M54: Not a Carrot Conspiracy

[Fluminator]

You may have claimed in your first post, but I softed long before that.
I'm never vanilla town, so claiming I was, was obviously a message to the mafia

[Foxcastle]

Jamie is very far from obv town. he was part of a mislynch and has questionable reads

"Part of a mislynch"? It's entirely possible that there were no scum on Tem's wagon.

[Balki Bartokomous]

I read the context. I understand the point you are trying to make. It does not apply because I was not discussing meta with you. And, while I understand you're hostile to me, I still have an interest in understanding why you think Tem was Town.

And, by the way, I want to know why you think I'm scum.

So, sorry that all makes you salty. I'm trying to make sense of the game.

[worcej]

Not a complete answer to the question.

What is your take on the people (notably Balki and Bozo) that wanted more and more explanation on why I felt Tem was town involving his meta?

What do you mean "involving his meta"?

I did not ask about his meta. What I have been trying to get at re Tem was that your explanations (e.g., he's not a strong player) makes sense as a reason not to read some of his sloppy play as scum-indicative. I can understand why your rationale might cause someone in your position not to jump to the conclusion that Tem is scum. But I did not (and still do not) understand why you would have jumped to the conclusion that Tem was Town.

That is not a question about meta. That is a basic question about your read.

But screw it, 15 mins of night left.

I did not ask about his meta.

Correct. I had to involve it because of:

But I did not (and still do not) understand why you would have jumped to the conclusion that Tem was Town.

Who Tem is as a player effected my judgement and thoughr process, just like it does with every individual we play this game with. People have tendencies and behaviors, aka tells, and I picked up on Tems.

And for the last time: I was right on Tem, so I feel pretty damn validated in my approach.

[Balki Bartokomous]

^ still not answering the question.

What made you think he was town?

[brainbomb]

Jamie is very far from obv town. he was part of a mislynch and has questionable reads

"Part of a mislynch"? It's entirely possible that there were no scum on Tem's wagon.

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[Balki Bartokomous]

And for the last time: I was right on Tem, so I feel pretty damn validated in my approach.

Look at it from my point of view. I don't know your alignment. But I know that there is a set of players who definitely knew Tem's alignment. And they are scum. So the fact that you were right is suspicious to me, unless you can explain your reasoning.

[worcej]

I read the context. I understand the point you are trying to make. It does not apply because I was not discussing meta with you. And, while I understand you're hostile to me, I still have an interest in understanding why you think Tem was Town.

And, by the way, I want to know why you think I'm scum.

So, sorry that all makes you salty. I'm trying to make sense of the game.

Assuming this is directed at me, I am salty because I don't believe you are actually trying to make sense of the game. You are still stuck on why I believed Tem was town and are focusing on that almost exclusively after I have explained it numerous times.

If you wanted to understand, you should be asking more questions to clarify specific aspects of my thinking as opposed to debating me about the method.

[worcej]

And for the last time: I was right on Tem, so I feel pretty damn validated in my approach.

Look at it from my point of view. I don't know your alignment. But I know that there is a set of players who definitely knew Tem's alignment. And they are scum. So the fact that you were right is suspicious to me, unless you can explain your reasoning.

I already have explained it. Go re-read it.

[worcej]

^ still not answering the question.

What made you think he was town?

Go find it. I said it numerous times to you.

[Balki Bartokomous]

Go re-read. Go re-read. Fuck you. Fuck you.

[worcej]

Niether of us is going to lynch each other or convince each other today, Worcej. I'm not going to tell you to move your vote, but I don't see any point in going for any more rounds on this during EOD.

Agreed, so let me just say this stuff:

I think Temasek is town. He isn't a veteran or someone I consider 'good' - he strikes me as just bad town trying to live. Because of this, I don't like the votes from Flum, Balki, and Jamie onto him because they seem opportunistic based on Tem's omission of purpose, which is very easy to spin as scum. I just think an okay player would crack like this so quickly.

I think the BB votes are also bad, but not really scummy - Vecna and Bo are intentionally absent (based on my own assessment) and Temasek is just trying incredibly hard to live.

The rest of the votes are noise in chaos imo.

Wow. So hard to re-read. I say it right in the original post.

[damo666]

Jamie is very far from obv town. he was part of a mislynch and has questionable reads

"Part of a mislynch"? It's entirely possible that there were no scum on Tem's wagon.

Eh?

[Balki Bartokomous]

@worcej,

That is the explanation that you think is satisfactory and does not warrant any follow-up?

I think Temasek is town. He isn't a veteran or someone I consider 'good' - he strikes me as just bad town trying to live.

You think that explanation is so damn adequate that I shouldn't ask questions about it and I'm scum for trying to follow-up?

You think he's town because he strikes you as bad town?

That's not enough.

[Foxcastle]

Jamie is very far from obv town. he was part of a mislynch and has questionable reads

"Part of a mislynch"? It's entirely possible that there were no scum on Tem's wagon.

Eh?

I'm not saying that Jamiet isn't scum or that there isn't scum on Tem's wagon. I am saying that we need to consider possibility that there aren't, though, especially if Worcej is town.

[Foxcastle]

Shit, almost missed my chance to hit submit on this!

I think Balki is town, but needs to be watched closely (not Watcher-watched—or rather, maybe Watcher-watched, but my point is monitor him, because scum-Balki can lead town around by the nose.) Jamiet, Brainbomb, Flum, kgray, xorxes, and proooobably rdrivera also seem like town to me.

I have been thinking about Worcej and how maybe he isn’t scum. I wasn’t wrong to call him on leaving his vote on me for no reason, but maybe I pushed back more than I needed to because I was irritated at him for it, and the ensuing conflict probably didn’t help me think as clearly as I should. As another point, his view that he laid out in post 1158 is too inane for him to be scum, I think—if you know you’re town, you should always try to survive over another player that you cannot know is town. And yet another, I doubt scum would proclaim that being right on a mislynch validated them as town. He has been surly and unhelpful as town before, but it would be nice if he would break out of that mindset, because if he’s town, getting himself mislynched for being an asshole is not helping us win.

Nulls are Bozo, EMC, Damo, Pjandy, and sulit’s slot.

I don’t have strong scumreads, but I’d look for it in Vecna, Chaqa, Bo, and maybe BunnyGo. Although I am also sure that not all of them are actually scum.

[brainbomb]

I got an idea.

lets just derail the game into total absurdity.

[Fluminator]

Bush did 911

[Balki Bartokomous]

Bush did 911

CC

[worcej]

Phase has Ended. Please Hold.