iNHERITING MISSED TURNS

[Kingdroid]

so, when you take over a game do you not get an excused turn? I'm p sure I just ate a CD for missing 1 phase all game bc of this in a game i took over.

[BobMcBob]

No, you don't get another excused missed turn, to stop the game from being continually delayed by repeated NMRs from the same country (it happens). There are some annoying problems with the system, but that's the way it is at the moment.

[Kingdroid]

Unfortunate. I had a busy weekend and missed a phase and have eaten a CD for it :/ Is there a way it can be fixed to "earn" back the missed turn. For example, I took over this game in the very first phase , and finally "CD'd" about 3 years later. this seems like a somewhat reasonable amount of time to be given the beenefit of the doubt. Idk, i jsut hate seeing my RR get tanked so hard from 1 missed turn.

[gimix]

Same here. My current record is 1 missed phase out of 348: it's 0.287% so my real RR is 100%, or at the very least 99%, while i'm at 88% ( because of a 6% recent delay penalty (i suppose it will go away soon) and a 5% *yearly* delay penalty (i'm afraid it will be lasting longer?).
I can see the logic behind these penalties, and i heartily agree with that since i know well how frustrating it is to be waiting for players who won't set their orders; but i think the algorithm should be more like the "rating value - standard deviation" approach of TrueSkill or Glicko - the penalty would possibly be even harder, but the recovery would be much quicker

[BunnyGo]

And why does my record not show all the "CD taken over" that I've done?

[diplomat61]

I feel we should get some credit for taking over a CD, particularly an unwinnable position just to keep the game moving.

[Chaqa]

I think that the excused turns should reset when you takeover a country, personally.

[Claesar]

so, when you take over a game do you not get an excused turn? I'm p sure I just ate a CD for missing 1 phase all game bc of this in a game i took over.

Working as intended. Not a bug.

... and finally "CD'd" about 3 years later. this seems like a somewhat reasonable amount of time to be given the beenefit of the doubt.
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You managed to submit 6 order sets? I personally don't feel that's a reasonable amount of time.
That said, it's an interesting suggestion to be able to earn back an excused turn (as a replacement player) after a certain amount of time. Perhaps that's something we'll think about for the future, though I imagine it's hard to code.

I think that the excused turns should reset when you takeover a country, personally.

We disagree. While that would indeed be more fair to the player taking over a CD, it would cause even more grief to the other players who already have been delayed.

so, when you take over a game do you not get an excused turn? I'm p sure I just ate a CD for missing 1 phase all game bc of this in a game i took over.

That's correct; when you take over a CD position you effectively join a game with 0 excused turns.

[Kingdroid]

tbf, 6 is not reasonable, but there were so many other missed turns during that time that it took like 2 weeks, so to me, it feels like a lot (and I would've gotten a lot more in that time had that not happened)

but, i do think it's unreasonable to take over a game and eat a CD after 1 missed turn lol. I mean, that happens for literally nobody else, and, frankly, it makes taking over games risky and disincentives it, which is pretty much the exact opposite of what you want.

[Chaqa]

so, when you take over a game do you not get an excused turn? I'm p sure I just ate a CD for missing 1 phase all game bc of this in a game i took over.

Working as intended. Not a bug.

... and finally "CD'd" about 3 years later. this seems like a somewhat reasonable amount of time to be given the beenefit of the doubt.
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You managed to submit 6 order sets? I personally don't feel that's a reasonable amount of time.
That said, it's an interesting suggestion to be able to earn back an excused turn (as a replacement player) after a certain amount of time. Perhaps that's something we'll think about for the future, though I imagine it's hard to code.

I think that the excused turns should reset when you takeover a country, personally.

We disagree. While that would indeed be more fair to the player taking over a CD, it would cause even more grief to the other players who already have been delayed.

so, when you take over a game do you not get an excused turn? I'm p sure I just ate a CD for missing 1 phase all game bc of this in a game i took over.

That's correct; when you take over a CD position you effectively join a game with 0 excused turns.

Players who take over positions are doing a favor to the game and to the other players. Rewarding them with an excused turn is reasonable to me. What's the incentive, otherwise?

[bo_sox48]

Nothing, other than the fact that they're free and often fantastic positions that you can ride to an easy draw/solo.

[Matticus13]

If you might CD, don't take it maybe? No one is forcing you to take the game over.

[Kingdroid]

Nothing, other than the fact that they're free and often fantastic positions that you can ride to an easy draw/solo.

"often" fantastic for a free solo? lmao. dont joke. free, yes. but I think players taking over abandoned positions should be afforded the same considerations as thep layer who abandoned it was.

[Kingdroid]

If you might CD, don't take it maybe? No one is forcing you to take the game over.

i didn't think I would, but stuff comes up when a game ends up taking forever (due to it being a world diplo game where nearly every country missed a turn), so when i took it over, My schedule was super clear, about a few weeks later and only 6 phases had processed, something came up, and i missed a turn,which is exactly what the "excused missed turn" system is designed for.

i dont take up games i might legit cd, but i cant discount missing a turn once during a month lmao.

I see you've never started a game and CD'd, eh, Matticus?

[diplomat61]

Nothing, other than the fact that they're free and often fantastic positions that you can ride to an easy draw/solo.

Often? No way! Most abandonments that I see are positions that are destined to lose.

[jmo1121109]

I do believe I covered this several times in the roll out of this feature, but here we go again.

There is a position in a game which started with 4 excused missed turns. The first year someone delays the game all 4 times (4 days). Now a new player to the site jumps in the game, decides they hate it and delay it 1 day. Now another new player jumps in, decides they aren't gonna play it, and delay it another day, now your third replacement is engaged and stays. The game has been delayed 6 days. As opposed to the 12 days this would have taken under the proposed change of excused turns resetting. Additionally if someone joins a game, CD's, takes it back over, under this proposed system they'd be getting back all their excused missed turns. Letting them hold games hostage for days.

The goal of excused missed turns is to prevent NMR's without overly delaying games. Which is why we limited the delay time to 24 hours max (though this does have a bug in some cases) and don't allow resetting of NMR's. I believe that tobi at vDip will be looking at a solution that might let people earn excused missed turns back when taking over a position but it definitely wouldn't be within 3 years. More like 5 or 10.

[Kingdroid]

tbf, as i said, the 3 years took way longer than 3 years would normally take, due to the nature of a world diplomacy game having a lot more ppl to delay the game length. i sure was in that game for way longer than you would be in any normal game, considering the phase length

[Kingdroid]

also feel it's a bit unreasonable to eat a CD over 1 missed phase, regardless, but whatever. lesson learned, i will no longer be taking over abandoned positions. Not worth risking my RR if something were to arise irl. I have a pretty good track record of not missing turns, so it's quite disappointing that if i miss a phase in a taken over position it can wreck it, when I can just play fresh games and be given much more leeway

[Chaqa]

I'm not saying you'd get a full suite of new excused turns, that's a slippery slope you're presenting, jmo. Giving a takeover 1 (even if it needs to be earned) isn't extreme.

[Matticus13]

If you might CD, don't take it maybe? No one is forcing you to take the game over.

i didn't think I would, but stuff comes up when a game ends up taking forever (due to it being a world diplo game where nearly every country missed a turn), so when i took it over, My schedule was super clear, about a few weeks later and only 6 phases had processed, something came up, and i missed a turn,which is exactly what the "excused missed turn" system is designed for.

i dont take up games i might legit cd, but i cant discount missing a turn once during a month lmao.

I see you've never started a game and CD'd, eh, Matticus?

A couple years ago when I left the site for over a year. I did try and find a replacement. I'm not excusing my CD. I'm saying I don't think you have a legitimate gripe.