MAFIA LVIII (58) - WITCHFINDER GENERAL - GAME THREAD

[Yoyoyozo]

One thing that could be interesting this game is hypo claims. For instance, each night we could have everyone claim who they would target if they were the Desperado, so that if there is a Desperado, and the Desperado gets killed by targeting a town, we would have a town clear. The same could work for the Bodyguard. We could also consider hypo claiming results for all potential investigative roles.

This is an interesting idea though. I think it might be worth it to think about the bodyguard, weak doctor, and desperado. If we all claim who we would target if we were these roles, it could provide useful information. I think the strongest candidate is the weak doctor, since instead of providing a town clear, it could potentially out a mafia player if the weak doctor dies during the night. (Unless the weak doctor is the only player killed, which means the mafia simply killed the doctor)

[seth24c]

Do you?

Yes I do. Do you?

Yep.

Ok now I believe you.

You better slow down there Matthew, you only get two scans.

[seth24c]

One thing that could be interesting this game is hypo claims. For instance, each night we could have everyone claim who they would target if they were the Desperado, so that if there is a Desperado, and the Desperado gets killed by targeting a town, we would have a town clear. The same could work for the Bodyguard. We could also consider hypo claiming results for all potential investigative roles.

This is an interesting idea though. I think it might be worth it to think about the bodyguard, weak doctor, and desperado. If we all claim who we would target if we were these roles, it could provide useful information. I think the strongest candidate is the weak doctor, since instead of providing a town clear, it could potentially out a mafia player if the weak doctor dies during the night. (Unless the weak doctor is the only player killed, which means the mafia simply killed the doctor)

Would it also be possible (although presumably unlikely at least in the early game) that the witch redirected the weak doctor scan or the mafia kill onto another target than it was originally intended?

[ghug]

One thing that could be interesting this game is hypo claims. For instance, each night we could have everyone claim who they would target if they were the Desperado, so that if there is a Desperado, and the Desperado gets killed by targeting a town, we would have a town clear. The same could work for the Bodyguard. We could also consider hypo claiming results for all potential investigative roles.

This is an interesting idea though. I think it might be worth it to think about the bodyguard, weak doctor, and desperado. If we all claim who we would target if we were these roles, it could provide useful information. I think the strongest candidate is the weak doctor, since instead of providing a town clear, it could potentially out a mafia player if the weak doctor dies during the night. (Unless the weak doctor is the only player killed, which means the mafia simply killed the doctor)

Would it also be possible (although presumably unlikely at least in the early game) that the witch redirected the weak doctor scan or the mafia kill onto another target than it was originally intended?

It's info in any case.

The two problems I see with this are:
a) Mafia get a bunch of help in PR hunting
b) We're not likely to get more than like a third of people actually doing it, especially given that there are 20 million possible roles

I tend to think that the combination of the two means we're more likely to get bogged down arguing about people who didn't do what they were supposed to or let the mafia in on something they can use to hunt than we are to get info we can use when a PR dies or (especially) catch mafia lying.

I think we're better off letting the PRs do their thing and asking them to crumb if it's appropriate.

[ghug]

Yes I do. Do you?

Yep.

Ok now I believe you.

You better slow down there Matthew, you only get two scans.

Just wanted to make sure you weren't my teammate.

[ghug]

Oh also since apparently we have a finite number of PR names there's way less risk of mafia actually managing to fake claim and get away with it.

[TrPrado]

Well this is boring

##VOTE VECNA, do not give me credit I am being a shitter I asked you for sea shanties and you did not provide them

[Jamiet99uk]

VOTE COUNT 1.0

Vecna (2) - bozotheclown, TrPrado
SarahK24 (1) - damo666
BismarckAlive (1) - BunnyGo
Durga (1) - ghug

Currently VECNA is set to be flipped.

36 hours and 44 minutes remain in the Day.

[Vecna]

Bozo just being happy to drop that vote on me and disappear again, without as much as doing any mech-y talk. Not even an opinion to share on the proper grammar and construction on the statements?

Whats up with that bozo?

I believe the grammar was well covered. I do not think there is much with the setup to discuss yet, there are 81 possible combinations of town PRs. I think there would be some value in a mass claim so that we know what we are dealing with, but it is not obvious that the benefit would outweigh the cost of our PRs getting killed early, so I am confident there would be little or no support for a mass claim.

Bruh.
If it already wasn’t clear to you, this is a really shitty idea. I’d say this was super fishy if it weren’t such an obviously bad idea, and we weren’t fresh off a loss due to one of your genius plans. You’re doing me no favors in my effort to convince myself that you’re going to be useful this game.

Yoyo is feeling really forced, both in this post and the one where he was adressing Prado.

##vote Yoyoyoyoyoyozo

[Vecna]

Well this is boring

##VOTE VECNA, do not give me credit I am being a shitter I asked you for sea shanties and you did not provide them

https://www.artofmanliness.com/articles ... -shanties/

knock yourself out sailor boy

[damo666]

Complied with statement request

Bunny
Damo
Summit
Rdr
TrPrado
HR
Bozo
Vecna (of sorts)
ghug
Yoyo
Flash
Seth

[damo666]

Durga is the only person to speak and not comply.

##vote Durga

[damo666]

2008 Grand National winner

[damo666]

Yet to speak

Bismarck
Bo
Fox
HB
Sarah
Worcej

[damo666]

From a VT pov there are 648 role combinations (all that are possible).

From a 3p pov there are 324.

From a town PR pov there are 216

From Mafia* pov there are 162

I am assuming all Mafia know the roles of MH and JS. If they don't yet they will tonight.

[damo666]

Possible player/role combinations from different points of view (not distinguishing between vanilla roles)

From the outside 10,861,169,679,360
From VT 5,716,405,094,400
From 3p 679,572,133,600
Town PR 190,546,836,480
Mafia 166,561,920

Mafia are at a considerable advantage. We need to kill them.

[damo666]

That being said, I win if the mafia and third party are defeated.

Hi ghug

Can you make the statement properly and stand alone please

[damo666]

such a fucking boring and horrible start to this game like this. At least make some comments instead of being a drone.

My win condition is to eliminate the mafia and third parties

Just have to be different don't you?

[Vecna]

I am so enlightened now that I know my odds of guessing everyones exact role.

##vote Damo

[damo666]

Yep.

Ok now I believe you.

You better slow down there Matthew, you only get two scans.

Just wanted to make sure you weren't my teammate.

"weren't" ??????