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Re: MAFIA 77: RETURN TO THE WEST [GAME THREAD] - [HIDDEN]

#1841 Post by Balki Bartokomous » Mon Jan 23, 2023 6:46 pm

Chaqa wrote:
Mon Jan 23, 2023 6:40 pm
Balki Bartokomous wrote:
Mon Jan 23, 2023 6:30 pm
Chaqa wrote:
Thu Jan 19, 2023 10:03 pm
I feel like bo is super obv town, but that's me.

I think worc is mafia, but I'd vote yavu.
@Chaqa, why did you think Bo was "super obv town"? (This was during Day 2)
It's all vibes, man. I still think he's town.
But I thought you were saying a moment ago that you were keen to flashwagon Bo and so that should unpair the two of you?

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#1842 Post by Balki Bartokomous » Mon Jan 23, 2023 6:47 pm

Chaqa wrote:
Mon Jan 23, 2023 6:39 pm
Balki Bartokomous wrote:
Mon Jan 23, 2023 6:25 pm
Chaqa wrote:
Thu Jan 19, 2023 6:41 pm


I am literally a PR.
What's going on here, @Chaqa? What is the point of this post?

I'm definitely a person who can understand that there are reasons, as VT, to fake a claim. Here you are using the fake claim as a one-line defense to a push on you. That seems pretty disingenuous. Why did you do this?
Honestly?

I didn't want to get into an argument with worcej, who I was pretty convinced was fake claiming
Why did you keep doing it with regard to others besides worcej as well?

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#1843 Post by Chaqa » Mon Jan 23, 2023 6:48 pm

Balki Bartokomous wrote:
Mon Jan 23, 2023 6:46 pm
Chaqa wrote:
Mon Jan 23, 2023 6:40 pm
Balki Bartokomous wrote:
Mon Jan 23, 2023 6:30 pm

@Chaqa, why did you think Bo was "super obv town"? (This was during Day 2)
It's all vibes, man. I still think he's town.
But I thought you were saying a moment ago that you were keen to flashwagon Bo and so that should unpair the two of you?
Man, are you going to be shocked when I die in a few hours and flip VT.

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Re: MAFIA 77: RETURN TO THE WEST [GAME THREAD] - [HIDDEN]

#1844 Post by Chaqa » Mon Jan 23, 2023 6:49 pm

Balki Bartokomous wrote:
Mon Jan 23, 2023 6:47 pm
Chaqa wrote:
Mon Jan 23, 2023 6:39 pm
Balki Bartokomous wrote:
Mon Jan 23, 2023 6:25 pm

What's going on here, @Chaqa? What is the point of this post?

I'm definitely a person who can understand that there are reasons, as VT, to fake a claim. Here you are using the fake claim as a one-line defense to a push on you. That seems pretty disingenuous. Why did you do this?
Honestly?

I didn't want to get into an argument with worcej, who I was pretty convinced was fake claiming
Why did you keep doing it with regard to others besides worcej as well?
For a deeply unsatisfying answer, I don't know.

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#1845 Post by Balki Bartokomous » Mon Jan 23, 2023 6:53 pm

There is a whole episode early Day 2 where Bo votes Chaqa. He doesn't really say much to convince anyone else, he just say things like:
Sure, I'm in ##VOTE Chaqa
Yay, we're doing something productive now
You expressed interest in voting Chaqa a few hours ago, are you still interested in that?
A bit later, with Chaqa still at 2 vote, Bo walks off and essentally kills that wagon:
I never really had any intention of keeping Chaqa up top, but I saw an opportunity to help worcej get his head back in the game and took it
Certainly consistent with distancing.

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#1846 Post by Chaqa » Mon Jan 23, 2023 6:55 pm

Just in general, like, do you guys keep detailed mental (or physical) notes of *why* you do everything you do? Do you stop and think through "if I do X, it may result in Y?"

Because like, if so, I don't. At all.

My mafia playstyle is simple: I do things.

Asking me questions after the fact, especially more than like a few hours later, is likely going to be met with a crafted, sarcastic, or unhelpful response, because I literally do not have the answers you want, but feel I must provide them.

ugh, this starts to feel like therapy lol

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#1847 Post by BunnyGo » Mon Jan 23, 2023 6:59 pm

Balki Bartokomous wrote:
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lfischl wrote:
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For my activity, sorry I haven't been around as much, I had a pretty awful weekend with some personal stuff and then I got sick, but I should be around more tonight and tomorrow.

For the PR's, I do think worcej's doctor claim is truthful, and I would be open to flipping someone like chaqa because I don't believe his claim
This isn't quite unpairing to me between lfischl and Chaqa, but it gives me slight town points for lfischl in the event that Chaqa is scum.
I’ve been on a team with Chaqa and kgray where they just agreed to bus each other every day for any reason they could. Worked great. I award fish 0 town points regardless of Chaqa’s alignment.

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#1848 Post by Balki Bartokomous » Mon Jan 23, 2023 6:59 pm

Day 2 Vote Count With 80 Minutes Left
Jamiet99uk wrote:
Fri Jan 20, 2023 9:48 pm
yavuzovic(3) - bozotheclown, damo666, rdrivera2005
worcej(2) - KoalaAttack(END), yavuzovic
Ghug(2) - BunnyGo, bo_sox48
bo_sox48(2) - worcej, ghug
BunnyGo(1) - Balki Bartokomous
Balki Bartokomous(1) - Chaqa

Lfischl has yet to vote.

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#1849 Post by Chaqa » Mon Jan 23, 2023 7:01 pm

BunnyGo wrote:
Mon Jan 23, 2023 6:59 pm
Balki Bartokomous wrote:
Mon Jan 23, 2023 6:28 pm
lfischl wrote:
Thu Jan 19, 2023 7:59 pm
For my activity, sorry I haven't been around as much, I had a pretty awful weekend with some personal stuff and then I got sick, but I should be around more tonight and tomorrow.

For the PR's, I do think worcej's doctor claim is truthful, and I would be open to flipping someone like chaqa because I don't believe his claim
This isn't quite unpairing to me between lfischl and Chaqa, but it gives me slight town points for lfischl in the event that Chaqa is scum.
I’ve been on a team with Chaqa and kgray where they just agreed to bus each other every day for any reason they could. Worked great. I award fish 0 town points regardless of Chaqa’s alignment.
That was a fun one. We were chainsawing each other hard.

That may have been the game I told brain was the Godfather, too.

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#1850 Post by Balki Bartokomous » Mon Jan 23, 2023 7:01 pm

lfischl wrote:
Fri Jan 20, 2023 9:55 pm
Jamiet99uk wrote:
Fri Jan 20, 2023 9:48 pm
I would like to provide VOTE COUNT 2.6:

yavuzovic(3) - bozotheclown, damo666, rdrivera2005
worcej(2) - KoalaAttack(END), yavuzovic
Ghug(2) - BunnyGo, bo_sox48
bo_sox48(2) - worcej, ghug
BunnyGo(1) - Balki Bartokomous
Balki Bartokomous(1) - Chaqa

At present Yavuzovic is at the top of this list.

A bit more than an hour is left.

Lfischl has yet to vote.
well if no one votes chaqa I guess I'll vote yav ##vote yav
This is the kind of thing that a scum!lfischl might say who is paired with scum!chaqa

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#1851 Post by worcej » Mon Jan 23, 2023 7:03 pm

Chaqa wrote:
Mon Jan 23, 2023 6:55 pm
Just in general, like, do you guys keep detailed mental (or physical) notes of *why* you do everything you do? Do you stop and think through "if I do X, it may result in Y?"

Because like, if so, I don't. At all.

My mafia playstyle is simple: I do things.

Asking me questions after the fact, especially more than like a few hours later, is likely going to be met with a crafted, sarcastic, or unhelpful response, because I literally do not have the answers you want, but feel I must provide them.

ugh, this starts to feel like therapy lol
So you're unable to provide an explanation on your thought process upon request?

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#1852 Post by Balki Bartokomous » Mon Jan 23, 2023 7:04 pm

Vote Count With Five Minutes Left in Day 2
dargorygel wrote:
Fri Jan 20, 2023 10:57 pm
Ole Dargo scratches some things off the blackboard, and scratches some new things on.
It now reads:
Bo_sox48 (4) ghug, yavu, worcej, bozo
Yavuzovic (3) damo, rdr, lflisch
Ghug (2) bunny, bo
Worcej (1) Koala
BunnyGo (1) balki
Balki Bartokomous (1) Chaqa

Bo is set to be bedazzled
Five more minutes
If Bo is scum, then the bad guys were in trouble here...

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#1853 Post by Chaqa » Mon Jan 23, 2023 7:07 pm

worcej wrote:
Mon Jan 23, 2023 7:03 pm
Chaqa wrote:
Mon Jan 23, 2023 6:55 pm
Just in general, like, do you guys keep detailed mental (or physical) notes of *why* you do everything you do? Do you stop and think through "if I do X, it may result in Y?"

Because like, if so, I don't. At all.

My mafia playstyle is simple: I do things.

Asking me questions after the fact, especially more than like a few hours later, is likely going to be met with a crafted, sarcastic, or unhelpful response, because I literally do not have the answers you want, but feel I must provide them.

ugh, this starts to feel like therapy lol
So you're unable to provide an explanation on your thought process upon request?
I mean, in general, I can, but it really doesn't go too deep.

I saw a VT role PM, thought that was boring, and thought I'd have some fun pretending to be the Watcher, and rolled with it in the hopes maybe I'd screw with mafia. I withdrew it when it felt appropriate to do so, to me.

That's about all I have to say, really.

I legitimately thought you were scum until I slept on it and things played out more.

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#1854 Post by Balki Bartokomous » Mon Jan 23, 2023 7:09 pm

In the final 5 minutes, three townies switch to yav!

(koala, ghug, worcej)

Hmmm...

That was very lucky if Bo is scum.
dargorygel wrote:
Fri Jan 20, 2023 11:03 pm
FINAL Vote Count

Yavuzovic (6) damo, rdr, lflisch, Koala, worcej, ghug
Bo_sox48 (2) bozo, yavu,
Ghug (2) bunny, bo
BunnyGo (1) balki
Balki Bartokomous (1) Chaqa


Please PM the GM’s ASAP with corrections (5 minutes)
Here is another thing: If Bo is scum, ghug becomes a strange kill. Because if Bo is scum, ghug is one of the three players who saved Bo. I feel like a scum team with Bo on it might want to keep ghug around for a mischop later.

Hmmmm....

##vote chaqa

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#1855 Post by Chaqa » Mon Jan 23, 2023 7:09 pm

But like, questions like "why did you do X thing even though Y thing at this time a few days ago" I can't really get.

This is a problem I run into a lot with just flat out not remembering things, so it's not just mafia specific. Eden or Bona could attest to this if they were around this game.

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#1856 Post by worcej » Mon Jan 23, 2023 7:15 pm

Chaqa wrote:
Mon Jan 23, 2023 7:07 pm
worcej wrote:
Mon Jan 23, 2023 7:03 pm
Chaqa wrote:
Mon Jan 23, 2023 6:55 pm
Just in general, like, do you guys keep detailed mental (or physical) notes of *why* you do everything you do? Do you stop and think through "if I do X, it may result in Y?"

Because like, if so, I don't. At all.

My mafia playstyle is simple: I do things.

Asking me questions after the fact, especially more than like a few hours later, is likely going to be met with a crafted, sarcastic, or unhelpful response, because I literally do not have the answers you want, but feel I must provide them.

ugh, this starts to feel like therapy lol
So you're unable to provide an explanation on your thought process upon request?
I mean, in general, I can, but it really doesn't go too deep.

I saw a VT role PM, thought that was boring, and thought I'd have some fun pretending to be the Watcher, and rolled with it in the hopes maybe I'd screw with mafia. I withdrew it when it felt appropriate to do so, to me.

That's about all I have to say, really.

I legitimately thought you were scum until I slept on it and things played out more.
I believe your thought process and reasoning - you've done this in the past and it's within your playstyle imho

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#1857 Post by worcej » Mon Jan 23, 2023 7:16 pm

Balki Bartokomous wrote:
Mon Jan 23, 2023 7:09 pm
In the final 5 minutes, three townies switch to yav!

(koala, ghug, worcej)

Hmmm...

That was very lucky if Bo is scum.
dargorygel wrote:
Fri Jan 20, 2023 11:03 pm
FINAL Vote Count

Yavuzovic (6) damo, rdr, lflisch, Koala, worcej, ghug
Bo_sox48 (2) bozo, yavu,
Ghug (2) bunny, bo
BunnyGo (1) balki
Balki Bartokomous (1) Chaqa


Please PM the GM’s ASAP with corrections (5 minutes)
Here is another thing: If Bo is scum, ghug becomes a strange kill. Because if Bo is scum, ghug is one of the three players who saved Bo. I feel like a scum team with Bo on it might want to keep ghug around for a mischop later.

Hmmmm....

##vote chaqa
I don't agree with your analysis here - ghug moved only because of koala's tie. Same reason we did too.

ghug was actively scumming bo at the time.

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#1858 Post by Chaqa » Mon Jan 23, 2023 7:17 pm

I think it's possible scum!Balki realized he needed to put some effort in to make himself the deep threat, but he also wouldn't say no to miskilling me.

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#1859 Post by Balki Bartokomous » Mon Jan 23, 2023 7:18 pm

worcej wrote:
Mon Jan 23, 2023 7:16 pm
Balki Bartokomous wrote:
Mon Jan 23, 2023 7:09 pm
In the final 5 minutes, three townies switch to yav!

(koala, ghug, worcej)

Hmmm...

That was very lucky if Bo is scum.
dargorygel wrote:
Fri Jan 20, 2023 11:03 pm
FINAL Vote Count

Yavuzovic (6) damo, rdr, lflisch, Koala, worcej, ghug
Bo_sox48 (2) bozo, yavu,
Ghug (2) bunny, bo
BunnyGo (1) balki
Balki Bartokomous (1) Chaqa


Please PM the GM’s ASAP with corrections (5 minutes)
Here is another thing: If Bo is scum, ghug becomes a strange kill. Because if Bo is scum, ghug is one of the three players who saved Bo. I feel like a scum team with Bo on it might want to keep ghug around for a mischop later.

Hmmmm....

##vote chaqa
I don't agree with your analysis here - ghug moved only because of koala's tie. Same reason we did too.

ghug was actively scumming bo at the time.
Yeah, I think you're probably right. The vote was enough of a runaway that ghug wouldn't likely be blamed for saving Bo.

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#1860 Post by Balki Bartokomous » Mon Jan 23, 2023 7:19 pm

##vote Bo_sox48

I'm interested in chopping Bo or Chaqa today.

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