MAFIA 49 -Avengers "Re-release"- GAME THREAD [HIDDEN]

[damo666]

##vote Vapor

@townclears I assume one of you received s stone from dargo. Please use wisely. I would suggest someone who is predominantly townread. That way we either get another townclear or uncover deepscum. Food coats for example.

The stone can be used only next day, so we need to find scum for ourselves today.

Soz. St first opportunity.

[Chaqa]

##vote Vapor

@townclears I assume one of you received s stone from dargo. Please use wisely. I would suggest someone who is predominantly townread. That way we either get another townclear or uncover deepscum. Food coats for example.

The stone can be used only next day, so we need to find scum for ourselves today.

Soz. St first opportunity.

I believe the stone is off Cooldown on day 5, since it was used night 3.

[foodcoats]

GG darg

[foodcoats]

##VOTE Vaporwave

[foodcoats]

@townclears I assume one of you received s stone from dargo. Please use wisely. I would suggest someone who is predominantly townread. That way we either get another townclear or uncover deepscum. Food coats for example.

I strongly disagree with this approach. Use the stone to look for scum, not town. Town clears do not have fundamentally better opinions than uncleared town, so we can't just sheep clears to win. It improves our POE but we can still be wrong in the end. Scan me if you think I'm scum, but do not scan me or anyone else if you think the result will be town. You should be trying to nail scum.

Scanning for scum is a "dominant" strategy, it is unequivocally better than scanning for town.

[damo666]

@townclears I assume one of you received s stone from dargo. Please use wisely. I would suggest someone who is predominantly townread. That way we either get another townclear or uncover deepscum. Food coats for example.

I strongly disagree with this approach. Use the stone to look for scum, not town. Town clears do not have fundamentally better opinions than uncleared town, so we can't just sheep clears to win. It improves our POE but we can still be wrong in the end. Scan me if you think I'm scum, but do not scan me or anyone else if you think the result will be town. You should be trying to nail scum.

Scanning for scum is a "dominant" strategy, it is unequivocally better than scanning for town.

Scan food

[Chaqa]

@townclears I assume one of you received s stone from dargo. Please use wisely. I would suggest someone who is predominantly townread. That way we either get another townclear or uncover deepscum. Food coats for example.

I strongly disagree with this approach. Use the stone to look for scum, not town. Town clears do not have fundamentally better opinions than uncleared town, so we can't just sheep clears to win. It improves our POE but we can still be wrong in the end. Scan me if you think I'm scum, but do not scan me or anyone else if you think the result will be town. You should be trying to nail scum.

Scanning for scum is a "dominant" strategy, it is unequivocally better than scanning for town.

+100 Food either best towny or best deep cover scum

[damo666]

@chaqa is deftown

[Chaqa]

@chaqa is deftown

Damo is defscum;)

[Maniac]

Psst….

Come closer.

Listen carefully, for what I am about to disclose may affect the whole of the game. Some will say that this is just a handsome man’s fantasy, a tall story from a raving Maniac. But I tell you as sure as eggs are eggs, that I may have a key (not THE key, you understand), but a key. One little piece that may help us all solve this Gordian Knot of puzzle that, at the moment, is frustrating us all. Well not scum and the SK, they probably aren’t frustrated at all and are probably purring whilst the Town eats itself.

Anywho, back to my story. Like all good stories it starts at the beginning; Day 1. On Day 1, we’re all excited to be playing, joking around, feeling one another out. Perhaps we’re hoping for a scumslip that we can seize upon or perhaps we are itching to use our vast intellectual brain power to construct a case that the Supreme Justices themselves would simple marvel at and award us judgment, with costs, before hoisting us onto their shoulders and parading us down the high street. But others are not excited nor are they looking to solve a puzzle. They may be apprehensive even anxious. They want above all else to stay alive. Some will take comfort in the fact that they have friends, a brotherhood (or sisterhood) that has their back and will protect them when the smelly stuff hits the fan. But there is one who walks among us that has no friends. They will be feeling the world is against them. Everyone wants them dead. Angels and Demons fear them and fear what they can become. They know they must first stay alive, but also they know they must thrive or surely their death will come soon enough. In their darker moments they will console themselves that they have a shining stone and, perhaps more importantly, knowledge. Knowledge that no one else has. Knowledge that can perhaps, if used wisely, see their powers expand. This knowledge fuels their bloodlust. They will kill to get what they want and the innocent victims won’t even see them coming. At this moment on Day 1 the innocent victim does not know there is a target on their back; a bounty on their head. They do not yet know the gallows steps are being constructed for their final footsteps. The rope is being tied and it’s length measured.

The scene is set. Let us now see the cast of characters.

Enter stage left a buffoon; a man of many names currently using the nom-de-plume ND. He has a jokey style but is short on words. He doesn’t appear to work with teammates from either faction and seems uninterested in the world around him. He does enough to obey the rules, but no more. He is instantly disliked by a number of people. Some of them are good people, Jamie, Yuuki and Bozotheclown. The jury is still out on others who tried and failed to send this fellow to his end. Chaqa, foodcoats Foxcastle and Vaporwave joined the three good men. Their motives are not yet know, but they failed in their task. They failed by the slenderest of margins. It was so close. Only a powerful stone saves ND’s neck from breaking. But who would use that stone and why?

Well that’s a good question dear reader. We can, of course, only speculate. Did ND himself conjure up the magical powers of the stone to save his skin? It’s not unlikely. He would have known that using such a power would perhaps give away the stone’s holder’s position. Sure enough there was much speculation about the stone holder once the first day had ended. Not much speculation about our anti-hero ND though. He had perhaps deflected any scrutiny by being absent from the lynch mob that saw poor bozotheclown hang from the cord.

Bozotheclown’s death, of course, can’t be blamed squarely on the wicked. Misguided townfolk like BunnyGo and Brainbomb also bear some responsibility as does the man proclaiming to be the doctor. Nephthys rdrivera2005, Kitsune, and KalelChase also lead bozotheclown to his demise for reasons we have yet to know.

So day 1 perhaps provided the tiniest glimpse of a scent of a clue that ND should be watched. He then quickly changed his disguise and re-emerged as Sulit; a self proclaimed veteran of the game.

Sulit arrival saw a change of pace and volume. A regular short poster with not much to say but interspersed with longer posts that, contrary to his earlier persona, looked like they were trying to build cases. In the whole of Day 2 he only votes for one person; the very handsome Maniac. That wasn’t unusual in and of itself, the world and his wife wanted to see the handsome man swing; but fate intervened. Charming men are often charmed and our hero, who had dodged a bullet earlier in the day, was saved by a contortion of time itself. This must have left Sulit feeling cheated. But he had some time to seek his revenge. Stubbornly he continues to rally the lynch mob on to our hero Maniac, using every asset he has avail to him, including perhaps the powerful stone that rests in his pocket. What other explanation is there for the vote on Yuuki being reduced by one?

Fortunately for town and the whole universe the cunning plan to lynch Maniac failed and for the third time the obituary writers would have to wait.

Nighttime comes and goes and Maniac is spared yet again. The wicked men (and perhaps women) who walk among us know that it is surely a matter of time before town mislynches him.

Day three still sees most people baying for the blood of a handsome man. Sulit can’t rely on them to coalesce around his target so he preaches at them with a fake case, begging them to rid him of his tormentor. He is not doing this to benefit the town of course, He merely wants to get his sweaty hands on the stone that Gamora/Maniac doesn’t even know for sure he is carrying. With it he will unleash a firestorm that will make Town cower. Town is already in a hole. Helping Sulit murder Gamora/Maniac will be digging that hole deeper and wider. Deep and wide enough for all our graves.

This story is, of course, ongoing. It has not ended. We do not know if there will be a twist. Everyone will write their own script and everyone will play their own part. I’m not afraid of death. If I don’t see the end of the book and die a glorious hero, then so be it. But I want to see how this chapter ends. I want to see my pursuer fail. I need the satisfaction of knowing my stone will not fall into enemy hands. We, as a town, must come together and defy the overwhelming power of the power stone and lynch Sulit. I will happily then tie the rope around my own neck as long as only confirmed town can be close to the gallows so that they can catch the stone as it falls from my lifeless hand. With it we can then perhaps stem the rising tide of town deaths and hit back at the wicked team that haunt our town.

I beseech you all to follow my lead and ##vote Sulit.

[Chaqa]

tl;dr lol no

[Chaqa]

Not saying Sulit can't be scum but following Maniac's lead on anything right now is silly. Vaporwave is the clear and undoubted correct lynch on an obvious scum today.

[Foxcastle]

Oh, I was going to vote Kitsune because I didn't think Sulit was an option. But maybe Sulit is!

##VOTE SULIT

[Chaqa]

http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs?us ... rwave&g=49

This is all of Vapor's postings. Read it and tell me he isn't scum.

[Chaqa]

Day 2:

what people don't want or don't seem to realize is the fact that I have a fine nose that can accurately smell who's town

yeah, I might suck at finding scum, but my 'holy' men were right: worcej, bozo, xorxes, Jamie, Kit

Now I'm happy to place our lovely Maniac to my towncore, his banter with Jambo showed TvT shenanigans

Updating my listaments:

bomb - a wild card, I can see town most of the time, but I'm always deceived when it comes to bomb - not confident on him

BG - I love BG, but why was he agitated when people wanted him lynched D1, I'm not saying anything more, grab BG by his ears and do with him what seems good to you, he's null

Chaqa - guys, just listen to me for once, CHAQA IS TOWN - don't shoot or lynch him

damo - Damo is town, not as confident as I feel about Chaqa, but hey it's quite strong

dargo - wishy washy scum possibility but hey I'm not familiar with how dargo plays

Espresso - still a scumbo yesterday, today and tomorrow

foodcoats - hmmm, I suspect him as mentioned previously why

Foxy - mafia used their hooker on him so to me that's almost a clear, no reason to fake that sh..

KalelChess - not sure at all tbqh

ND/suli t - a scum candidate, but I'm not sure anymore, I feel like my vote on him sucks, I'm not clearing Suli t but someone pointed out how the wagon looked town, nobody suspicious was on EOD to save his butt, so I'll unvote..for
now

Neph - this could be scum eeek

rivera - I'm more confident in rivera being town, take this to the bank and cash the amount of moolah

Temasek - no clue

##VOTE Espresso, that's where I press because it needs to be done by someone

other candidates: Neph/foodcoats + Kalel/dargo...maybe even Yuuki

Kit was removed, no reason for town to remove Kit so that points to moofia taking him away

Jambo claimed vig and wasn't cc

What you're doing is nitpicking, same as Maniac did with 'only'

NOT ALL HOLY MEN from my list were HOLY

Of course, I won't find all townies, but those that I'm most certain of, were quite town

Have you skipped my tinfoil on Neph and rivera?

Anyway, receive my vote, feel it, smell, taste it, it's all over your body now

Cool targets for vig shots:
bomb - dargo - Espresso - Neph - Yuuki - KaleC

Poop targets:
Chaqa - damo - Maniac - rivera - suli t

Night 2:

BuG (town) - townie potty mouthed boy
Chaqa (town) - my man, nobody touch this guy or else...town

damo (scum candidate) - you scumbo, you dirty bird you, not giving a flying monkey after N1
dargo (null) - uncertain, I'm not familiar with any of gramps' dargo's meta

foodcoats (scum candidate) - ringleader
Fox (null) - was visited by mafia hooker so there's that

KalelCheese (null) - a shy fidgety newbie, not sure what to make of him
Kitsune (town) - townie who took a ride on a flying carpet


Maniac (town) - VT, I trust him with his reactions and he's so gutsy
ND/sulit - townie reactions but not that certain

Nephthys (scum candidate) - scumbo potential, Neph why you do this evil?
rdrivera2005 (town)

Temasek22 (scumbo)
same play as when he was scum

Here's some relevant posts. Analysis to follow in a bit.

[Chaqa]

yeah, I might suck at finding scum, but my 'holy' men were right: worcej, bozo, xorxes, Jamie, Kit

Now I'm happy to place our lovely Maniac to my towncore, his banter with Jambo showed TvT shenanigans

Vapor's Day 2 Read List is first of all incredibly telling. He posts that he was right about FIVE town reads, four of which are confirmed and the fifth (Kitsune) he reasons has to be town because why else would mafia Space Stone Kit (this to me points to Kit being mafia if Vapor is). He also town lists Maniac for... reasons?

if(Vapor scum) ---> Maniac/Kitsune +1 scum

His other reads are pretty hedgy or unexplained, but he throws shade specifically on Espresso (who has since Doc claimed), foodcoats, Sulit, Neph. He also outright clears Fox for the RB (which I think is actually strengthening the Fox is town argument).

Cool targets for vig shots:
bomb - dargo - Espresso - Neph - Yuuki - KaleC

Poop targets:
Chaqa - damo - Maniac - rivera - suli t

Oh look, the people he wanted shot were:
- Item Smith
- Vision
- Doctor
- Doctor Strange

and Neph/KalEl, who I admit could be scum, but interesting our four town members are in his good shot target, whereas several CONTENTIOUS people are in his bad shot target... including, LOOK AT THIS...

SULIT

Who he JUST SAID was scum THREE HOURS BEFORE THIS POST.

If Vapor is scum, Sulit is +200 scum

BuG (town) - townie potty mouthed boy
Chaqa (town) - my man, nobody touch this guy or else...town

damo (scum candidate) - you scumbo, you dirty bird you, not giving a flying monkey after N1
dargo (null) - uncertain, I'm not familiar with any of gramps' dargo's meta

foodcoats (scum candidate) - ringleader
Fox (null) - was visited by mafia hooker so there's that

KalelCheese (null) - a shy fidgety newbie, not sure what to make of him
Kitsune (town) - townie who took a ride on a flying carpet


Maniac (town) - VT, I trust him with his reactions and he's so gutsy
ND/sulit - townie reactions but not that certain

Nephthys (scum candidate) - scumbo potential, Neph why you do this evil?
rdrivera2005 (town)

Temasek22 (scumbo)
same play as when he was scum

Night 2, new info here is the Yuuki lynch. How did this change his reads?

Bunny (null -> town)
Damo (town -> scum... why?)
LOOK AT THIS:

Day 2: "damo - Damo is town, not as confident as I feel about Chaqa, but hey it's quite strong"
Night 2: "damo (scum candidate) - you scumbo, you dirty bird you, not giving a flying monkey after N1"

Sulit (null/scum -> town)
Temasek ("no clue" -> scum)

Everything about this reads list is so hedged, fake, random, arbitrary, and SCUMMY.

Anyone who denies this is clearly anti-town.

@Jamiet @ EP @TEMASEK

I URGE you to join me on Vaporwave. We need town consensus so we can have everyone else self-vote to ensure that when Vapor flips, if he has any of the mafia's stones, only non-SK people (and preferably only town clears plus one or two other trusted town) are on the lynch.

[Maniac]

@Chaqa - it’s an interesting idea to get people to self vote now and get confirmed Town to carry out a Lynch and catch any stones, but then what happens? At night scum can kill one person and get their stone and steal from someone else on the lunch before those stones can be passed on.

Is that what you want?

[Chaqa]

Basically, my thinking is:
1. Thanos can have at most 2 stones right now (assuming Dargo didn't fuck up giving the Mind Stone to Thanos). This means we need the winning wagon to be 3 votes ahead of any other wagon.
2. We have three town "clears" (Jamiet, Espresso, Temasek) - really only Jamiet is 100% clear, but for this purpose we assume they're all clear. Therefore, we need at least 1 more person to vote for Vapor.
3. We want, more than anything, for Thanos to not get the stone, so SK candidates should NOT be on this wagon (this means Rivera, Kitsune, Kalel) - as I am fine clearing Neph of being SK based on the Bunny stuff.

Therefore, my plan:
1. Everyone self-vote except, in order of how many votes we need to secure this lynch:
Jamiet/Espresso/Temasek > Chaqa/Foxcastle > Neph/foodcoats > Maniac/sulit

The following NEED to self-lynch:
- Kalel
- Rivera
- Kitsune
- Damo

Vapor will not play nice, or may pretend to.

This is our best bet for today for dealing with obv scum Vapor.

[Foxcastle]

I'm liking what Chaqa is doing here.

[Kitsune]

I'm sure you do Fox.

But then I'm still not reading Vapor as scum by gut or logic, while my gut check on you is coming back with a different reading entirely.

I think this isn't the best plan and there has to be something more constructive we could be doing, but for the time being here's the tacit answer to my question to Chaqa.

So;

##vote Kitsune