MAFIA 52: You Can't Take The Sky From Me [HIDDEN]

[bozotheclown]

We can't think of the D2 lynch only. How are you expecting to sort the VTs?

Three more nights of PR information may help, four more nights if we lynch the wrong Companion claimant.

D2: lynch worcej
D3: lynch fake Doctor
D4: lynch fake Companion, hopefully

That gives our PRs N2, N3, and N4 to hopefully learn something about the VT claimants and the new Reavers.

We have a cop, watcher, commuter, and roleblocker, a doctor and guard to protect them, and doctor and roleblocker backups in the VTs. I think we will learn something in three nights.

[teacon7]

D2: lynch worcej
D3: lynch fake Doctor
D4: lynch fake Companion, hopefully

That gives our PRs N2, N3, and N4 to hopefully learn something about the VT claimants and the new Reavers.

Why is that order better than fake companion first? If we're wrong about first companion, it is better now than after the replacement could have been reavered.

1) We get very little info from a companion CC lynch right now. We're going to do it eventually - it'll be more fruitful later on.
2) if we mislynch, we lost the rb action later on.
3) damo could theoretically scan one of the two of them.

[bozotheclown]

Three more nights of PR information may help, four more nights if we lynch the wrong Companion claimant.

D2: lynch worcej
D3: lynch fake Doctor
D4: lynch fake Companion, hopefully

That gives our PRs N2, N3, and N4 to hopefully learn something about the VT claimants and the new Reavers.

Why is that order better than fake companion first? If we're wrong about first companion, it is better now than after the replacement could have been reavered.

OK, we could go for the Companion first. While on that subject, what do you make of Kalel's crumbs? I think it disproves the idea that Kalel chose to CC Superstition because it was the most questionable claim.

[Jamiet99uk]

@Bozo how do you defend yourself against the case Goldfinger has made against you?

It is incorrect.

An astounding rebuttal. Tremendous. This completely reverses my read of you, Bozo. You are not a clown but a gentleman, a townsperson of the highest standing. That is clear to me now. With this succinct, concise, and entirely convincing argument you have eliminated yourself from suspicion. How could I have doubted you?

[peterlund]

Also it wouldn't matter if there were other wagons with one or two votes, Xorxes extra votes would change order.

This seems like a great idea.

Has the GM confirmed that the 2 extra votes of an active captain will change the order of how the VC is written?

[xorxes]

Chucking a firework here...

Was Bunny reavered?

You know, I had a feeling this was possible as well, and his refusal to commute makes me wonder.

Saving his commute for later makes perfect sense. Why are so many people intent on making PRs waste their powers?

[Chaqa]

Earlier we had somewhat narrowed down the RP to this list:
teacon
darg
rdrivera
damo
wo​rcej
Jamie
Goldfinger
Kalel
BunnyGo

Removing the known entities:

wo​rcej
Jamie
Goldfinger
Kalel

I think it's pretty likely that either:
1 - Jamiet is RP and infected xorxes (soon to be proven true or false)
OR
2 - worcej is the RP and perhaps the three targets he listed are people he plans to Reaver - notably making them his targets so that THEY WON'T BE KILLED while he is alive, in order to guarantee another Reaving?

Maybe. Or it could be a VT claimant but that seems less likely to me.

[bozotheclown]

@Bozo how do you defend yourself against the case Goldfinger has made against you?

It is incorrect.

An astounding rebuttal. Tremendous. This completely reverses my read of you, Bozo. You are not a clown but a gentleman, a townsperson of the highest standing. That is clear to me now. With this succinct, concise, and entirely convincing argument you have eliminated yourself from suspicion. How could I have doubted you?

Don't feel bad for making a mistake.

[Jamiet99uk]

@Bozo how do you defend yourself against the case Goldfinger has made against you?

It is incorrect.

An astounding rebuttal. Tremendous. This completely reverses my read of you, Bozo. You are not a clown but a gentleman, a townsperson of the highest standing. That is clear to me now. With this succinct, concise, and entirely convincing argument you have eliminated yourself from suspicion. How could I have doubted you?

Goldfinger, look at this, please. Bozo has made your arguments against him look very foolish indeed. How exposed you must feel.

I demand that you apologise to Bozo at once, and with great sincerity. Truly, we are like ants next to this titan of a man.

I feel truly ashamed, and you should also.

[BunnyGo]

Mafia and Reavers need BH dead to win.

Town does not need BH dead to win.

We're currently wasting a lynch to do their job for them. Every scum is onboard with this plan.

Are we even getting info from the lynch at least? None.

There’s a decent chance Worcej is Reaver. Why do you refuse to acknowledge this?

There's a decent chance any other of the scum candidates is Reaver as well. Or that they were Reavered. His BH claim is very believable in my opinion. He is not especially more likely to be Reaver than any of the other candidates.

I think he is. BH is a claim to delay lynching. This is a huge goal of the reaver. Especially if they didn’t convert last night.

[Chaqa]

Chucking a firework here...

Was Bunny reavered?

You know, I had a feeling this was possible as well, and his refusal to commute makes me wonder.

Saving his commute for later makes perfect sense. Why are so many people intent on making PRs waste their powers?

Did you not read my plan? It would allow our roleblocker to possibly prevent the mafia NK while also having the Reaver be commuted and neutralized a phase. Seems like a solid use of our commutes.

Bunny won't survive that long. If I were mafia, he'd be a priority kill.

[bozotheclown]

Also it wouldn't matter if there were other wagons with one or two votes, Xorxes extra votes would change order.

This seems like a great idea.

Has the GM confirmed that the 2 extra votes of an active captain will change the order of how the VC is written?

That is what is sounded like, but I have asked a GM question for confirmation.

[Jamiet99uk]

It is incorrect.

An astounding rebuttal. Tremendous. This completely reverses my read of you, Bozo. You are not a clown but a gentleman, a townsperson of the highest standing. That is clear to me now. With this succinct, concise, and entirely convincing argument you have eliminated yourself from suspicion. How could I have doubted you?

Don't feel bad for making a mistake.

Oh my. Bozo, your intellect and integrity are matched only by your forgiveness. Truly you are a man of virtue. I feel quite humbled in your shadow.

[xorxes]

D2: lynch worcej
D3: lynch fake Doctor
D4: lynch fake Companion, hopefully

That gives our PRs N2, N3, and N4 to hopefully learn something about the VT claimants and the new Reavers.

Why is that order better than fake companion first? If we're wrong about first companion, it is better now than after the replacement could have been reavered.

1) We get very little info from a companion CC lynch right now. We're going to do it eventually - it'll be more fruitful later on.
2) if we mislynch, we lost the rb action later on.
3) damo could theoretically scan one of the two of them.

Companion has a replacement who could be reavered if we wait to activate. That helps us to clear one of the VTs.

[goldfinger0303]

D2: lynch worcej
D3: lynch fake Doctor
D4: lynch fake Companion, hopefully

That gives our PRs N2, N3, and N4 to hopefully learn something about the VT claimants and the new Reavers.

Why is that order better than fake companion first? If we're wrong about first companion, it is better now than after the replacement could have been reavered.

1) We get very little info from a companion CC lynch right now. We're going to do it eventually - it'll be more fruitful later on.
2) if we mislynch, we lost the rb action later on.
3) damo could theoretically scan one of the two of them.

There's a backup companion, so imo if we're not lynching worcej, we're better off lynching the companion CCs. There's a similar chance that if we lynch among the VTs we'll hit backup companion or backup doc. damo should be trying to hit reaver or reaver targets.

[BunnyGo]

If worcej is not BH it will become apparent when the first BH target flips. We.'re not in danger of BH winning yet, and scum have as much incentive to stop him from winning as town anyway.

I proposed this plan way back and everyone shat on me for it... :/

I’m still shitting on it. It is shitty.

[goldfinger0303]

Also it wouldn't matter if there were other wagons with one or two votes, Xorxes extra votes would change order.

This seems like a great idea.

Has the GM confirmed that the 2 extra votes of an active captain will change the order of how the VC is written?

yes

[BunnyGo]

Chucking a firework here...

Was Bunny reavered?

Nope

[Chaqa]

I think we need to step back and decide: do we prefer to maximize information, or minimize mislynches? If we want to maximize info, we lynch a Companion CC, do the xorxes-vote plan, and have damo scan in the VTs.

If we want to minimize mislynches, we want to lynch worcej, do the xorxes vote plan, and scan in the Companion CC.

[xorxes]

D2: lynch worcej
D3: lynch fake Doctor
D4: lynch fake Companion, hopefully

That gives our PRs N2, N3, and N4 to hopefully learn something about the VT claimants and the new Reavers.

Why is that order better than fake companion first? If we're wrong about first companion, it is better now than after the replacement could have been reavered.

1) We get very little info from a companion CC lynch right now. We're going to do it eventually - it'll be more fruitful later on.
2) if we mislynch, we lost the rb action later on.
3) damo could theoretically scan one of the two of them.

1 why more fruitful?

2 no, because of replacemnt. We gain one more clear. We risk this not happening if reaver happens to convert the replacement tonight.

3 we don't know how long damo will live and how many scans he will be able to use. Scannng the VTs is more important.