The last time I ran a large game was Mafia 51 which was in November/December 2019. At that time the "Council" consisted of Darg and Tom Bombadil since Hellenic Riot had taken a step back from the Mafia community at that time.Vecna wrote: ↑Wed Jun 17, 2020 11:02 amIm not trying to start a shitshow here (weeeeellll maybe a little), but if the mafia council feel they wanna hold sway over such decisions in such a way here, maybe they should actually put in more effort into properly reviewing the setups first. (do setups even still go through that though?)Fluminator wrote: ↑Tue Jun 16, 2020 2:42 pmThe only time I'd endorse a closed setup is if it's advertised as bastard and people signing up know it's going to be a gongshow.
2 out of the last 3 setups have had MAJOR imbalances in them that never shouldve made it through a review process. This setup in itself went into signups with even more confirm-able roles and the signup thread had to correct it.
Also, its not that difficult to design closed setups that have no bastard elements in them whatsoever. Stating that every closed setup should advertise as having bastard elements attached is just short sighted. There are plenty of websites out there that have a very good track record with playing high quality closed setups.
All it takes is advertising it with a few pointed questions such as: Are there mechanisms that can change investigative results? Are there more than 2 teams (TvS)
I did consult them on my setup - and I feel that setup was reasonably balanced, if swingy (and it's always been my view that "swingy" does not equal "unbalanced"). Their input was helpful and assisted me in finalising the setup. It would have been less balanced without their questions and suggestions. Worcej, as my co-GM for that game, also helped a great deal to refine the setup from my original draft.
Even at that time, six games ago, it did feel like this "Council" consultation was more discretionary than mandatory. I am happy to be corrected if I am wrong, but I get the impression M56 (i.e. the game that Squigs just ran) was not subject to that process of scrutiny?