MAFIA 52: You Can't Take The Sky From Me [HIDDEN]

[xorxes]

I think it's kind of funny that only 4 people have claimed VT when there are five true VTs. Vecna is probably VT then.

[goldfinger0303]

Well, congratulations everyone, the scenario that seemed blaringly obvious happened. Now scum know who our PRs are, while we don't have a damn clue. Scum will now successfully hit PRs tonight while we are forced to potentially mislynch one of our own PRs. This is why the massclaim was stupid.

[Chaqa]

Then he wants the vig to shoot the one guy literally calling him out for his scam.

If you don't see how all of that is scum motivated then please never play this game again.

The fact you think xorxes is not the Captain is really hilarious.

If another Captain existed they would have nipped this in the bud a year ago.

[Chaqa]

As for gunshots.... I wouldn't shoot ND at this point.

If Xorxes refuses to confirm himself he may earn himself a bullet. Heh, heh.

If someone shoots xorxes they are the worst player of all time

Sounds like something vig!Jamiet would do (love you Jamie)

[Chaqa]

If someone shoots xorxes they are the worst player of all time

Not now, but if we reach the end of day and he refuses to confirm himself.

I probably won't reveal today. There's no need to, and the reveal is more useful later.

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##Vote xorxes

I don’t think you’re scum, and I do think you’re Captain, but you need to put up or shut up dude

[xorxes]

Only if the GM verifies all the claimants.

True. Odds Xorxes reveals of gets lynched today are near 100%

Agreed with Jamie. Xorxes controls my vote. And as lynching the captain is anti-town: I sure hope he reveals sooner rather than later if he can. I’m off to go sledding! Hope I’m back by EOD.

So you are much more interested in me revealing than in actually catching scum, I see.

[Chaqa]

If someone shoots xorxes they are the worst player of all time

Agree! No need to shoot xorx, as we are about to lynch him!!

But your behaviour Tom is getting more and more suspicious. Buddying the guy that refuses to let the GM confirm his claim. Scumpoints earned there Tom.

Why do you think it is so important to have xorxes confirm his claim immediately? Don't you think the real Captain would counterclaim at some point?

I do, but there’s a lot of players being obstinate about it and it would shut up ND and others

[bozotheclown]

With 11 PR claims we will need to make some calculations to decide the best point to make a full massclaim, but I guess it will depend on lynches/NKs.

##vote Flav

Voting xorxes is plain daft

So there are 10 town PR if the Twins count as PRs, and 5 VTs including the backups.

So far 8 PR claims and 4 VT claims. This will soon reach the point where it would become useful. Now that we're this far, I urge others to claim.

Agreed. We’ve reached critical mass - any holdouts now are clearly anti-town.

@xorx - you should reveal. It’s time.

I suggest you help consolidate the non-claimer vote and vote for peterlund.

[xorxes]

Well, congratulations everyone, the scenario that seemed blaringly obvious happened. Now scum know who our PRs are, while we don't have a damn clue. Scum will now successfully hit PRs tonight while we are forced to potentially mislynch one of our own PRs. This is why the massclaim was stupid.

We're not lynching a PR claimant today, don't be silly. There's many more scum in the other group.

[bozotheclown]

Well, congratulations everyone, the scenario that seemed blaringly obvious happened. Now scum know who our PRs are, while we don't have a damn clue. Scum will now successfully hit PRs tonight while we are forced to potentially mislynch one of our own PRs. This is why the massclaim was stupid.

We have considerable increased our chances of lynching scum today, as long as players stop voting for players claiming PR.

[xorxes]

Agree! No need to shoot xorx, as we are about to lynch him!!

But your behaviour Tom is getting more and more suspicious. Buddying the guy that refuses to let the GM confirm his claim. Scumpoints earned there Tom.

Why do you think it is so important to have xorxes confirm his claim immediately? Don't you think the real Captain would counterclaim at some point?

I do, but there’s a lot of players being obstinate about it and it would shut up ND and others

Why do you want to shut up high potential scum candidates?

[xorxes]

Is Superstition going to be replaced as well?

[worcej]

Xorxes I think you're town. I also think you're not playing pro town, in that you're refusing to get verified. Creating this mistrust differential is not pro town. What more do you expect to get from reactions?

Five players have reacted in an anti-town way by voting for an uncced PR instead of someone likely to be scum.

Or we think that the person claiming a town PR and choosing to not use the GM reveal is a little suspicious. I see no good reason to not verify his claim if I am supposed to act as if it is 100% true.

[worcej]

If the actual captain is out there, do you think it is in his best interests to claim?

Beginning a lot of catchup now. Also, HNY.

If xorxes is lying, no they shouldn't. They have strong vote powers that are needed to prevent mylo/lylo if they last that long. This is one reason why I think xorxes claiming early is a little off, but NAI overall because he knows he usually dies early.

What is HNY?

Happy New Year...

[xorxes]

Xorxes I think you're town. I also think you're not playing pro town, in that you're refusing to get verified. Creating this mistrust differential is not pro town. What more do you expect to get from reactions?

Five players have reacted in an anti-town way by voting for an uncced PR instead of someone likely to be scum.

Or we think that the person claiming a town PR and choosing to not use the GM reveal is a little suspicious. I see no good reason to not verify his claim if I am supposed to act as if it is 100% true.

You're not supposed to act as if it's 100% true. You are supposed to weigh the chances it is true vs the chances it is false. You are supposed to treat it a you would treat any unverified but uncced PR claim. It is in fact the only claim that could be counterclaimed at this point, and yet has not been counterclaimed.

[ND]

I have no clue what that moron Chaqa is talking about. But, yeah vote xorxes he is high probable scum.

He can end this at any time by verifying. The fact that he hasn't yet means it is very likley he is not captain. If he was the captain he would have just had the GM to verify his role and then started the whole mass claim plan.

[peterlund]

Excellent. So we know (at least) one PR claimant is lying (Kalel or Bunny are my top candidates). We can sort them out later.

If any of Flav/ND/peterlund/Superstition wants to claim PR they should do it now. Otherwise they are letting scum get away with a fake PR claim for no reason.

If they don't claim PR, we can assume they are claiming VT (which is kind of interesting, given that peterlund implied he was a PR).

##VOTE peterlund then.

What has happen now? Am I getting too disturbing to you now, saying too much that hurts your silly case? Before you seemed to townread me a bit and now suddenly you vote for me? Why this radical change suddenly?

And I note that your gang mates Tom and Bozo buddy you 100%, interesting!

[Chaqa]

I guess what I'm getting at is that massclaim makes sense regardless of xorxes role, so people connecting the two don't make sense to me.

I agree - but I also think xorxes claiming is just better for us at this point so the question isn’t lingering

[xorxes]

Excellent. So we know (at least) one PR claimant is lying (Kalel or Bunny are my top candidates). We can sort them out later.

If any of Flav/ND/peterlund/Superstition wants to claim PR they should do it now. Otherwise they are letting scum get away with a fake PR claim for no reason.

If they don't claim PR, we can assume they are claiming VT (which is kind of interesting, given that peterlund implied he was a PR).

##VOTE peterlund then.

What has happen now? Am I getting too disturbing to you now, saying too much that hurts your silly case? Before you seemed to townread me a bit and now suddenly you vote for me? Why this radical change suddenly?

And I note that your gang mates Tom and Bozo buddy you 100%, interesting!

I was townreading you because you had implied you were PR, but now we have 11 PR claims, so unless you want to be the 12th claimant, you were probably lying.

[peterlund]

I was townreading you because you had implied you were PR, but now we have 11 PR claims, so unless you want to be the 12th claimant, you were probably lying.

If that would be the case, that I would claim, why would the probability be higher that the last claimant would be lying compared to any of the first 11 claimants?