MAFIA 43 - GAME THREAD

[damo666]

The 3 cons include un cc'd PM claimant Ezio.

Yes there are 3 con mafia and 1 non con mafia but not necessarily this split by claim.

But you're interpreting Ike's list at the time based on knowledge revealed after the fact. What was your opinion on Ezio after D1 and through N1?

I have already acknowledged this in a different post. I wasn't townreading Ezio before his claim.

as my D1 vote indicates

[RagingIke297]

So out of those 4 people

The case on flash is his early interaction with BB

The csse on me is the BB/Durga thing and my scum pool

The case on Neph is defending BB then hedging him

The case on damo is....... I can't really find one?

Everyone on Damo is Non-Con

Everyone in Flash is Con

There should be a better chance of the people on Damo being town but is there a case somewhere that I'm missing?

[thamrick]

But you're interpreting Ike's list at the time based on knowledge revealed after the fact. What was your opinion on Ezio after D1 and through N1?

I have already acknowledged this in a different post. I wasn't townreading Ezio before his claim.

as my D1 vote indicates

True. You voted him D1. What did you find scummy about him? Your vote just said you found him scummy. Didn't point to why

[thamrick]

So out of those 4 people

The case on flash is his early interaction with BB

The csse on me is the BB/Durga thing and my scum pool

The case on Neph is defending BB then hedging him

The case on damo is....... I can't really find one?

Everyone on Damo is Non-Con

Everyone in Flash is Con

There should be a better chance of the people on Damo being town but is there a case somewhere that I'm missing?

I haven't presented a case. What are your thoughts on damo? Should be a pretty quick ISO - care to give me those sweet, juicy IkeTakes™?

[damo666]

Don't know if this is significant but looking at D1 votes Ezio, Flash, Fox, Vapor all switched from Attorney to rdrivera.

Ezio and Vaopr are quasi-clear. Could Fox and Flash have been bussing an Arlene Foster Attorney?

[Squigs44]

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Ike's reread mostly comments on Ezio which is really weird. He also makes some comments about brain. Why are you commenting about the PR and the dead scum? Shouldn't you be using your re-read to make cases?

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This is why I don't want to make a reads list, good intention, terrible result.

Not enough info for Durga to even make a read, puts as null, puts in scum team at the end? What?

Both flash and me, several scummy posts, provides no reference to anything at all

Copy pasta reads for Rdr and Thamrick from two other people, really you have the exact same opinion on 2 sets of people?

Ummm.... what? You don't make a reads list because you are afraid your reads will be bad? Or am I misunderstanding here?

The way damo and Ike are attacking each other both with bad reads/cases, they might both be scum.

[thamrick]

Tbh I find all 3 of damo, Neph, and flash mildly scummy. I'm most comfortable with damo/Neph at this point.

damo is in low-effort mode, plus a few specific comments I'll point to later.

I really don't like how quickly several have been to sheep Ezio onto a Neph vote. Look at the Neph wagon voters and their vote posts:

I'd much rather leave Attorney for today and let cop scan him tonight to confirm him or not. Godfather is not immune to the party cop (he still comes as conservative), so if Attorney is lying now he's guaranteed lynch later.

Neph should hang today.

I'm OK with that. Attorney's retraction suggests Mafia indeed all claimed conservative.

##VOTE Nephthys

##vote Neph

although Attorney is giving me some bad vibes. I agree lynching from the con list is probably the best bet.

Changing my vote since mafia will likely kill in non con pile. I still suspect Bozo, but the stack will get smaller in the next couple phases. So me current vote is.... Drumroll please

##VOTE NEPTHYS

They're really aggressive now and I want my vote to count.
If they aren't conservative, yell at me and I'll change. I'm to lazy to check right now.

God save the Queen!

The conviction for a Neph lynch just doesn't look like it's there to me... At least Squigs (currently on Neph) showed that he looked into Ezio's case on Neph and did some re-reading (check his original Neph vote). Myself and Vapor both expressed agreement with Ezio's case (I never voted him, Vapor did then changed later).

flash's posts seem better to me recently. Definitely had a few moments D1 and the defense of BB

[e.m.c^42]

I was pointing out how they were both pretty much reading each other
as "definite scum", rather than "scumlean", which I found funny since it gave off a bit of the impression of tunneling each other lol (not that it actually is, just the odd impression of), as well as how I didn't notice most of their points until it was realized by them---but their cases seem plausible enough for me to understand, both of them :'D

(as for the exact wording, it's just an injoke on my part, completely unrelated)

Concurrently, part of their motivation is likely due how they were responding to each other's points, a tad bit aggressively.

On their alignments, both nullish I suppose, but Ezio is a bit more town due to his claim and lack of cc---it's his leading town point currently, which is a bit meh---but not ruling out the possibility of a fake claim
Neph seemed more towny in the beginning, but I'm being swayed by peer opinion to that he's not xD

Don't really like the "don't give a shit about who's voting who" because it's not true lol----Neph does look at vote switches and choice in analysis.

Apologies for the ambiguous grammar, what I meant was
"[Ezio's] main point is that [Neph = Scum], because Neph's analysis on [Ezio, especially] is really bad/makes no sense."

or rewording completely, Ezio thinks Neph is scum because Neph's read are shit, especially regarding himself.

[Squigs44]

Lets make these wagons really interesting:

##Vote RagingIke

Anyone on Attorney needs to get off now.

[RagingIke297]

So out of those 4 people

The case on flash is his early interaction with BB

The csse on me is the BB/Durga thing and my scum pool

The case on Neph is defending BB then hedging him

The case on damo is....... I can't really find one?

Everyone on Damo is Non-Con

Everyone in Flash is Con

There should be a better chance of the people on Damo being town but is there a case somewhere that I'm missing?

I haven't presented a case. What are your thoughts on damo? Should be a pretty quick ISO - care to give me those sweet, juicy IkeTakes™?

Looked at it, isn't much there to be honest. He has like 2 posts that have substance, one of them struck me:

Probably gonna get egg on face but I'm giving brain the benefit of the doubt and believe his typo claim and in the absence of cc his labour bb claim. (O just realised bb=bb). In any case as has been already pointed out if he is scum he'll eventually give himself away anyway so not the best lynch today.

So, looking at con claimants:

Attorney
damo
Durga
Ezio
Flash
Neph
raging Ike
rdr
Vecna
xorxes

I townread xorxes, Vecna and Neph (in that order).

I don't like Attorney's play but I now read the Att/Vap thing as town/town with Attorney just making a bad mistake (don't do it again).

Of the remainder (me excepted) I'm pretty nullish with Flash towniest and Ezio scummiest. So as Ezio is currently wagon 3 to spice it up a bit

##vote Ezio

Of the non-cons I believe Vapor's JC claim and worcej's VT claim. Percy and ND look worst.

Hedges and defends BB at the same time at the top

[damo666]

Lets make these wagons really interesting:

##Vote RagingIke

Anyone on Attorney needs to get off now.

Why? Attorney could well be Arlene Foster.

[RagingIke297]

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Ike's reread mostly comments on Ezio which is really weird. He also makes some comments about brain. Why are you commenting about the PR and the dead scum? Shouldn't you be using your re-read to make cases?

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This is why I don't want to make a reads list, good intention, terrible result.

Not enough info for Durga to even make a read, puts as null, puts in scum team at the end? What?

Both flash and me, several scummy posts, provides no reference to anything at all

Copy pasta reads for Rdr and Thamrick from two other people, really you have the exact same opinion on 2 sets of people?

Ummm.... what? You don't make a reads list because you are afraid your reads will be bad? Or am I misunderstanding here?

The way damo and Ike are attacking each other both with bad reads/cases, they might both be scum.

I feel like the reads list is lazy, unmotivated and lacks conviction. Mine would probably be similar, we honestly don't even need reads in the Non-con pool right now, people need to be drilling down on the 7 people in the Con group that we're actually considering lynching.

[RagingIke297]

Also we need to remember that Ezios vote basically needs to not count becuase it could end up somewhere else. Lead wagon needs to be at least 3 votes ahead of any other one to avoid ties

[Squigs44]

Lets make these wagons really interesting:

##Vote RagingIke

Anyone on Attorney needs to get off now.

Why? Attorney could well be Arlene Foster.

In which case, our best strategy would be to give the party cop a chance to investigate Attorney before we consider lynching him.

I feel like I have been through this same argument more times than there are players...

[RagingIke297]

Anyone scumreading Ike/Durga needs to provide a case that includes points outside of the brain exchange. Brain is a crafty guy who can smear people just how he wants, and so it becomes WIFOM.

@Squigs who are your current scumpile?

Neph, Flash, you, Ike

So you're saying you're alright with any of the people that could possibly get lynched today getting lynched? All Conservatives with at least 2 votes, seems conveinient...

[e.m.c^42]

Also we need to remember that Ezios vote basically needs to not count becuase it could end up somewhere else. Lead wagon needs to be at least 3 votes ahead of any other one to avoid ties

Good point, forgot about that---so from now until the votesteal is used, the lead wagon needs majority consensus

...which might be problematic in any future vca as well xD

[damo666]

Also we need to remember that Ezios vote basically needs to not count becuase it could end up somewhere else. Lead wagon needs to be at least 3 votes ahead of any other one to avoid ties

3 ahead if Ezio on the lead wagon, 2 ahead otherwise.

[e.m.c^42]

In which case, our best strategy would be to give the party cop a chance to investigate Attorney before we consider lynching him.

I feel like I have been through this same argument more times than there are players...

My main question is how will town get the scan results? without outing cop soon

just me being stupid, but I haven't thought of anything that solves that xd

[Squigs44]

@Squigs who are your current scumpile?

Neph, Flash, you, Ike

So you're saying you're alright with any of the people that could possibly get lynched today getting lynched? All Conservatives with at least 2 votes, seems conveinient...

Well, I had everyone but Neph in my scumpile before the day started. And after Ezio's claim and case on Neph, I relooked into Neph and put out my own thoughts on him as scum.
So yes, I am happy with where the wagons are at today minus Attorney.

[e.m.c^42]

forgive the repetitiveness, i'm vaguely sleep deprived