MAFIA 51 - LONDON BY GASLIGHT [HIDDEN]

[Temasek22]

It's possible the person I targeted yesterday was saved by me. Or perhaps not. The GMS, when I asked them privately, said that since my power is a day doc save they would not tell me if the person I targeted was attacked/saved. So, I don't know if I caused one less death or not. Totally possible another PR was successful and if so plz for the love of god don't say anything.

@Cmdr: Because ur prob scum.

Those voting for me, if you want to vote me off do it with conviction not this softing crap. 'Oh... r we voting ND $vote nd.. oh is that what we are doin?'

Purple/Tem look pretty scummy rn for trying to see if the town wants to do that. And if the town wants to do it then do it.

I might vote Pruplecow

It was originally agreed that J/H was lynched D3 but no one was voting for you. I just wish my vote counts so I tend to go with the wagon I have the best feeling on.

[xorxes]

My hot take on the J&H claims is either

A) Chaqa is the strongman

Or

B) ND is the team 2 goon

And (A) fits the current narrative better.

Regardless, still voting frost. Gonna ride or die this tunnel atm.

Why did you think Chaqa would be the strongman specifically as opposed to any scum role?

[xorxes]

Conversely, anyone voting ND or Chaqa right now is FUCKING STUPID.

Hyde doesn’t kill N2. Make the scum sort that shit out.

Sorry, what?

You don't want to see one of them flip sooner rather than later? You don't care to figure out why one is lying?

I mean, in general we have 6/21 odds of finding a scum. Right now, I give it 1/2 between them. And the other is Jeckyl that many (INCLUDING BOTH CHAQ AND ND) believe is no big loss to town to lose.

You’re advocating risking a mislynch of a town or in a multimafia game. The lying member is a member of one of those teams, and conversely can’t harm town until N3. There is not a reason to waste a lynch when it isn’t needed yet. Shit, I said day one jekell and Hyde was A day three lynch

In addition, if kills happen N2, and we send the guilty party to the rope, they will have the option (dear both scum teams, hear me out) of revealing who their team killed to town to try to help catch the other scumteam.

I read that last sentence like five times and I still can't figure out what it says. Can you or someone else please translate it into a more plain form?

[yavuzovic]

What do you glean from that purple?

I say from the votes bozo is the suspicious.

Also Flavius, I would add.

[yavuzovic]

Seems odd to me, however I will admit this all happened in 60 seconds.

These happen in 60 seconds and more than votes are cast. This was Day 1 and town had very little info, in fact. I understand the efforts to untie the votes, but I would think there is scum presence here. Otherwise I doubt why wagons suddenly change that fast.

[xorxes]

Why "in my own words"? The reason is because I agree with what has already been said. I can comply but you won't hear anything new. Also, I'm at risk of making myself look scummy because flav was jumping down my throat yesterday when I was trying my best to be town, so I'm learning from that.

Here's my best shot: Frostwind contradicts details about his own backstory. It's a classic sign of lying to add more details than what is necessary to motivate a [fake] narrative. He tries the self lynch day 1. People start suspecting him, but he gets off. Day 2, he says something like:


This is in the middle of ND + Chaqa discussions. Like, why is he trying so hard with the "I'm so town, I'm not even useful" narrative? Because it worked yesterday that's why.

why do you have to "try" to be town? very suspect

Sorry, is that mean you agree with me? Because I agree with you. Frostwind is suspicious because he is trying to hard to be town.

I can't tell if Cmdr is purposefully obfuscating here or not.

[yavuzovic]

We have the ability to eliminate ND as soon as he is dangerous enough. Move off that option. I'm still thinking of who can be an alternative lynch.

[xorxes]

Now we'll have some more facts, I agree we can do better than off the lurker.

I'm strong townleaning Vaporwave.

I have a scumread, but I just want to corroborate with Bob's actions to see if I don't change my mind. I'll keep it to myself until I'm done doing that analysis on Bob. Actions have consequences, and all that...

Who was your scumread, and what was your conclusion after your analysis on Bob?

[xorxes]

You know what,

adios

##VOTE PURPLE

Lol are you sure?

¿?

[dargorygel]

One has to wonder at this point why the usual suspects were not killed. Guessing that they might be scum in this game and situation doesn't necessarily follow. Jack is an enigma, looking for hints of gender. Or danger to himself. But the two scumteams don't want to hot the same target, like n1. So they might be trying to hit secondary choices, noting that the usual suspects have not been active or a threat even.

[xorxes]

I think I will ##VOTE Cmdr for now

[xorxes]

One has to wonder at this point why the usual suspects were not killed. Guessing that they might be scum in this game and situation doesn't necessarily follow. Jack is an enigma, looking for hints of gender. Or danger to himself. But the two scumteams don't want to hot the same target, like n1. So they might be trying to hit secondary choices, noting that the usual suspects have not been active or a threat even.

If by the usual suspects you mean me, Tom and Vecna, we all have been among the most active. What do you mean not active? Not a threat I can't be sure, not knowing who would be the ones that could feel threatened.

Other reasone why not go for the obvious might be the Gambler, Holmes' watch, and the two doctors.

In any case, welcome to the game dargo!

[dargorygel]

However it does make me wonder about the experience level of the scumteams.

[dargorygel]

One has to wonder at this point why the usual suspects were not killed. Guessing that they might be scum in this game and situation doesn't necessarily follow. Jack is an enigma, looking for hints of gender. Or danger to himself. But the two scumteams don't want to hot the same target, like n1. So they might be trying to hit secondary choices, noting that the usual suspects have not been active or a threat even.

If by the usual suspects you mean me, Tom and Vecna, we all have been among the most active. What do you mean not active? Not a threat I can't be sure, not knowing who would be the ones that could feel threatened.

Other reasone why not go for the obvious might be the Gambler, Holmes' watch, and the two doctors.

In any case, welcome to the game dargo!

True... More active than many. But not asuch as usual. I recall you didn't like my thoughts about usual suspects last game. But I do find it unusual when y'all aren't NK Ed.

[CmdrLikely]

Now we'll have some more facts, I agree we can do better than off the lurker.

I'm strong townleaning Vaporwave.

I have a scumread, but I just want to corroborate with Bob's actions to see if I don't change my mind. I'll keep it to myself until I'm done doing that analysis on Bob. Actions have consequences, and all that...

Who was your scumread, and what was your conclusion after your analysis on Bob?

Oh yeah that. It was Frostwind on both counts

[xorxes]

One has to wonder at this point why the usual suspects were not killed. Guessing that they might be scum in this game and situation doesn't necessarily follow. Jack is an enigma, looking for hints of gender. Or danger to himself. But the two scumteams don't want to hot the same target, like n1. So they might be trying to hit secondary choices, noting that the usual suspects have not been active or a threat even.

If by the usual suspects you mean me, Tom and Vecna, we all have been among the most active. What do you mean not active? Not a threat I can't be sure, not knowing who would be the ones that could feel threatened.

Other reasone why not go for the obvious might be the Gambler, Holmes' watch, and the two doctors.

In any case, welcome to the game dargo!

Also, nobody can know for sure that the scum went for the same target N1. In fact, if one scumteam went for someone other than ND, they know that only the other scumteam went for ND.

[rdrivera2005]

One has to wonder at this point why the usual suspects were not killed. Guessing that they might be scum in this game and situation doesn't necessarily follow. Jack is an enigma, looking for hints of gender. Or danger to himself. But the two scumteams don't want to hot the same target, like n1. So they might be trying to hit secondary choices, noting that the usual suspects have not been active or a threat even.

If by the usual suspects you mean me, Tom and Vecna, we all have been among the most active. What do you mean not active? Not a threat I can't be sure, not knowing who would be the ones that could feel threatened.

Other reasone why not go for the obvious might be the Gambler, Holmes' watch, and the two doctors.

In any case, welcome to the game dargo!

Yes, I am finding pretty weird two experienced players like Chaqa and Dargo pushing this line of thought when there is pretty obvious reasons to scum avoid the obvious targets, specially after night 1. It's like they are fishing to see if a wagon on one of this players is viable.
I am not saying they can't be scum (specially Vecna that isn't giving his usual obvtown feeling) but I don't think we can read much on it right now.

[xorxes]

One has to wonder at this point why the usual suspects were not killed. Guessing that they might be scum in this game and situation doesn't necessarily follow. Jack is an enigma, looking for hints of gender. Or danger to himself. But the two scumteams don't want to hot the same target, like n1. So they might be trying to hit secondary choices, noting that the usual suspects have not been active or a threat even.

If by the usual suspects you mean me, Tom and Vecna, we all have been among the most active. What do you mean not active? Not a threat I can't be sure, not knowing who would be the ones that could feel threatened.

Other reasone why not go for the obvious might be the Gambler, Holmes' watch, and the two doctors.

In any case, welcome to the game dargo!

True... More active than many. But not asuch as usual. I recall you didn't like my thoughts about usual suspects last game. But I do find it unusual when y'all aren't NK Ed.

The fact I was not NKd is the only thing making me townread you atm, so there's that.

[CmdrLikely]

why do you have to "try" to be town? very suspect

Sorry, is that mean you agree with me? Because I agree with you. Frostwind is suspicious because he is trying to hard to be town.

I can't tell if Cmdr is purposefully obfuscating here or not.

Yikes, I don't want to be obfuscating things. That's another strike against me and a reason to stay out of the way. Please consider the fact that I'm fairly new and might just be a lousy town player.

I'll try to keep it simple.

[dargorygel]

One has to wonder at this point why the usual suspects were not killed. Guessing that they might be scum in this game and situation doesn't necessarily follow. Jack is an enigma, looking for hints of gender. Or danger to himself. But the two scumteams don't want to hot the same target, like n1. So they might be trying to hit secondary choices, noting that the usual suspects have not been active or a threat even.

If by the usual suspects you mean me, Tom and Vecna, we all have been among the most active. What do you mean not active? Not a threat I can't be sure, not knowing who would be the ones that could feel threatened.

Other reasone why not go for the obvious might be the Gambler, Holmes' watch, and the two doctors.

In any case, welcome to the game dargo!

True... More active than many. But not asuch as usual. I recall you didn't like my thoughts about usual suspects last game. But I do find it unusual when y'all aren't NK Ed.