M61 - The Mastermind's Revenge - Game Thread - HIDDEN

[Jamiet99uk]

In retrospect, a mafia tree stump doesn’t make much sense

Why did you choose it then?
Or were you recruited and rolled stump at random?

[dargorygel]

In retrospect, a mafia tree stump doesn’t make much sense

So who's idea was it? Is this what you pushed for?

[Jamiet99uk]

Also @Fluminator: Well done on sticking to your read.

[Chaqa]

As if anyone would let me actively make decisions

[BunnyGo]

Finally. Nice job @@Flum.

But goddamn, he’s going to be annoying.

[Jamiet99uk]

As if anyone would let me actively make decisions

ALL HAIL KING STUMPY, LORD OF ALL EVIL

[Jamiet99uk]

Finally. Nice job @@Flum.

But goddamn, he’s going to be annoying.

You're not the Tree Stump, what's your excuse?

[BunnyGo]

Finally. Nice job @@Flum.

But goddamn, he’s going to be annoying.

You're not the Tree Stump, what's your excuse?

I’m a mathematician. It comes with the training.

[Chaqa]

I’ve been stockpiling EMC’s erotic stories just for this occasion...

[rdrivera2005]

The good part is we got the first scum. The bad part is we didn't get rid if Chaqa.

We still have a high hill to climb, but at least we still have a chance.

Tree Stump make me town clear Dargo as an original scum as I don't see scum recruiting Chaga and there's no need for 2 low cost roles. I think scum didn't realize the power FV had (I don't even know if GM
Intend to give that power for such a low value).

[kgray]

Oh thank god haha

[kgray]

Chaqa, I have to applaud you there. The way you pleaded with Flum to reconsider, even as there were just moments to go, really made you look like a town player panicking that the game was about to end. I didn't know you were such a good actor.

I think that EoD pretty much townclears Rdrivera, what do others think?

It does look good for Rivera. I wouldn't say townclears because there's the chance that it was a play to get him towncred knowing Chaqa was still going to be the flip, and I could see it if you and/or darg are also scum. But that seems pretty elaborate to me and not very likely.

[TheMadMonarch]

Chaqa, I have to applaud you there. The way you pleaded with Flum to reconsider, even as there were just moments to go, really made you look like a town player panicking that the game was about to end. I didn't know you were such a good actor.

I think that EoD pretty much townclears Rdrivera, what do others think?

Agreed.

[damo666]

Chaqa, I have to applaud you there. The way you pleaded with Flum to reconsider, even as there were just moments to go, really made you look like a town player panicking that the game was about to end. I didn't know you were such a good actor.

I think that EoD pretty much townclears Rdrivera, what do others think?

Agreed.

Pretty much condemns darg imo

[Jamiet99uk]

Chaqa, I have to applaud you there. The way you pleaded with Flum to reconsider, even as there were just moments to go, really made you look like a town player panicking that the game was about to end. I didn't know you were such a good actor.

I think that EoD pretty much townclears Rdrivera, what do others think?

Agreed.

Pretty much condemns darg imo

Talk us through that opinion, Damo my boy?

[Jamiet99uk]

I'll do the colour thing. Give me a few minutes.

[damo666]

Agreed.

Pretty much condemns darg imo

Talk us through that opinion, Damo my boy?

EOD voting looks well dodgy. And according to my theory either rdr or darg must be scum. Looking more like darg now.

[Jamiet99uk]

Day One

Fluminator (9) - BunnyGo, Jamiet99uk, dargorygel, damo666, kgray, seth24c, Maniac, Teacon7, 'The Double Vote'
Jamiet99uk (5) – Ghug, Fluminator, Chaqa, Hamilton Brian, bo_sox48
Teacon7 (2) – Vecna, rdrivera2005
Ghug (1) - Macca573
BunnyGo (1) – Bozo


Day Two

Hellenic Riot (7) - Jamiet99uk, seth24c, Hamilton Brian, dargorygel, Vecna, Maniac, Chaqa
Dargorygel (4) – BunnyGo, Hellenic Riot, Ghug, kgray
Maniac (3) - bo_sox48, Teacon7, rdrivera2005
Teacon7 (2) - damo666, 'The Double Vote'
Kgray (1) - Fluminator


Day Three

bo_sox48 (7) - rdrivera2005, Macca573, damo666, seth24c, kgray, Maniac, Ghug
seth24c (4) – BunnyGo, dargorygel, Chaqa, 'The Double Vote'
Maniac (2) - Jamiet99uk, bo_sox48
Kgray (1) - Vecna


Day Four

Ghug (6) - Jamiet99uk, dargorygel, damo666, kgray, Vecna, rdrivera2005
kgray (5) - Ghug, seth24c, Chaqa, Fluminator, 'The Double Vote'
seth24c (2) - Macca573, BunnyGo


Day Five

No‑Kill (7) - Jamiet99uk, kgray, dargorygel, BunnyGo, damo666, Chaqa, rdrivera2005
Chaqa (1) - Macca573
kgray (1) - Vecna
Macca573 - (0 - Due to Governor Protection) Fluminator


Day Six

Chaqa (8) - Macca573, damo666, dargorygel, Jamiet99uk, rdrivera2005, BunnyGo, kgray, Fluminator
rdrivera2005 (1) Chaqa

[Jamiet99uk]

Chaqa avoiding Dargorygel's wagon D2 doesn't look great for Dargorygel either, glancing at that lovely colourful post I've just made.

[TheMadMonarch]

My EOD thoughts.

Preface: I only read the last two pages before EOD.


Chaqa, and subsequently rdr:

Right at the end, chaqa started scrambling. He had not been doing this beforehand. We had said "maybe chaqa is town, he seems to not care about his death". He has seen this, and knows that a scramble will not look good for him.

If it was SvT, chaqa'a move would get rdr killed, thus winning the game. For him to come out of this encounter after a scramble, would make him look very bad, and probably be killed next.

If it were SvS, then not only would chaqa look bad that the next day, but rdr would also be dead. Much worse the letting himself die.

Chaqa is not dumb. Because he broke character to push hard right at the end, rdrivera is now in a good light.


Roles:

Chaqa flipped as the Mafia tree stump. What a choice, or was it? There have been some theories thrown around about mafia taking random roles, and I think that this supports them.

Think about it.

Starting with $90, recruit for $80, $10 left. They could spend that on day chat, or, leave it to use in a dire situation (such as some roleblocks approaching lylo).

It's not that they don't get roles if they don't purchase them, it's that they get random ones, and once they take the bonus member, randomness might just be their best shot at good roles. Additionally, having random roles would render discussions about their choices not only useless, but an active hindrance to town (since a scum could suggest reasonable solutions that they know they don't have).


Remaining scum:

To me, the safe town pool is:
Damo
Rdr
Me

Therefore, the possible scum is:
Dargo
kgray
Bunny
Jamie

If we take a look at the votes approaching EOD:
At one minute remaining, upon realizing that there is no hope of saving their friend chaqa and winning the game, kgray and dargo make the smart move and switch their votes over to Chaqa as cover.

Now, you may say, "why would the mafia take the FH, especially if they have the FV?" Well, if you take a look at my earlier theory, it's quite possible that this just happened to them. Or even, that kgray was the recruit (she's not a bad choice imo).

This leaves (to me), the final choice between Bunny and Jamie, but I will cross that bridge when I come to it.