MAFIA 44: 'DREAMLAND' GAME THREAD

[e.m.c^42]

This is actually a good point.

There is no reason to remove his infection tonight since it will allow us to catch the alien today.

But is he really infected?
We will base all the day on EMC unexplained read?

Lets pick this up tomorrow.

Scum should have no reason to kill Yavuz here (id hope) so I dont see how waiting one day with removing it should harm us?

well, that depends on whether you mean a day as in IRL day, or a day ingame (as in, until after EON today), or day ingame as in waiting until N4 to try xD

[Vecna]

Here's what I was remembering.

Neph is quite spicy

I'm digging his 'against the consensus' lean on Vecna, very gutsy

make love not war, you're both townies

Im probably biased, but....what?

Loving his takes, they're unique, it's a great task to try and kill Vecna and I'm enjoying his courage

The fact that he think you can be scum with such townie posts gives me the impression that he really respects you

Btw, I don't agree with him but sometime, you don't have to think alike in order to appreciate a different perspective

Yeah exactly, from enjoying it to being outraged because now he is the target himself. Not necessarily scummy, but sort of funny.

[Vecna]

If we can believe RagingIke's N2 role block claim and emc's N2 NK claim, the secretary is still around, so if dargorygel was scum, he was the assassin. That means he would not know who the other scum were, so I do not think there is much reason to think the scum reads of dargorygel were particularly accurate. I think chances are there are still 2 scum left.

If we can believe emc's claim that RagingIke was scanned for alien DNA with a positive result N2, then RagingIke is either the alien or was infected N2. If RagingIke is the alien and was role blocked N1 ans N2, he could not infect anyone yet. If RagingIke was infected N2 and yavuzovic has targeted him with the Reverse Alien DNA, there will not be a "second day phase" infected player D4. Either way, self voting on D4 is not likely to reveal anything.

The alien is immune to night actions, so he would still be infecting people

Is he? I wasn't sure if that's what night-immune implied.

For clarity:

##CALL GM: Does RB'ing the alien prevent a targeted infection?

Yeah now that the GM stated the alien can also be successfully targeted by the bus driver, im not so certain anymore either.

[thamrick]

Am I missing something? Why isnt that possible? Alien acts before kills but after army driver

We know that Ike wasn't infected N1. His vote would have been redirected.

So either he was infected N2, he's the alien, or emc is lying

We were talking about the hypothetical situation in which Darg was the alien, in which case the vote wouldnt be redirected.

Ahh... Tru tru

[yavuzovic]

Plot twist! Yav hasn't read his role PM.

I meant something like
"Although I'm not alien"
I know my role.

That was the sarcasm face I used. I know what you meant and that you know your role.

Oh.. sarcasm face

[yavuzovic]

I'm withdrawing my order to heal Ike then. Or shall we go for scums? Anyway I will withdraw and you must want me to use it if needed.

[Jamiet99uk]

After we kill alien at last, it's not a problem to give alien another day to hide. Maybe we can try to lynch another scum while alien is being uncovered.

What?

After we kill the Alien, the Alien won't be hiding, the Alien will be dead.

What is Yav talking about?

[ND]

##gm note: can the alien role be rb? Yes.

[RagingIke297]

Who else except
- Percy
- Vapor
- Yav
- Ezio
Is in the POE here?

Im still suspicious of Ike myself. Losing Xorxes on D2 like they did they mightve gotten desperate and decide to claim RB on themselves to try and look good.

Besides, note how they also only had one or two actions available. Roleblocking someone means they couldnt use the item thief. Im also weirded out a little by how Ike keeps repeating that he was roleblocked.

How much time passed between start of day and Ike claiming it? Because it wouldve been risky to claim RB if they did succesfully steal an item, which could out it.

Was ike one of the people voting Xorxes?

The first time it happened I waited to see if anyone would counter claim, second time I claimed almost immediately. I've said I've been role blocked 4 times, once because I got roleblocked D1, once becuase I got role blocked D2, once to make fun of someone for putting me in their scum pool and once because I said I was tired of being roleblocked.

I was not one of the people on Xorxes and I've stated my reason before

[rdrivera2005]

##gm note: can the alien role be rb? Yes.

So, if Ike is the Alien he hasn't infected anybody yet, lol.

[e.m.c^42]

##gm note: can the alien role be rb? Yes.

So, if Ike is the Alien he hasn't infected anybody yet, lol.

Lol yes. which is why I feel we should test if he's alien or not, since it's entirely possible there aren't any infectees -- wasting another day if we do self-votes again (and there's no one conf'd scum like worcej was to choose people to vote for)

[e.m.c^42]

but then, I'm prolly missing something right now xD

[Ezio]

Who else except
- Percy
- Vapor
- Yav
- Ezio
Is in the POE here?

Im still suspicious of Ike myself. Losing Xorxes on D2 like they did they mightve gotten desperate and decide to claim RB on themselves to try and look good.

Besides, note how they also only had one or two actions available. Roleblocking someone means they couldnt use the item thief. Im also weirded out a little by how Ike keeps repeating that he was roleblocked.

How much time passed between start of day and Ike claiming it? Because it wouldve been risky to claim RB if they did succesfully steal an item, which could out it.

Was ike one of the people voting Xorxes?

I assumed people would claim if they had an item stolen at the start of D3. Nobody claimed. Ike claimed RB shortly after, like 10 minutes.

Ike was not on Xorxes D2, Ike was on Worcej but didn't push the wagon at all.

[Vaporwave]

as for Vapor, I dunno if he's gotten infected by my Neph fanboying or something lol (but I'm glad I'm not alone in in xD)

haven't seen him mention Neph in the past like this, is the change in activity this game really that surprising for him to react like this?

Was never a fan of Neph, I was bewildered by his Vecna tunnel, I was fine with it because it appeared unusual but at the same time I disagreed with his take. Now he's pushing an obscure vision saying I'm 85% scum. I never had Neph as town and now that he neglects others and only concentrates on me makes the situation even more uncomfortable.

I also claim a trust in Vecna, first and foremost. But I'm nobody's fanboy

[Nephthys]

If we can believe RagingIke's N2 role block claim and emc's N2 NK claim, the secretary is still around, so if dargorygel was scum, he was the assassin. That means he would not know who the other scum were, so I do not think there is much reason to think the scum reads of dargorygel were particularly accurate. I think chances are there are still 2 scum left.

If we can believe emc's claim that RagingIke was scanned for alien DNA with a positive result N2, then RagingIke is either the alien or was infected N2. If RagingIke is the alien and was role blocked N1 ans N2, he could not infect anyone yet. If RagingIke was infected N2 and yavuzovic has targeted him with the Reverse Alien DNA, there will not be a "second day phase" infected player D4. Either way, self voting on D4 is not likely to reveal anything.

Reverse DNA is not an immediate-use item. It's listed in the order of night actions. I can withdraw the order. But if I use and Ike votes for someone isn't voted by others, we learn his identity.

This. There is no reason for us to use the item now. We just need Ike to agree to this plan.

[Nephthys]

are you okay, Mr Alien? I've caught attention upon Percy multiple times, I also predicted dargo to be scum

So now, because there's 0 chance to get Vecna, you thought trying it with someone else would be easier, eh?

Not with me, I'll withstand you to yer filthy face

Because Vecna essentially cleared himself with the Xorx vote I thought the chance of him being scum was negligible

I never voted Xorx

Apologies, it was the rb claim that made me sop pushing you, I forgot

[Nephthys]

Neph is completely different from his previous game

it's like it's a different person

there's funky smells surrounding him. I was utterly shocked when he went after Vecna

this is not normal

It is interesting that youre only outraged by him going after me now that he's targeting you though

To be fair, Vapor mentioned before that Neph was suspicious for suspecting you. Or possibly that he was town for it? I can't remember without going back. I know that he has mentioned Neph's reads of you before though.

He called me, and I quote, "Incredible"

[Nephthys]

@Vapor, Imma ask you directly,

How does me being incredible translate to you never being a fan?

Why are you so worked up about my case?

[Nephthys]

also, I'm not actually claiming cop per se

just that I have the info somehow :D

but Neph was a clean, clean boi

Knew it, got my townies right!

this is more or myself to remember where I'm standing with people

towns (might contain alien):
Neph
Jamiet
emc
Moscow
thamrick
Ezio

possible scums:
1 scum in bozo/rivera
yavuzovich
Ike

Never a fan of me? Bullshit.

[Nephthys]

Ah well, can the cop just scan Vapor tonight?