Mafia 41 - Sid Meiers Civilizaton Mafia - Official Game Thread

[damo666]

Voters to move off Bozo day 1 were:

Foxcastle
Worcej
Vecna (town).

So if Bozo was saved maybe the scumteam is Bozo/Foxc/Worcej+ a.n.o. (LQ would be my fav).

Now neither Bozo and worcej have a vote and LQ not gaining traction so

##vote Foxcastle. Apols if u r town doc.

Sorry forgot demonRHK. Maybe him as a.n.o.

[bozotheclown]

Voters to move off Bozo day 1 were:

Foxcastle
Worcej
Vecna (town).

So if Bozo was saved maybe the scumteam is Bozo/Foxc/Worcej+ a.n.o. (LQ would be my fav).

Now neither Bozo and worcej have a vote and LQ not gaining traction so

##vote Foxcastle. Apols if u r town doc.

Do you think Foxcastle was bussing me then moved his vote to try to save me by getting himself lynched?

[Nephthys]

OK Neph your TC list is those you would not consider lynching this phase. TC just a strange label but I understand now.

It was originally going to be a TC list but then I started putting in people that have to be above suspicion rn without being TC so i kinda devolved

[damo666]

Voters to move off Bozo day 1 were:

Foxcastle
Worcej
Vecna (town).

So if Bozo was saved maybe the scumteam is Bozo/Foxc/Worcej+ a.n.o. (LQ would be my fav).

Now neither Bozo and worcej have a vote and LQ not gaining traction so

##vote Foxcastle. Apols if u r town doc.

Do you think Foxcastle was bussing me then moved his vote to try to save me by getting himself lynched?

I see what you mean. When he moved from you to Squigs he put himself 2 in the lead. But if you were bussing each other perhaps you both decided that Fox was the better sacrifice and the late surge on ghug gave him an opportunity to self save. Mind you he could have self saved as town.

BUT why would townFox move from Bozo to Squigs thereby putting himself 2 in the lead?

[Foxcastle]

BUT why would townFox move from Bozo to Squigs thereby putting himself 2 in the lead?

I have explained this. If you want to be able to vote to save yourself later on, you cannot already be sitting on the counterwagon, because then your vote is just stuck. I had to get off what appeared to be the likely counterwagon. So I moved my vote to Squigs so I could see how the rest of EOD went and have maximum flexibility to vote when and where it was most likely to save me.

[Nephthys]

Wondering whether Jamie could actually be scum rn as well tbh

Just did an ISO

- He has voted for almost every single one of our TC/conf town (Xorx/Vecna/CFox/Ghug)
- He was high on Vecna's scum list (this assumes Vecna was the scum target)
- He seemed really confident early game, the kind you only have by knowing an advantage
- He doesn't usually bus his scum-mates

The rest becomes speculation BUT I think his false claim role is the Mayan, hence he knew he could push it so hard while having no effect, gaining some decent town cred for it.

[Nephthys]

BUT why would townFox move from Bozo to Squigs thereby putting himself 2 in the lead?

I have explained this. If you want to be able to vote to save yourself later on, you cannot already be sitting on the counterwagon, because then your vote is just stuck. I had to get off what appeared to be the likely counterwagon. So I moved my vote to Squigs so I could see how the rest of EOD went and have maximum flexibility to vote when and where it was most likely to save me.

To be fair, I think moving to the counterwagon with 11 minutes left is the right time as it gives that wagon more momentum

[Jamiet99uk]

Wondering whether Jamie could actually be scum rn as well tbh

Just did an ISO

- He has voted for almost every single one of our TC/conf town (Xorx/Vecna/CFox/Ghug)
- He was high on Vecna's scum list (this assumes Vecna was the scum target)
- He seemed really confident early game, the kind you only have by knowing an advantage
- He doesn't usually bus his scum-mates

The rest becomes speculation BUT I think his false claim role is the Mayan, hence he knew he could push it so hard while having no effect, gaining some decent town cred for it.

I am not the Mayan.

[Nephthys]

Wondering whether Jamie could actually be scum rn as well tbh

Just did an ISO

- He has voted for almost every single one of our TC/conf town (Xorx/Vecna/CFox/Ghug)
- He was high on Vecna's scum list (this assumes Vecna was the scum target)
- He seemed really confident early game, the kind you only have by knowing an advantage
- He doesn't usually bus his scum-mates

The rest becomes speculation BUT I think his false claim role is the Mayan, hence he knew he could push it so hard while having no effect, gaining some decent town cred for it.

I am not the Mayan.

I never said you were, I said you were in a position to fake claim it

[damo666]

BUT why would townFox move from Bozo to Squigs thereby putting himself 2 in the lead?

I have explained this. If you want to be able to vote to save yourself later on, you cannot already be sitting on the counterwagon, because then your vote is just stuck. I had to get off what appeared to be the likely counterwagon. So I moved my vote to Squigs so I could see how the rest of EOD went and have maximum flexibility to vote when and where it was most likely to save me.

OK thanks

[damo666]

Wondering whether Jamie could actually be scum rn as well tbh

Just did an ISO

- He has voted for almost every single one of our TC/conf town (Xorx/Vecna/CFox/Ghug)
- He was high on Vecna's scum list (this assumes Vecna was the scum target)
- He seemed really confident early game, the kind you only have by knowing an advantage
- He doesn't usually bus his scum-mates

The rest becomes speculation BUT I think his false claim role is the Mayan, hence he knew he could push it so hard while having no effect, gaining some decent town cred for it.

Interesting.

[Jamiet99uk]

Wondering whether Jamie could actually be scum rn as well tbh

Just did an ISO

- He has voted for almost every single one of our TC/conf town (Xorx/Vecna/CFox/Ghug)
- He was high on Vecna's scum list (this assumes Vecna was the scum target)
- He seemed really confident early game, the kind you only have by knowing an advantage
- He doesn't usually bus his scum-mates

The rest becomes speculation BUT I think his false claim role is the Mayan, hence he knew he could push it so hard while having no effect, gaining some decent town cred for it.

I am not the Mayan.

I never said you were, I said you were in a position to fake claim it

Well, now I have deliberately removed that possibility.

What do you make of that?

[Nephthys]

Wondering whether Jamie could actually be scum rn as well tbh

Just did an ISO

- He has voted for almost every single one of our TC/conf town (Xorx/Vecna/CFox/Ghug)
- He was high on Vecna's scum list (this assumes Vecna was the scum target)
- He seemed really confident early game, the kind you only have by knowing an advantage
- He doesn't usually bus his scum-mates

The rest becomes speculation BUT I think his false claim role is the Mayan, hence he knew he could push it so hard while having no effect, gaining some decent town cred for it.

Interesting.

Still don't think we should lynch him today though

[worcej]

Where are you located?

same as ghug

Shit, a lot of Washingtonians in the house then.

[Foxcastle]

BUT why would townFox move from Bozo to Squigs thereby putting himself 2 in the lead?

I have explained this. If you want to be able to vote to save yourself later on, you cannot already be sitting on the counterwagon, because then your vote is just stuck. I had to get off what appeared to be the likely counterwagon. So I moved my vote to Squigs so I could see how the rest of EOD went and have maximum flexibility to vote when and where it was most likely to save me.

To be fair, I think moving to the counterwagon with 11 minutes left is the right time as it gives that wagon more momentum

<Shrug> My view on how to play the end game is heavily influenced by watching Bozo in previous games, where he has used his vote decisively at the last minute. You can't do that if you're already on the second place counterwagon.

In any case, I was already voting for the counterwagon with 11 minutes to go. So no matter how many times I voted for Bozo at that point, he already had all the momentum I could give him.

[Nephthys]

I have explained this. If you want to be able to vote to save yourself later on, you cannot already be sitting on the counterwagon, because then your vote is just stuck. I had to get off what appeared to be the likely counterwagon. So I moved my vote to Squigs so I could see how the rest of EOD went and have maximum flexibility to vote when and where it was most likely to save me.

To be fair, I think moving to the counterwagon with 11 minutes left is the right time as it gives that wagon more momentum

<Shrug> My view on how to play the end game is heavily influenced by watching Bozo in previous games, where he has used his vote decisively at the last minute. You can't do that if you're already on the second place counterwagon.

In any case, I was already voting for the counterwagon with 11 minutes to go. So no matter how many times I voted for Bozo at that point, he already had all the momentum I could give him.

I'm not saying what you did was necessarily wrong but I strongly disagree with your logic.

Your vote change made there no actual counterwagon, there were 3+ on 2 as the second highest (No, Bozo, LQ). That movement detracts a significant amount of momentum from the bozo wagon

[damo666]

I am not the Mayan.

I never said you were, I said you were in a position to fake claim it

Well, now I have deliberately removed that possibility.

What do you make of that?

Are you Barbarian? If so, try targeting scum would you?

[worcej]

I really want to understand the logic of town players to vote for someone who claimed doctor in this setup right now. His claim, which was a little under the radar originally, was near when he would die to the lynch that ultimately swung to ghug.

Just to note: bozo and damo are the only two left who voted for Fox on D1 that we still don't know their alignment, the other 4 have been confirmed town via death. The likelihood that it was an all-town push for Fox seems slim.

Again: Sure, Fox could be scum, but as we approach possible-MYLO after N3, does it make sense to really go for Fox when there are definitely OTHER PEOPLE who are scum? If you are town on Fox right now, you seriously need to be absolutely confident he is scum.

[bozotheclown]

BUT why would townFox move from Bozo to Squigs thereby putting himself 2 in the lead?

I have explained this. If you want to be able to vote to save yourself later on, you cannot already be sitting on the counterwagon, because then your vote is just stuck. I had to get off what appeared to be the likely counterwagon. So I moved my vote to Squigs so I could see how the rest of EOD went and have maximum flexibility to vote when and where it was most likely to save me.

When you told us you were Askia, why didn't you tell us we should not be lynching the town doctor?

[Jamiet99uk]

I never said you were, I said you were in a position to fake claim it

Well, now I have deliberately removed that possibility.

What do you make of that?

Are you Barbarian? If so, try targeting scum would you?

God you're obsessed.

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