M1011 - Revenge of the Space Mutants - Game Thread

[Jamiet99uk]

VOTE COUNT 2.3

xorxes(4) - Chaqa, foodcoats, Damo666, Vecna
Nephthys(3) - summit_fever, kgray, bozotheclown
summit_fever(2) - worcej, Nephthys
Chaqa(1) - xorxes
damo666(1) - Tom Bombadil

Currently XORXES is set to be lynched.

22 hours and 20 minutes remain in Day Two.

Everyone has voted and posted at least as much as the rules require.

I don't see any GM calls but I'm here for a while just in case.

[xorxes]

Here's where I'm at:

kgray, summit, Neph: town based on the fact they could have lynched me but didn't. I know one can always imagine scenarios where they wouldn't anyway, but I'm not going to indulge in that at this point.

worcej, foodcoats: town based on their claims. Both claims looked fishy to me bacause neither of them seemed to know very well how their role worked, but thinking some more about it, it is hard to see why they would fake claim here. If a third vig turns up we can reevaluate.

That leaves:

bozotheclown
Chaqa
damo666
Vecna
Tom Bombadil

Of those, I think bozo is the towniest, mostly based on D1.

I want to believe Tom is town. His defense of me could be buddying, but it seems unnecessary. It's not like I will townread him for long just based on that, it just buys him some good predisposition for a while. I wish he was doing some more to advance the game, but I'm still giving him a town lean.

Vecna is compromised by worcej's shot. Really odd that worcej thought his target was not even worth mentioning, but there we are. My townread of emc has evaporated a bit, and Vecna finding me scummy is in my eyes scummy. I realize that probably is not convincing to anyone else, but he is one of the players that can more easily tell when I'm town.

Chaqa I'm pretty sure is scum by now. He says he had no time at EOD to evaluate things, but made a post evauating exactly how things were. He was happy with both wagons but made no effort to ensure that one of the wagons was lynched.

damo by POE has to be scum, and I also find the reads he has had of me this game weird.

Now, if it is Chaqa-damo-Vecna, then all voting for me now is really odd, so I might be wrong somewhere, but that's what I have.

[xorxes]

I will ##VOTE damo to make it a more competitive wagon, but I can go back to Chaqa if there is interest. Or Vecna. Is everyone else townreading Vecna?

[Vecna]

Xorxes, if you really are town you should probably stop pushing narratives based entirely on who scumreads you and who townreads you.

Also, since when have I been able to easily tell when you are town? Because that is a vastly different view than the one I have on it. The games where you actually demonstrate the obv-town town leadership are few and far between. And where have I actually stated that I think you are scum? Because I think ive been pretty clear that my opinion is that its a coinflip between you and Chaqa.

(which also begs the question how on earth you ever would think of that setup. i hard-attack chaqa here and hard defend Damo, while chaqa is hell-bent on linking damo to you).

[Vecna]

Also, the fact you townread summit for while the same goes there for something that compromises me?

Also, you townread summit for voting Damo, but then only use that poe-circle to arrive to Damo scum. Circular reasoning where your beginning logic is most likely based on a flawed assumption

[xorxes]

Slightly adjusting what I said before I believe we are a maximum of two mislynches away from victory. So I think we are safe even if vig screws up.

Two mislynches away from victory?

[Chaqa]

Xorxes is really more concerned with being big brother about who may or may not have been around in the final minutes than he is with the convincing and not-yet-invalidated case on him. Classic scum deflection technique.

[Chaqa]

I’m feeling xorxes-summit-Damo

[xorxes]

Xorxes, if you really are town you should probably stop pushing narratives based entirely on who scumreads you and who townreads you.

I've been a leading wagon both D1 and D2, it's hard not to read people based on that.

Also, since when have I been able to easily tell when you are town? Because that is a vastly different view than the one I have on it. The games where you actually demonstrate the obv-town town leadership are few and far between. And where have I actually stated that I think you are scum? Because I think ive been pretty clear that my opinion is that its a coinflip between you and Chaqa.

Well, you're voting for me, so I assume you think I'm more likely than Chaqa. You were also the fourth vote on me, so you don't even seem interested in making it competitive. Would you vote Chaqa with me?

(which also begs the question how on earth you ever would think of that setup. i hard-attack chaqa here and hard defend Damo, while chaqa is hell-bent on linking damo to you).

I didn't notice you hard-defending damo. You sent me to read your walls when I asked for a review of your read on him.

[xorxes]

Also, the fact you townread summit for while the same goes there for something that compromises me?

Also, you townread summit for voting Damo, but then only use that poe-circle to arrive to Damo scum. Circular reasoning where your beginning logic is most likely based on a flawed assumption

I don't townread summit for voting damo, I townread him for not voting me. There's a difference. He could have lynched me, but didn't. damo could be town or scum there, it works both ways.

And yes, foodcoats' shot does compromise him in the same way worcej's compromises you. But I have reasons to townread him and you are not giving me reasons to townread you.

[damo666]

Slightly adjusting what I said before I believe we are a maximum of two mislynches away from victory. So I think we are safe even if vig screws up.

Two mislynches away from victory?

Yes. If I'm right there will be a maximum of two town lynches before town triumphs.

I don't understand why you emboldened victory.

[xorxes]

Xorxes is really more concerned with being big brother about who may or may not have been around in the final minutes than he is with the convincing and not-yet-invalidated case on him. Classic scum deflection technique.

Which convincing case are you referring to? There have been at least two. The one where I was confused about kgray having been scum, or the one where I voted Neph as my first D1 vote because you did? I think I have addressed those "cases" enough", but I can keep expanding if you need me to clarify some more.

[xorxes]

I’m feeling xorxes-summit-Damo

Help me bus damo then?

[Chaqa]

Xorxes is really more concerned with being big brother about who may or may not have been around in the final minutes than he is with the convincing and not-yet-invalidated case on him. Classic scum deflection technique.

Which convincing case are you referring to? There have been at least two. The one where I was confused about kgray having been scum, or the one where I voted Neph as my first D1 vote because you did? I think I have addressed those "cases" enough", but I can keep expanding if you need me to clarify some more.

They’re one in the same. Foodcoats covered it better than I could, I’m not a wall of text guy. I don’t believe you were joking and I think you were sheeping and buddying me until I called you on it, now suddenly I’m scum because I had a work issue that made me intermittent at EoD?

I’d post some proof but I can’t due to SOC compliance and such for work.

[Chaqa]

I’m feeling xorxes-summit-Damo

Help me bus damo then?

So you admit you’re bussing him?

[xorxes]

Slightly adjusting what I said before I believe we are a maximum of two mislynches away from victory. So I think we are safe even if vig screws up.

Two mislynches away from victory?

Yes. If I'm right there will be a maximum of two town lynches before town triumphs.

I don't understand why you emboldened victory.

Because mislynches lead to scum victory, not town's. We are not closer to victory if we mislynch twice.

[Vecna]

Im really surprised you guys dont see the huge difference in play from damo between this game and the last.

Kgray also noted this is exactly how he played as town in the game before.

Why is damo scum here?

[Tom Bombadil]

describe to me how he played differently last game

[xorxes]

I’m feeling xorxes-summit-Damo

Help me bus damo then?

So you admit you’re bussing him?

Ah, you caught me in a scumslip! One more thing to add to your case.

[summit_fever]

Im really surprised you guys dont see the huge difference in play from damo between this game and the last.

Kgray also noted this is exactly how he played as town in the game before.

Why is damo scum here?

He started off looking a little sketchy (in my eyes) but I would say he's improved.