MAFIA 44: 'DREAMLAND' GAME THREAD

[bozotheclown]

Alternatively,

You stick to my plan and you don't lynch either of us today. You let the alien be outed.

Even if we mislynch today, we still have an extra clear at every single step of the way thanks to your scan.

Are you truly so confident in our endgame scumhunting you're willing to throw away a townclear?

If Percy cleans RagingIke today and emc does not provide more specific information about his claims, it might be worth it to go with your plan. Alternatively, if we lynched RagingIke today, your plan would be safer.

[bozotheclown]

I am starting to think the most obvious options are true, that dargorygel was the assassin, RagingIke is the secretary, and Ezio is the alien.

[Ezio]

Alternatively,

You stick to my plan and you don't lynch either of us today. You let the alien be outed.

Even if we mislynch today, we still have an extra clear at every single step of the way thanks to your scan.

Are you truly so confident in our endgame scumhunting you're willing to throw away a townclear?

If Percy cleans RagingIke today and emc does not provide more specific information about his claims, it might be worth it to go with your plan. Alternatively, if we lynched RagingIke today, your plan would be safer.

Yes ike would make it slightly safer. I will not be on the wagon b/c I must be on a different wagon from EMC. I haven't scumread ike much this game, but he's absolutely a viable lynch. I'm more worried about hitting scum than lowering alien's chances of winning, but Ike is absolutely a better lynch than ME today.

[Ezio]

I'm gonna make my vote ##Vote NO LYNCH. I do not want a nolynch, but here if EMC votes No Lynch it's absolutely clear he doesn't want to be outed.

[Ezio]

I am starting to think the most obvious options are true, that dargorygel was the assassin, RagingIke is the secretary, and Ezio is the alien.

That is natural. The most likely universe is absolutely that one. The good news is you get to have your cake and eat it too.

My plan will catch me as the alien just as well as it catches EMC. If I am the alien, you will know for certain. You will also have the votes to get him.

[bozotheclown]

I'm gonna make my vote ##Vote NO LYNCH. I do not want a nolynch, but here if EMC votes No Lynch it's absolutely clear he doesn't want to be outed.

If you and emc self vote and enough players suspect RagingIke to lynch him today, you could have your alien test with not too much risk. I would not want to risk going into D6 with the alien controlling more than 3 votes.

[Ezio]

I'm gonna make my vote ##Vote NO LYNCH. I do not want a nolynch, but here if EMC votes No Lynch it's absolutely clear he doesn't want to be outed.

If you and emc self vote and enough players suspect RagingIke to lynch him today, you could have your alien test with not too much risk. I would not want to risk going into D6 with the alien controlling more than 3 votes.

I feel like nolynch is a little more my style than a self vote, no ? If it makes y'all more comfortable I'll self vote instead.

[Ezio]

I'm gonna make my vote ##Vote NO LYNCH. I do not want a nolynch, but here if EMC votes No Lynch it's absolutely clear he doesn't want to be outed.

If you and emc self vote and enough players suspect RagingIke to lynch him today, you could have your alien test with not too much risk. I would not want to risk going into D6 with the alien controlling more than 3 votes.

Also I think most townies are gonna be lazy today and sheep whatever you tell them to do. If you want Ike to be the lynch, with me and EMC on different wagons, that's what today will be.

Is that what you want?

[Nephthys]

High key uncomfortable with anything that could catch ezio that he is comfortable with

##vote Vapor

[Jamiet99uk]

I have an announcement to make.

[Jamiet99uk]

:drumroll:

[Vecna]

I know y'all are 10000% confident and cocky that I'm absolutely confirmed the alien, but I ask you all to consider what the cost is of following through with this plan.

yes, if we mislynch a townie it puts us in a position where the mafia can throw the game to the alien, but it's still a guarantee the mafia will lose the game from that position.

It does, however, guarantee we don't mislynch a town here.

Sorry. What's your plan?

Are you saying we should all self-vote or unvote (if that's allowed?) and only have you and emc vote yourselves?

I actually mildly believe you Ezio, strange as that seems.

No. I'm saying we should scumhunt today, just like a regular game.

The only important part is that E.M.C and I are on different wagons. It makes it easier to see if E.M.C and I are on our own wagons, but everyone else still can be trying to catch scum.

Why are you so super focused on EMC only?

[Vecna]

Vecna has been coasting this game off of his towncred, but what scumhunting has he actually done? He's made many comments and everyone looking at him, myself included, has just gotten a super "towny" perception of him, but upon a reread I don't think there's anything inherently townie about him.

This goes for everyone in this game since its all been about mechanisms and alien hunting

[Vecna]

Oh and so everyone knows, I went on a ride last night.

I'm willing to bet RD switched myself and him. Sadly he made this play pretty obvious with how heavily he was "alien-reading" me.

? I don't know why you would lie about this but that would mean you were targeted with a kill, why on earth would that happen

Scum target me because they knew RD was the driver and thought I was the alien. If Scum were bad and targeted RD the NK would have been directed to me. RD expected me to survive the NK and thought he was docsaving himself.

If mafia expect this they simply target me with the NK. Whomever else RD targets is the person who dies.

Or you know, maybe Rdrivera simply targetted the outted doc or cop

[Vecna]

? I don't know why you would lie about this but that would mean you were targeted with a kill, why on earth would that happen

Scum target me because they knew RD was the driver and thought I was the alien. If Scum were bad and targeted RD the NK would have been directed to me. RD expected me to survive the NK and thought he was docsaving himself.

If mafia expect this they simply target me with the NK. Whomever else RD targets is the person who dies.

yeah aight that's actually fair

Why are you agreeing with the nonsense being spewed lol

[Vecna]

Although the plan makes sense if there is any doubt Ezio is the alien, I do not think it is a good idea to let him go into D6 controlling four votes unnecessarily. I would like to hear more from emc soon, though.

Why bozo? Why is it a bad idea to let alien go into tomorrow controlling extra votes? The alien will be outed. Everyone will have to lynch the alien to avoid a loss, but it will be a guarantee we hit the alien. There is no actual risk.

Here is why. There are 11 players left. After the lynch today there will be 10 players left. If dargorygel was the Alien Cop, that means the assassin is still in play, so two more players could be killed before D6. Therefore, theoretically, we could go into D6 with only 8 players left and the alien controlling 4 votes. If this were to happen, it would guarantee an alien victory.

Rdrivera will be resurrected though.

Theoretically Ezio's plan is -ok- but it just has a shitton of risks and annoying shit baked into it.

Considerations:
-If there is still an assassin around, why the fuck did he not insta kill the doc as soon as he was claimed to stop resurrections flying around? Or Bozo before outing his third result. Its a day shot.

-If there is only 1 scum around, and Rdrivera is brought back to life tonight, that gives us 4 living PR's alive including a cop. They would have zero chance of winning this, BUT they could throw the game to the alien. This would mean that to go along with Ezio's plan tonight, the doc would be FORCED to remove the infection tonight, instead of using his save on himself or the cop.

-Ezio is conveniently forgetting the most obvious and likely scenario to have happened: EMC is actually DNA doc and just got vested by MF. MF claimed he had given a vest to someone before dying didnt he?

[Vecna]

Unfortunately I wasted another cop scan N3 by scanning Ezio. At the time I suspected he was scum instead of the alien, and I thought that if he was cleared of being the alien he would be able to avoid the lynch for a while. Ezio is confirmed as not scum.

You didn't waste this scan. You only wasted the scan if town makes a mistake and lynches me.

There is even more incentive to wait here. There is now a HUGE cost if I'm not the alien as we will be throwing away a townclear. For what?


What does town gain from lynching me today instead of tomorrow?

False logic, because we loose a townclear regardless. Either you or EMC. There is no way around this.

[Vecna]

Here is why. There are 11 players left. After the lynch today there will be 10 players left. If dargorygel was the Alien Cop, that means the assassin is still in play, so two more players could be killed before D6. Therefore, theoretically, we could go into D6 with only 8 players left and the alien controlling 4 votes. If this were to happen, it would guarantee an alien victory.

Percy is bringing back RD and clearing an infection. Not a worry here.

The assassin could target Percy before he gets the chance.

I think percy is saying he already used it. Its a day action, so Rdrivera is guaranteed to be coming back tonight.

[Vecna]

In the universe where I am town and EMC is alien, there are still two scum in the game.

You guys mislynch me today.
EOD5
10 players left
7 town (minus 1 assassin shot whenever)
2 scum
1 alien (3 votes)

EON5
Rd comes back to life,1 town dies
10 players still
7 town(minus 1 assassin shot)
2 scum
1 alien(4 votes)

Panic mode ensues and you guys lynch EMC D6.
Scum NK town EON6 leaves
6 town (minus 1 assassin shot)
2 scum

y'all will have exactly 1 mislynch left and no clears.

I dno, even though I really want to disagree with everything Ezio tosses out there...

He might have a point here?

Like, if he is indeed town here - I could totally see him do this emotional outburst because he realizes this is the truth and the optimal way to go about it.

Assuming mafia is trying to win still, but from his POV that would be true since the assassin would still ahve to be alive.

[Vecna]

I want this shit resolved though. I like Ezio's defence and he's making a somewhat ok argument with his plan. But for me this only works to try and deduce his alignment. And even at that its just rubbish because of his earlier actions and because EMC just seems to have everything lined up perfectly.

The alien needs to die today. With a semi-unanimous vote.

The doc needs to be able to make his own choices tonight without being chained by some stupid plan. Period. This makes it harder for scum to kill off our PR's.

The best chance we have of actually catching the scum after lynching the alien is by surviving tonight with the cop and doc ALIVE.

If they both survive, Rdrivera comes back alive, and he can protect the cop, and its town auto regardless of how we handle this shit today.