M54: Not a Carrot Conspiracy

[damo666]

If there's a sudden block of votes near EOD that has 3 people, I think we'd notice.

Are you saying it doesn't matter if PZ knows their teammaets or not?

I think I'd prefer if they did.

They almost know one hhand something like a 50 50 guess on the other.

[damo666]

I’d like to know who you think that is.

Well it's not you nor kgray

I'd still like to know who you think it is. It is not "blindingly obvious" to me.

Well, does anybody else think there is a blindingly obvious townsperson?

[Balki Bartokomous]

Well it's not you nor kgray

I'd still like to know who you think it is. It is not "blindingly obvious" to me.

Well, does anybody else think there is a blindingly obvious townsperson?

You had someone in mind. Why not answer the question?

[bozotheclown]

I still think kgray is one of the mafia, for the reasons I previously stated, plus the fact that rdrivera got lynched over her D5.

##VOTE kgray

[bozotheclown]

I do not know who would get NKed if we no lynch, but letting the scum get rid of a town of their choice is not a great option now. It would be better to no lynch at 3-1 if we are able to get that far.

[Balki Bartokomous]

Balki Pep Talk

I also just want to say: It's game time. This is why we have votes every day, and we don't No Lynch. This is the fun part of the game that Vecna was so salty about missing. All townies need to go into solve mode.

We all have a ton more information than we had when we were going through this in real time. It is critical to go back through the game, with all of this new info in mind.

Put in the work. Put your confirmation bias goggles down. Go re-read with fresh eyes and more information.

This is time to try to solve the entire game. Not just to vote for one person for being "scummy." Try to figure out the whole mafia team, and consider the data points we have, and figure out if it works.

These are the kinds of things that would be really valuable to find upon re-read, and to bring back to the thread:

(1) Obviously town reads of scum reads.
(2) Sets of partners that do not make sense.
(3) Sets of partners that do make sense.

All of that prior stuff was about getting information to make this choice. We need to use it.

We need every townie doing the work. If any townie votes wrong, it's game over.

[Balki Bartokomous]

I still think kgray is one of the mafia, for the reasons I previously stated, plus the fact that rdrivera got lynched over her D5.

##VOTE kgray

Go do a re-read with no preconceived notion. You have tons more info now than you had when you "previously stated" this.

[kgray]

Kdray, what's your gut telling you about the game right now?
I've noticed you've been mainly relying on logic all game which can be great, but it makes it hard to read you since anyone can fake logic.

I haven't gone back to reread yet, so off the top of my head:

I don't trust Bunny at all, but I'm not sure why. Like I've said, that's based almost entirely on gut.

I think it's very possible that Balki's scum who has been encouraging me to go down this whole Fox/rdr train of thought. Granted, I really believed they were scummy, so I can't really say Balki is scummy for also pushing it. But, maybe rdr was right and Balki should know better. I don't know how good Balki is at solving, but I'm confident he's great at manipulation. So even when I townread Balki, I'm suspicious. And, I didn't like how he agreed with Bunny that I should be looked into, then didn't do that, and then started townreading me when I agreed with his Fox/rdr scumreads. It now seems to me like maybe he realized I'd do his dirty work for him.

I think damo might be scum. I don't know why he refuses to give any reasons for his reads, but it makes it impossible to figure out where he's coming from. Could be a tactic to allow him to changes his reads whenever convenient.

I don't really have any strong gut feelings about anyone else right now.

[kgray]

I still think kgray is one of the mafia, for the reasons I previously stated, plus the fact that rdrivera got lynched over her D5.

##VOTE kgray

Why do you think rdr being lynched over me makes me scummier?

[xorxes]

D1 town survey:

bozo: Balki, kgray, Jamie, xorxes, rdrivera
Jamie: xorxes, BunnyGo, kgray, sulit, rdrivera
xorxes: Jamie, brainbomb, bozo, damo, Foxcastle
rdrivera: Balki, xorxes, kgray, Fluminator, brainbomb
BunnyGo: kgray, Balki, Jamie, damo, xorxes
damo: Balki, xorxes, rdrivera, kgray, bozo
worcej: BunnyGo, brainbomb, kgray, Balki, bo_sox
sulit: Jamie, brainbomb, bo_sox, emc, ?
Temasek: Jamie, kgray, emc, ?, ?
kgray: Jamie, brainbomb, Foxcastle, bozo, xorxes
Foxcastle: Fluminator, xorxes, Balki, Jamie, ?

Flum, Balki: any special reason you didn't take part in this D1 survey?

[Balki Bartokomous]

D1 town survey:

bozo: Balki, kgray, Jamie, xorxes, rdrivera
Jamie: xorxes, BunnyGo, kgray, sulit, rdrivera
xorxes: Jamie, brainbomb, bozo, damo, Foxcastle
rdrivera: Balki, xorxes, kgray, Fluminator, brainbomb
BunnyGo: kgray, Balki, Jamie, damo, xorxes
damo: Balki, xorxes, rdrivera, kgray, bozo
worcej: BunnyGo, brainbomb, kgray, Balki, bo_sox
sulit: Jamie, brainbomb, bo_sox, emc, ?
Temasek: Jamie, kgray, emc, ?, ?
kgray: Jamie, brainbomb, Foxcastle, bozo, xorxes
Foxcastle: Fluminator, xorxes, Balki, Jamie, ?

Flum, Balki: any special reason you didn't take part in this D1 survey?

I did not understand why that would have any value.

[Balki Bartokomous]

D1 town survey:

bozo: Balki, kgray, Jamie, xorxes, rdrivera
Jamie: xorxes, BunnyGo, kgray, sulit, rdrivera
xorxes: Jamie, brainbomb, bozo, damo, Foxcastle
rdrivera: Balki, xorxes, kgray, Fluminator, brainbomb
BunnyGo: kgray, Balki, Jamie, damo, xorxes
damo: Balki, xorxes, rdrivera, kgray, bozo
worcej: BunnyGo, brainbomb, kgray, Balki, bo_sox
sulit: Jamie, brainbomb, bo_sox, emc, ?
Temasek: Jamie, kgray, emc, ?, ?
kgray: Jamie, brainbomb, Foxcastle, bozo, xorxes
Foxcastle: Fluminator, xorxes, Balki, Jamie, ?

Flum, Balki: any special reason you didn't take part in this D1 survey?

Xorxes, do you think that town survey has any value? What exactly? What is the point of color coding it and presenting it to us?

[Fluminator]

I didn't have any townreads day 1.

[Balki Bartokomous]

I don't know how good Balki is at solving, but I'm confident he's great at manipulation.

Hmmmm...why do you say this? Why are you "confident he's great at manipulation?" Can you flesh that out?

[xorxes]

D1 town survey:

bozo: Balki, kgray, Jamie, xorxes, rdrivera
Jamie: xorxes, BunnyGo, kgray, sulit, rdrivera
xorxes: Jamie, brainbomb, bozo, damo, Foxcastle
rdrivera: Balki, xorxes, kgray, Fluminator, brainbomb
BunnyGo: kgray, Balki, Jamie, damo, xorxes
damo: Balki, xorxes, rdrivera, kgray, bozo
worcej: BunnyGo, brainbomb, kgray, Balki, bo_sox
sulit: Jamie, brainbomb, bo_sox, emc, ?
Temasek: Jamie, kgray, emc, ?, ?
kgray: Jamie, brainbomb, Foxcastle, bozo, xorxes
Foxcastle: Fluminator, xorxes, Balki, Jamie, ?

Flum, Balki: any special reason you didn't take part in this D1 survey?

Xorxes, do you think that town survey has any value? What exactly? What is the point of color coding it and presenting it to us?

I do think it could have some value, scum being forced to choose a list of players is always interesting. I think it may be helpful to determine potential scumteams. I doubt any scum would list all their teammates as top townreads, for example.

[xorxes]

I didn't have any townreads day 1.

Nobody had any strong reads. Everyone usually has some leanings.

[Balki Bartokomous]

D1 town survey:

bozo: Balki, kgray, Jamie, xorxes, rdrivera
Jamie: xorxes, BunnyGo, kgray, sulit, rdrivera
xorxes: Jamie, brainbomb, bozo, damo, Foxcastle
rdrivera: Balki, xorxes, kgray, Fluminator, brainbomb
BunnyGo: kgray, Balki, Jamie, damo, xorxes
damo: Balki, xorxes, rdrivera, kgray, bozo
worcej: BunnyGo, brainbomb, kgray, Balki, bo_sox
sulit: Jamie, brainbomb, bo_sox, emc, ?
Temasek: Jamie, kgray, emc, ?, ?
kgray: Jamie, brainbomb, Foxcastle, bozo, xorxes
Foxcastle: Fluminator, xorxes, Balki, Jamie, ?

Flum, Balki: any special reason you didn't take part in this D1 survey?

Xorxes, do you think that town survey has any value? What exactly? What is the point of color coding it and presenting it to us?

I do think it could have some value, scum being forced to choose a list of players is always interesting. I think it may be helpful to determine potential scumteams. I doubt any scum would list all their teammates as top townreads, for example.

That's actually a good reason. Fair enough.

[kgray]

I don't know how good Balki is at solving, but I'm confident he's great at manipulation.

Hmmmm...why do you say this? Why are you "confident he's great at manipulation?" Can you flesh that out?

Well, I know you're good at Diplomacy from SOW last summer, where you talked a lot about how you use press to spin things to your advantage. So maybe "persuasive" would have been a better word, but based on my opinion of you and the way you present your arguments, I think manipulative works too. I don't know if it's scum-motivated or if you also honestly believed Fox and rdr were scum. But Flum asked me about gut, and my gut is telling me that you could easily have been manipulating me.

[Fluminator]

Has anyone else here recently played with Xorxes? What's he like in other games?

[Fluminator]

Balki, do you think there was bussing that happened on Bob yet?