and fair enough for you to townREAD him but how townCLEAR?

Note; for this phase, rename it "would not lynch" or whatever you want if it makes you've feel better

[LordQuas]

everyone is absent when foxc is lead wagon for an entire day, darg is lead wagon for a few hours and ppl start coming out of the woodworks to swap lead wagon

What do you think this says about the chances Foxcastle and dargorygel are scum?

typically that would mean darg is more likely then foxc, but honestly it's not a great indicator, plenty of OGI factors can play into it

[LordQuas]

Here's my POE for this phase

TC
CFox
Me
Ike/GG/Durga
Jamie
LQ - if he scum he probs deserves to win rn tbh
Bozo

Sus
Flash/ND
Damo
Fox
RHK
Worcej
Darg

Why is LQ TC?

I'm hoping he meant town reads cause I don't think about half of those ppl are clear

[LordQuas]

I'm not particularly SK and I don't understand how you say I am not scum hunting. There are 5 outstanding anti-town roles 4 scum and 1 SK. I am endeavouring to identify as many of the 5 as I can. I suspect a minimum of 2 from Fox/LordQ/demonRHK with the rest from worcej/darg/Durga/flash. Of course I could be misreading Bozo Jamie or Neph but I doubt it. I don't see that as 'hedgy'.

OK this is where I'm at.

Bozo - getting townier ##unvote

CrimsonFox - assume Mason in absence of cc

damo666 - town

darg - null

demonRHk - immune today but a bit suss. Was fight with LQ engineered.

FoxC - highly suspicious but just might be town doc

Jamiet - I no longer suspect him as SK. Probtown

LordQuas - I don't like the tone of his posts. Scum or SK?

Flash - null

Neph - strongly townlean

Durga - null

Worcej - null (quieter than usual - poss SK?)

Assuming 2 of FoxC, demonmRHK, LordQ are scum/SK then 3 out of my 4 nulls must be scum/SK

##vote LordQuas

If this wagon does not take off I will switch.

you make two solid reads, others are all prooobably and maaaybe. One is "strongly townlead" and the other is "I don't like the tone of his posts"

it's d3 surely you have more to your reads beyond not liking a tone, that's such a cop out reasoning for someone who doesn't know how to sell a lynch, why don't you like my tone? what pings you about it?

The orchestrated fight with demon mostly

lol wtf that's not even a tone thing, nor was it orchestrated, you wanna make a specific statement instead of a broad, vague one?

[damo666]

Voters to move off Bozo day 1 were:

Foxcastle
Worcej
Vecna (town).

So if Bozo was saved maybe the scumteam is Bozo/Foxc/Worcej+ a.n.o. (LQ would be my fav).

Now neither Bozo and worcej have a vote and LQ not gaining traction so

##vote Foxcastle. Apols if u r town doc.

[LordQuas]

Foxcastle - are you gonna try and defend yourself or have you given up?

^^ honestly him not showing up at all is pinging me super super hard

[Foxcastle]

Foxcastle - are you gonna try and defend yourself or have you given up?

A little of both. And apologies, Friday night + Saturday == not following game as closely as I should.

I think Bozo is a fine lynch, still. I still think that what DemonRHK did is pretty scummy, but he's not lynchable today. I don't know about Lord Quas. I do think Jamiet is the SK, but we are down to the wire and need to prioritize scum.

Expect me to change my vote, but not yet.

[Foxcastle]

Foxcastle - are you gonna try and defend yourself or have you given up?

^^ honestly him not showing up at all is pinging me super super hard

Oh, hi LQ. I typed out a whole post while you were dragging me.

[Foxcastle]

Voters to move off Bozo day 1 were:

Foxcastle
Worcej
Vecna (town).

So if Bozo was saved maybe the scumteam is Bozo/Foxc/Worcej+ a.n.o. (LQ would be my fav).

Now neither Bozo and worcej have a vote and LQ not gaining traction so

##vote Foxcastle. Apols if u r town doc.

I mean, my vote is pretty justified to save myself. So please take that into consideration.

[damo666]

OK Neph your TC list is those you would not consider lynching this phase. TC just a strange label but I understand now.

[Foxcastle]

Also, sure, I'd be fine with the SK targeting me to prove I'm clear. (Assuming I'm not lynched, that is.) However, it's fraught with all sorts of unknowables and WIFOM, so I am not even sure that I can be actually cleared by that process.