Mafia 57 Matrix

[summit_fever]

##VOTE summit

Coming in with confidence after all that silence is sketchy, Goldie hedged the fuck out of him, and I don't like people who say things like "powerwolf" (or the general sentiment that came with that statement).

With a mafia day chat you'd like to not discuss powerwolfing?

[ghug]

I also townread damo and Bunny heavily and don't really think we should be lynching bozo or emc yet.

[Hamilton Brian]

@Hamilton - you've been on the sidelines the whole day. It's time you voted

I need to park a vote somewhere. I've been reading, rereading, and I've avoided most of the mechanics talk. I am still trying to process the wagons on summit and damo. There is time.

I think my preliminary vote has to go to BunnyGo. I'd base that on so many posts but so many, in my opinion, that are less-than-helpful. I am reading that as post frequently to spur confusion among the group.

I'll park it here now, and see how things progress over the next couple of hours.

##vote BunnyGo

[summit_fever]

This post gives me strange mixed feelings. On one side Bismarck have been scummy compared to his town game on the other side he is an easy pick, with HR already pushing him. Humm.

@summit - Can you give other reads?

I'm feeling good about Jamie/goldfinger/Tom.
Bismarck and flash are my top scumreads. I also think somebody is powerwolfing. ghug was looking like a good choice but Bunny is also a possibility.

Tom is correct there is a non-zero chance that Maccasek's slot flips scum, but given what I've seen of Macca I think rolling scum with a daychat would have been enjoyable for them.

I understand Tom point of view but I think Macca will not quit just for rolling scum. He seems eager to improve after last game.

Agree about Tom/Jamiet. Don't you think Goldie could be powerwolfing (if I understood right your use of this word).

After iso'ing goldfinger I think he's townie.

[ghug]

##VOTE summit

Coming in with confidence after all that silence is sketchy, Goldie hedged the fuck out of him, and I don't like people who say things like "powerwolf" (or the general sentiment that came with that statement).

With a mafia day chat you'd like to not discuss powerwolfing?

It sounds like mafia site jargon, which means I'd rather not play with you. It's also meaningless. Odds state that usually someone in the mafia will be active, but it's more of a function of the people involved than something that can be assured and sought out. It's an excuse to cast vague aspersions.

[dargorygel]

I also townread damo and Bunny heavily and don't really think we should be lynching bozo or emc yet.

Please refrain from using the phrase Lynch. Thank you

[ghug]

I also townread damo and Bunny heavily and don't really think we should be lynching bozo or emc yet.

Please refrain from using the phrase Lynch. Thank you

Damn it, I knew I'd slip up. Apologies.

[bozotheclown]

##vote bismarck

Bismarck has provided no scumreads. He normally has strong and early opinions and this day should be producing those in spades.

He is asleep at the moment. You should know that. You must have rolled scum this time:

##VOTE summit

I do not know how summit would have a good idea about what is normal for Bismarck if his observation is based only off of M56, but flash pointing out that Bismarck is likely not online now is not really relevant to what summit said.

[Nanook]

If you're expecting people to react to the prospect of a tie, you're shit out of luck though. Last game there was a tie with 1 minute remaining of the D1 phase and only one person changed vote.

What are your actual reads, Nanook?

Welp, that’s unfortunate. Generally you can sometimes get reads off how people react to ties being broken. Unfortunate it applies everywhere else but apparently doesn’t here. Very sad.


Bunny, rdrivera both slightly >rand scum imo. I don’t have high confidence in my reads.

People usually react to ties and unties but closer to EOD.
Why you are hedging on your reads? Who do you townread?

I don’t really have a strong TR. ghug probably closest thing to one.

I’m not hedging, I’m just not overselling my confidence

[Nanook]

If you're expecting people to react to the prospect of a tie, you're shit out of luck though. Last game there was a tie with 1 minute remaining of the D1 phase and only one person changed vote.

What are your actual reads, Nanook?

Welp, that’s unfortunate. Generally you can sometimes get reads off how people react to ties being broken. Unfortunate it applies everywhere else but apparently doesn’t here. Very sad.


Bunny, rdrivera both slightly >rand scum imo. I don’t have high confidence in my reads.

Certainly there were reactions to it, but it'd have to be far closer to EoD for people to actually think a tie might happen.

As for your scumreads - A Bunny wagon is very viable given the current vote spread and the fact two people are on it, and quite a few people are scumreading rdrivera, so it seems like you're certainly in a position to push for either of your favoured wagons instead of parking a reaction vote on someone you seemingly don't even believe is scum.

What do you think about BismarckAlive?

I have no meaningful opinion on him, if I did I would’ve shared it lol

I’m not really in a position to push things, based on newness to the playerlist (both cause it makes me less than certain in my reads and because none of you particularly have reason to trust my accuracy), and time constraints.

[Fluminator]

##GM Question

Do you guys want votecounts on this thread, or is the bot all you need?

[Nanook]

I have a hard time seeing summit draw scum for the first time and play it by posting 1 time in the first 44 hours.

I mean uh

That’s not a particularly uncommon thing to happen lulz

[DemonRHK]

So bunny and damo have a gas station handshake, run then run off to different wagons. I find that whole exchange odd.

Bunny voting with EMC, while not indicative because Bunny has just had a John Holmes hard on trying to get EMC policy...violently separated from his lifeforce...it's still odd.

I don't buy a lot of what's being sold on these counterwagons, and admittedly don't have a great deal of solid reads past him. I'm still good on this for now

[flash2015]

##vote bismarck

Bismarck has provided no scumreads. He normally has strong and early opinions and this day should be producing those in spades.

He is asleep at the moment. You should know that. You must have rolled scum this time:

##VOTE summit

I do not know how summit would have a good idea about what is normal for Bismarck if his observation is based only off of M56, but flash pointing out that Bismarck is likely not online now is not really relevant to what summit said.

It is partially a joke...but he does seem quieter than he usually is. Why should I be voting for damo again?

[rdrivera2005]

##GM Question

Do you guys want votecounts on this thread, or is the bot all you need?

An official vote count here would be great. Doesn't need to be so frequently cause of the bot.

[summit_fever]

##CALL GM

What's the order of events between a daykill and an oracle scan?

[Fluminator]

##GM Note
They'll happen at the same time

[Fluminator]

Official Vote Count:

summit_fever (6): e.m.c^42, flash2015, BunnyGo, Nanook, therul, ghug
damo666 (4): DemonRHK, rdrivera2005, bozotheclown, BismarckAlive
BunnyGo (3): bo_sox48, Foxcastle, Hamilton Brian
bozotheclown (2): TheFlyingBoat, damo666
BismarckAlive (2): Hellenic Riot, summit_fever
flash2015 (2): goldfinger0303, Tom Bombadil
e.m.c^42 (1): Jamiet99uk
ghug (1): Chaqa
goldfinger0303: (1) worcej

Not Voting: Temasek22

Currently summit_fever is set to be drowned at the stake
Deadline in 82 minutes.

[BunnyGo]

##vote summit
Following the white rabbit (not a claim)
I am not normally a follower, but I need a start.

Wow. I think you’re the first person to ever sheep me. I’ll note that neither Fox nor Worcej in their summary said I’m a good solver. Just that I’m earnest.

[BunnyGo]

I have a hard time seeing summit draw scum for the first time and play it by posting 1 time in the first 44 hours.

Interesting. People do strange things. But this is not without merit.