M59 - Duck Season? - Game Thread

[bozotheclown]

Well this is a little interesting to wake up to.

I don’t get any read on Bunny from this as he tends to latch onto everything and anything and pursue it.

I would have thought bozo and damo had better opinions of me than to think I would do something as idiotic as they are speculating.

Kgray and sort of Vecna defending me a bit. Kgray pocketed me hard last game - don’t know she’d try to do it consecutively - so slight townread for her.

Why you ignored hthefourth defense of you?

His post seems less a defense of me and more an attack on Bunny (which indirectly defends me, but I don’t think that was the intention. I can see why people would scumread Bunny in general because of how he plays. I also don’t know hthefourth, like I do bozo and damo

Again Tom indicates he does not know hthefourth, but my research shows they went to the same college.

[bozotheclown]

And you think the most likely scenario is that he was defending his teammate Tom? And that Tom then defended that defense of him?

I think that now, it was not as obvious at the time. Tom was my top scum suspect at that time though.

Well I very much disagree. Hthefourth has complained about people throwing around accusations without backing them up with reasoning or evidence, and I'm convinced that's what he thought Bunny was doing. I see no scenario where Tom defends hthefourth's defense of him if they're partners.

So you are eliminating hthefourth as a teammate of Tom? What about if hthefourth is the traitor? What if I can prove hthefourth and Tom were in the same class is college?

[kgray]

I think that now, it was not as obvious at the time. Tom was my top scum suspect at that time though.

Well I very much disagree. Hthefourth has complained about people throwing around accusations without backing them up with reasoning or evidence, and I'm convinced that's what he thought Bunny was doing. I see no scenario where Tom defends hthefourth's defense of him if they're partners.

So you are eliminating hthefourth as a teammate of Tom? What about if hthefourth is the traitor? What if I can prove hthefourth and Tom were in the same class is college?

What are you talking about? Are you implying the traitor doesn't know their teammates? Is this college thing some sort of inside joke?

[kgray]

Well I very much disagree. Hthefourth has complained about people throwing around accusations without backing them up with reasoning or evidence, and I'm convinced that's what he thought Bunny was doing. I see no scenario where Tom defends hthefourth's defense of him if they're partners.

So you are eliminating hthefourth as a teammate of Tom? What about if hthefourth is the traitor? What if I can prove hthefourth and Tom were in the same class is college?

What are you talking about? Are you implying the traitor doesn't know their teammates? Is this college thing some sort of inside joke?

Oh, okay. You mean Tom might not have known hthefourth was the traitor. Fair, and possible. But I don't think hthefourth is scum. And I still don't know what this college thing is.

[bozotheclown]

Well I very much disagree. Hthefourth has complained about people throwing around accusations without backing them up with reasoning or evidence, and I'm convinced that's what he thought Bunny was doing. I see no scenario where Tom defends hthefourth's defense of him if they're partners.

So you are eliminating hthefourth as a teammate of Tom? What about if hthefourth is the traitor? What if I can prove hthefourth and Tom were in the same class is college?

What are you talking about? Are you implying the traitor doesn't know their teammates? Is this college thing some sort of inside joke?

No, if hthefourth is the traitor, he could have been defending Tom, but Tom would not know he was defending his teammate. You said "I see no scenario where Tom defends hthefourth's defense of him if they're partners."

[kgray]

So you are eliminating hthefourth as a teammate of Tom? What about if hthefourth is the traitor? What if I can prove hthefourth and Tom were in the same class is college?

What are you talking about? Are you implying the traitor doesn't know their teammates? Is this college thing some sort of inside joke?

No, if hthefourth is the traitor, he could have been defending Tom, but Tom would not know he was defending his teammate. You said "I see no scenario where Tom defends hthefourth's defense of him if they're partners."

Yeah yeah, I got there eventually.

I guess hthefourth's hockey references could have been a signal for Moscow and Tom.

[bozotheclown]

So you are eliminating hthefourth as a teammate of Tom? What about if hthefourth is the traitor? What if I can prove hthefourth and Tom were in the same class is college?

What are you talking about? Are you implying the traitor doesn't know their teammates? Is this college thing some sort of inside joke?

Oh, okay. You mean Tom might not have known hthefourth was the traitor. Fair, and possible. But I don't think hthefourth is scum. And I still don't know what this college thing is.

I did not have a strong suspicion of hthefourth until looking at his vote for flash when considering who was likely scum if flash is town. His vote still makes sense as the traitor.

[kgray]

@hthefourth how do you know what an iso is?

[bozotheclown]

What are you talking about? Are you implying the traitor doesn't know their teammates? Is this college thing some sort of inside joke?

No, if hthefourth is the traitor, he could have been defending Tom, but Tom would not know he was defending his teammate. You said "I see no scenario where Tom defends hthefourth's defense of him if they're partners."

Yeah yeah, I got there eventually.

I guess hthefourth's hockey references could have been a signal for Moscow and Tom.

The college reference was about Tom first saying he knew everyone, then saying he did not know hthefourth, but that would point to Tom knowing hthefourth was his partner.

[BunnyGo]

OK, I figured out why goldie is triggering me. Check this out:

http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs?g= ... finger0303

http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs?g= ... finger0303

In addition, after this post:

And th-a-th-th-tha that's all folks. Back to work.

He just stuck around to bait me and others.


Then after he slept (apparently from like 5 AM till noon...goldie, take care of yourself) He had this post:

Alright, after consideration I'm inclined to give damo a break. I'm remembering the play from the matrix game where damo outed themselves as a PR and then the rest of the ship. So this isn't exactly out of character. But I'm not townreading them. Kgrays comment just rang very true that this is an easy scum bus. So let's have the scum work a little harder.

##Vote TrPrado, I suppose. Seems uncharacteristically mild this game, with lots of low-thought town-flavored comments peppered in frequently enough for him to be seen as contributing.

Anyone wonder why Damo got offed last night? GOLDIE thought he was a PR.

(and then again):

Considering you and damo were the top wagons when damo brought it up, I think damo forced the issue.

I just realized that damo is town. If he was scum and thought I crumbed something worthwhile he'd just propose me as an NK to his team.

That's level 1 thinking.

Why not try to get a suspected PR daykilled? If successful, yay PR dead. If unsuccessful, PR outed and NK lined up. If successful and not a PR, well you saved a NK.

[kgray]

When worcej voted bozo, he quoted MF as saying that he would be "down to off bozo on principle if people are interested." "On principle" feels really flimsy, even if bozo did draw some flak for his earlier disagreement with Tom. Would worcej have drawn attention to MF's apparent lack of reasoning if worcej was a fellow member of the scum team and wanted a misvote?

This post makes me think that if hthefourth is scum, then worcej looks bad. I don't think scum go out of their way to defend town when it would be easier to let people scumreading the town slot push a miskill.

[BunnyGo]

I'm grooving on the H IV investigation. Looking like scum team possibility:

Moscow, Tom, Goldie, Seth and Traitor H IV

[rdrivera2005]

Tom and hthefourth received some pressure D1 because of this post and Tom's reaction to it:

Does anyone else find Tom's first two posts odd? The triggered me as I read them. I'm just wondering if anyone else sees it.

##vote BunnyGo . I can't think of many concrete reasons to votekill someone this early in the game, but casting the vaguest of shades on someone else is one of them. Also I didn't find Tom's posts odd. Also I'm not sucking up. Also I'm town. Also... I'll stop now.

I was one putting pressure and that's why I think shooting him won't be a lost shot.

[kgray]

Wow you sobered up quick Bunny.

[BunnyGo]

Wow you sobered up quick Bunny.

i switched to computer. helps for research and typing. But I'm onto The Yamazaki now. Definitely not sober.

[kgray]

@rivera what are your updated reads knowing damo was town and Tom scum?

[kgray]

@Macca who do you think are most likely to be Moscow and Tom's partners?

[kgray]

@Bunny I'm not convinced on gold. I think it's likely the scumteam thought damo was a PR regardless of whether or not gold is on it, and I disagree that him saying he was going to leave but then not actually leaving is scummy. Also I'm not really seeing the similarities between his two D1s. Can you be more specific?

[Durga]

Ok I'm home what have I missed

[BunnyGo]

@Bunny I'm not convinced on gold. I think it's likely the scumteam thought damo was a PR regardless of whether or not gold is on it, and I disagree that him saying he was going to leave but then not actually leaving is scummy. Also I'm not really seeing the similarities between his two D1s. Can you be more specific?

Did *anyone* else suggest that Damo was a PR? No, we all suggested he was PR hunting.

The similarity? He opens with jokes, and then specifically targets *me* for questioning about something. Then latches on and tries to us Dumb Bunny (TM) as cover for his scum pushes.