M1011 - Revenge of the Space Mutants - Game Thread

[Chaqa]

So unless scum are being tricky, my obvious conclusion is that scumteam is one of: (Tom, worcej, Vecna) or (damo, [food, bozo, worcej, Chaqa])

Based on my previous townreads of Tom and emc/Vecna, I will for now focus on the second possibility, which gives me damo and, if I'm right about bozo being town, and worcej's claim goes unchallenged, that would leave food and Chaqa.

It might also explain why foodcoats was so agitated that I was "assuming" that Chaqa was town with my Neph vote.

Can you explain your scum team guesses a little more? I’m a little confused on the reasoning behind then. Is it purely people who voted for you or weren’t online at EoD??

[Chaqa]

The way summit voted seemed like an attempt to save scum!xorx to me

[Jamiet99uk]

VOTE COUNT 2.0

summit_fever(2) - worcej, foodcoats
xorxes(1) - Chaqa
Nephthys(1) - summit_fever
Chaqa(1) - xorxes

Currently SUMMIT is set to be lynched.

There's loads of time left.

[xorxes]

summit, I most definitely do not think you scumread damo in any substantive way. In fact, the comments you made about how you would not be surprised to learn xorxes was scum, and the fact that you specifically lent credence to the notion that xorxes might be buddying, compared to the fact that you made zero positive statements of your own about damo, makes me think it is very strange that you would tie the vote to save xorxes and allow xorxes to push to lynch damo...

When did I push to lynch damo?

[worcej]

Well, not that it matters, so I'll just say it.

The other Vig is the real shot. Just an FYI for you.

Did you get any information about why your shot failed?

No, Jamie was explicit about the information people would receive.

[xorxes]

So unless scum are being tricky, my obvious conclusion is that scumteam is one of: (Tom, worcej, Vecna) or (damo, [food, bozo, worcej, Chaqa])

Based on my previous townreads of Tom and emc/Vecna, I will for now focus on the second possibility, which gives me damo and, if I'm right about bozo being town, and worcej's claim goes unchallenged, that would leave food and Chaqa.

It might also explain why foodcoats was so agitated that I was "assuming" that Chaqa was town with my Neph vote.

Can you explain your scum team guesses a little more? I’m a little confused on the reasoning behind then. Is it purely people who voted for you or weren’t online at EoD??

I explained in a previous post, but here it is again:

CASE 1: damo is town

If this is the case, scum would have been happy to lynch either one of me and damo, and so the only scumteam that could not do that is (Tom, worcej, emc/Vecna) because everyone else was here at EOD and could have moved to mislynch one of us.

CASE 2: damo is scum

In this case, scum could have lynched me unless the two scum were already voting for me when damo voted. Or one of them was Tom or emc/Vecna who apparently were not here. That means in this case scumteam is damo plus two of (Tom, emc/Vecna, bozo, worcej, food, Chaqa).

Excluding my towreads Tom/Vecna/bozo, and giving worcej the benefit of the doubt about his claim, that leaves (damo, food, Chaqa).

If you are town, worcej would be my top candidate to replace you at this point, because his claim was a bit fishy.

[summit_fever]

The way summit voted seemed like an attempt to save scum!xorx to me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NsBGtBiDbc

[worcej]

its a bit odd that worcej just jumped the shark on the assumptions he made after claiming he tried to shoot me, no?

Theres 3 other things that couldve happened yet he instantly assumes he's shooting blanks.

Would be a bit odd to jump into that pool as mafia now, but it might be the correct play.

Or it is better to let the other Vig know their shot is real? I don't care what anyone else thinks about it - that other person should now know they have a loaded gun.

[worcej]

its a bit odd that worcej just jumped the shark on the assumptions he made after claiming he tried to shoot me, no?

Theres 3 other things that couldve happened yet he instantly assumes he's shooting blanks.

Would be a bit odd to jump into that pool as mafia now, but it might be the correct play.

Here are all the options:

1. My shot was fake and I am the Miller.
2. EMC was commuted.
3. I was commuted (and not told)
4. I was RB'ed (and not told)

Which is the most likely case Vecna?

[worcej]

Xorxes, convince me ur town in 2 lines of text

I'm
town.

I like it when you troll. Seriously, it's funny.

[xorxes]

its a bit odd that worcej just jumped the shark on the assumptions he made after claiming he tried to shoot me, no?

Theres 3 other things that couldve happened yet he instantly assumes he's shooting blanks.

Would be a bit odd to jump into that pool as mafia now, but it might be the correct play.

Here are all the options:

1. My shot was fake and I am the Miller.
2. EMC was commuted.
3. I was commuted (and not told)
4. I was RB'ed (and not told)

Which is the most likely case Vecna?

You seem pretty certain that emc is not the Tough Guy, even though this possibility has already been pointed out to you.

[worcej]

summit, I most definitely do not think you scumread damo in any substantive way. In fact, the comments you made about how you would not be surprised to learn xorxes was scum, and the fact that you specifically lent credence to the notion that xorxes might be buddying, compared to the fact that you made zero positive statements of your own about damo, makes me think it is very strange that you would tie the vote to save xorxes and allow xorxes to push to lynch damo...

When did I push to lynch damo?

5 minutes left of D1 when you made the vote damo (5) and xorxes (4)

[worcej]

its a bit odd that worcej just jumped the shark on the assumptions he made after claiming he tried to shoot me, no?

Theres 3 other things that couldve happened yet he instantly assumes he's shooting blanks.

Would be a bit odd to jump into that pool as mafia now, but it might be the correct play.

Here are all the options:

1. My shot was fake and I am the Miller.
2. EMC was commuted.
3. I was commuted (and not told)
4. I was RB'ed (and not told)

Which is the most likely case Vecna?

You seem pretty certain that emc is not the Tough Guy, even though this possibility has already been pointed out to you.

So then do you think we need to lynch Vecna now? Or would it be better to wait for the other Vig to attempt a shot and claim?

[xorxes]

summit, I most definitely do not think you scumread damo in any substantive way. In fact, the comments you made about how you would not be surprised to learn xorxes was scum, and the fact that you specifically lent credence to the notion that xorxes might be buddying, compared to the fact that you made zero positive statements of your own about damo, makes me think it is very strange that you would tie the vote to save xorxes and allow xorxes to push to lynch damo...

When did I push to lynch damo?

5 minutes left of D1 when you made the vote damo (5) and xorxes (4)

We may have different understandings of what "a push" means then.

[worcej]

So unless scum are being tricky, my obvious conclusion is that scumteam is one of: (Tom, worcej, Vecna) or (damo, [food, bozo, worcej, Chaqa])

Based on my previous townreads of Tom and emc/Vecna, I will for now focus on the second possibility, which gives me damo and, if I'm right about bozo being town, and worcej's claim goes unchallenged, that would leave food and Chaqa.

It might also explain why foodcoats was so agitated that I was "assuming" that Chaqa was town with my Neph vote.

Can you explain your scum team guesses a little more? I’m a little confused on the reasoning behind then. Is it purely people who voted for you or weren’t online at EoD??

I explained in a previous post, but here it is again:

CASE 1: damo is town

If this is the case, scum would have been happy to lynch either one of me and damo, and so the only scumteam that could not do that is (Tom, worcej, emc/Vecna) because everyone else was here at EOD and could have moved to mislynch one of us.

CASE 2: damo is scum

In this case, scum could have lynched me unless the two scum were already voting for me when damo voted. Or one of them was Tom or emc/Vecna who apparently were not here. That means in this case scumteam is damo plus two of (Tom, emc/Vecna, bozo, worcej, food, Chaqa).

Excluding my towreads Tom/Vecna/bozo, and giving worcej the benefit of the doubt about his claim, that leaves (damo, food, Chaqa).

If you are town, worcej would be my top candidate to replace you at this point, because his claim was a bit fishy.

Just to remind you, I enjoyed keeping you in the last mini game until the end because you are not as good at this game as you think you are. You always scum me and doubt me. Have you not forgotten how obvious my town game is?

[worcej]

Here is the facts, wether you believe it or not: I tried to shoot EMC and was told my shot failed.

I have broadcast this information for the benefit of one specific person, to inform them I believe they are the real Vig. That is important for that one person to know.

We've outlined why my shot may have failed, and yeah I left one reason off my list, but they are all lower odds than me just being the miller.

[xorxes]

Here are all the options:

1. My shot was fake and I am the Miller.
2. EMC was commuted.
3. I was commuted (and not told)
4. I was RB'ed (and not told)

Which is the most likely case Vecna?

You seem pretty certain that emc is not the Tough Guy, even though this possibility has already been pointed out to you.

So then do you think we need to lynch Vecna now? Or would it be better to wait for the other Vig to attempt a shot and claim?

No, I don't think emc was/is the Tough Guy, I was townreading him. But you wanted to kill him, so it's weird that you are not even considering that as a possibility.

[worcej]

You seem pretty certain that emc is not the Tough Guy, even though this possibility has already been pointed out to you.

So then do you think we need to lynch Vecna now? Or would it be better to wait for the other Vig to attempt a shot and claim?

No, I don't think emc was/is the Tough Guy, I was townreading him. But you wanted to kill him, so it's weird that you are not even considering that as a possibility.

I am not saying it's impossible, it's just rather low odds. We can figure this out quickly at any point if the other Vig actually attempts a shot and if they fail or not.

[xorxes]

Can you explain your scum team guesses a little more? I’m a little confused on the reasoning behind then. Is it purely people who voted for you or weren’t online at EoD??

I explained in a previous post, but here it is again:

CASE 1: damo is town

If this is the case, scum would have been happy to lynch either one of me and damo, and so the only scumteam that could not do that is (Tom, worcej, emc/Vecna) because everyone else was here at EOD and could have moved to mislynch one of us.

CASE 2: damo is scum

In this case, scum could have lynched me unless the two scum were already voting for me when damo voted. Or one of them was Tom or emc/Vecna who apparently were not here. That means in this case scumteam is damo plus two of (Tom, emc/Vecna, bozo, worcej, food, Chaqa).

Excluding my towreads Tom/Vecna/bozo, and giving worcej the benefit of the doubt about his claim, that leaves (damo, food, Chaqa).

If you are town, worcej would be my top candidate to replace you at this point, because his claim was a bit fishy.

Just to remind you, I enjoyed keeping you in the last mini game until the end because you are not as good at this game as you think you are. You always scum me and doubt me. Have you not forgotten how obvious my town game is?

Your town game has never been obvious to me, I don't think.

And yes, it is always possible that scum are being tricky, I said that at the start of this analysis. But if everything is as it seems, that's my most likely team at the moment.

[Chaqa]

I suppose that’s logically consistent if you’re town, but I do think scum!xorx (either with scum!damo or town!damo) makes more sense