M59 - Duck Season? - Game Thread

[bozotheclown]

Didn't Vecna claim roleblock? I'd be almost willing to conftown him for that (the traitor is the only possibily I see) I know he's naturally very scummy and I've led many miskills on him in the past but I don't think I've ever seen scum self rb before, especially with this many PRs in a game.

Vecna claimed the RB as scum in M44.

Standard meta is to kill and roleblock your nightkill? Is vecna's day 1 going to lead to scum being very concerned he's a PR?

That is typical when there is a doctor who can self save, but with a potential cop, the mafia could us the RB on someone else.

[summit_fever]

Vecna claimed the RB as scum in M44.

Standard meta is to kill and roleblock your nightkill? Is vecna's day 1 going to lead to scum being very concerned he's a PR?

That is typical when there is a doctor who can self save, but with a potential cop, the mafia could us the RB on someone else.

I'm not sure you engage in nightkill analysis, but do you have an opinion as to why damo was nightkilled?

[bozotheclown]

Standard meta is to kill and roleblock your nightkill? Is vecna's day 1 going to lead to scum being very concerned he's a PR?

That is typical when there is a doctor who can self save, but with a potential cop, the mafia could us the RB on someone else.

I'm not sure you engage in nightkill analysis, but do you have an opinion as to why damo was nightkilled?

I think there are a number of possibilities, it could be because his reads were good, they thought he might be a PR, he was unlikely to be a day kill, or to keep hidden what he thought he saw with foodcoats (if foodcoats is scum).

[bozotheclown]

I think it more likely town!vecna would be snapping town out of the idea that bozo actually signalled traitor by voting his scumteam immediately on day 1.

I do not think Vecna would bus MF that effectively. There was already suspicion of MF, making MF a wagon put him at significant risk. It only took 20 minutes for MF to become the top wagon after Vecna voted for him.

[TrPrado]

@TRP you kill this guy, you’re setting us up.

Go read.

Where's my vote?

Somewhere. I’m researching

Do you want a hint?

[Fluminator]

I think it more likely town!vecna would be snapping town out of the idea that bozo actually signalled traitor by voting his scumteam immediately on day 1.

You can call the idea dumb, but the reactions that came from the three people "incriminated" by it was really good.

You had one obvtown, one look very suspicious, and one... well stay true to character.

[TrPrado]

@Bunny I'm not convinced on gold. I think it's likely the scumteam thought damo was a PR regardless of whether or not gold is on it, and I disagree that him saying he was going to leave but then not actually leaving is scummy. Also I'm not really seeing the similarities between his two D1s. Can you be more specific?

Did *anyone* else suggest that Damo was a PR? No, we all suggested he was PR hunting.

The similarity? He opens with jokes, and then specifically targets *me* for questioning about something. Then latches on and tries to us Dumb Bunny (TM) as cover for his scum pushes.

Would scum have stated that opinion in the main thread?

[TrPrado]

The diplomacy game hthefourth mentioned that he was in with Tom ended only a month ago, I think it is suspicious that Tom twice indicated he did not know hthefourth, and hthefourth never commented on it.

this is so desperate lmao

[TrPrado]

I think it more likely town!vecna would be snapping town out of the idea that bozo actually signalled traitor by voting his scumteam immediately on day 1.

why?

[TrPrado]

##VOTE BOZO we can either put the theory to bed or win the game sounds like a win/win

[Vecna]

Well, yes, but I meant do you not have any new thoughts based on the fact Tom is scum?

I was already considering Tom being scum, the fact that Tom was killed by the jailer provides more information. The 2 remaining scum knew Tom was jailed and would probably be killed, so the scum would have a reason to scum read Tom during N1, but so might the jailer.

Townslip bozo? There are 5 scum. 3 remaining.

Actually a scumslip, because fhpov there are two other remaining scum

[Vecna]

if he was actually town hed have a million obnoxious reasons why im an imbecilw for thinking hes scum.

Instead we get "but what if im a town pr?" "Does this make you suspicious of me?"

If you really think there is a chance I am the traitor and voted for all of the scum D1, you should vote for BunnyGo or Durga.

Why take the chance that -maybe- you were only signalling to 2 teammates? or 3 teammates and taking a 50/50?

we think -YOU- were signalling. So to test that theory we should lynch -YOU-

[Vecna]

So, I think it's worth comparing the reactions of all those involved to kgray's theory.

Agh bozo do you exist just to fuck all your teammates or what?

I did wonder that. But realized:

1) I’m not scum. So it would have to be a partial signal
2) if he/they flipped it would give away too much
2a) having been scum while he was traitor before, I find him very capable of hiding as traitor and not bothering with signals.

First we have bozo accept the possibility of the theory - very okay to go through with it provided 3 scum flips happen.

Durga deflects

Bunny tries to find fault in the logic of the proposal.

Frankly I'm not sure what to make of it. There are plausible alternative scenarios where any combination of the three could be scum. I will skip kgray's.

1) Bozo is scum and Bunny/Durga are town. As scum he would be trying to soft clear himself by getting one of the other two daykilled and disproving the theory. I don't view this as likely. Maybe I was just swayed by the volume of bozo's posting N1, but it seemed in earnest and pretty towny. If there is only one scum in the three of them, I think bozo is the least likely. His unwillingness to die is completely in character for him - he traded the cop's life for his own as VT in the last game I played with him.

2) Durga is scum. I had already mentioned that joking about being scum was odd, and this is the second time she did it. She disappeared today and seemed a bit deflated.

3) Bunny is scum. His defense relies so much on knowledge exclusive to him.The biggest thing about the info angle is that 1) It depended on flips happening 2)It depended on people going back in a VCA potentially days later and tying it together, and 3) Even then, if it was a partial signal it could be defensible.

If Flum indeed does have a shot, it should be one of these three, regardless of who is leading on the vote count. In terms of giving an open/shut resolution on the theory, bozo is the most logical target to choose. However I'm hesitant to throw my support behind it because aside from this theory he's the less likely of being scum among the three.

Oh yeah. THIS A$$hole. Don’t let him steer the conversation. He’s the scummier one here. Go iso him. Actually read. He’s scuuuuuuum. He’s deflecting because he KNOWS bozo and Durga and I are Town.

What is causing you to townread Durga so strongly as to state this as fact?

How can you be so certain that both Bozo and Durga are town?

[bozotheclown]

The diplomacy game hthefourth mentioned that he was in with Tom ended only a month ago, I think it is suspicious that Tom twice indicated he did not know hthefourth, and hthefourth never commented on it.

this is so desperate lmao

Well this is a little interesting to wake up to.

I don’t get any read on Bunny from this as he tends to latch onto everything and anything and pursue it.

I would have thought bozo and damo had better opinions of me than to think I would do something as idiotic as they are speculating.

Kgray and sort of Vecna defending me a bit. Kgray pocketed me hard last game - don’t know she’d try to do it consecutively - so slight townread for her.

Why you ignored hthefourth defense of you?

His post seems less a defense of me and more an attack on Bunny (which indirectly defends me, but I don’t think that was the intention. I can see why people would scumread Bunny in general because of how he plays. I also don’t know hthefourth, like I do bozo and damo

rdrivera specifically asked why Tom ignored hthefourth defending him, and part of Tom's reason was that he didn't know hthefourth.

[bozotheclown]

I was already considering Tom being scum, the fact that Tom was killed by the jailer provides more information. The 2 remaining scum knew Tom was jailed and would probably be killed, so the scum would have a reason to scum read Tom during N1, but so might the jailer.

Townslip bozo? There are 5 scum. 3 remaining.

Actually a scumslip, because fhpov there are two other remaining scum

It is obvious I was talking about the remaining 2 primary scum, who would be the only ones who knew Tom was jailed.

[Vecna]

I am surprised there is no interest in flash today. M47 demonstrated that he will use his history of low D1 participation to his advantage as scum.

Oh god. Just read flash’s iso. It’s short and awful. Every post. Let’s make this a viable option. ##vote flash.

##vote flash

Oh god. Just read flash’s iso. It’s short and awful. Every post. Let’s make this a viable option. ##vote flash.

I'll second that ##vote flash

Assuming flash is town, I gave the mafia an opening to make flash a wagon when I started pushing him to be the kill about 4 hours before EOD. BunnyGo, summit, and hthefourth were the second, third, and fourth votes for flash, and their votes came within 8 minutes of each other. hthefourth had been voting for BunnyGo, but was willing to follow him onto flash. That makes his vote the most suspicious to me. This is why I had him on my "flash is town" scum list.

##VOTE hthefourth

This at least seems like a somewhat believable bozo-town-post

[Vecna]

Bunny why are you panicking so much? Town is in an amazing position. You're acting like we're in mylo or something. So what if people are pushing this theory? All it takes is one of three people flipping town to prove it false. Why are you so worried about people considering it?

Because it’s stupid. On the face of it stupid. And I worry about the brain aneurysms that everyone pushing it is having.

Imagine people seeing patterns when 3 scummy people are acting in an aligned manner

[bozotheclown]

if he was actually town hed have a million obnoxious reasons why im an imbecilw for thinking hes scum.

Instead we get "but what if im a town pr?" "Does this make you suspicious of me?"

If you really think there is a chance I am the traitor and voted for all of the scum D1, you should vote for BunnyGo or Durga.

Why take the chance that -maybe- you were only signalling to 2 teammates? or 3 teammates and taking a 50/50?

we think -YOU- were signalling. So to test that theory we should kill -YOU-

I assumed you were joking when you seemed to take this theory seriously.

[TrPrado]

The diplomacy game hthefourth mentioned that he was in with Tom ended only a month ago, I think it is suspicious that Tom twice indicated he did not know hthefourth, and hthefourth never commented on it.

this is so desperate lmao

Why you ignored hthefourth defense of you?

His post seems less a defense of me and more an attack on Bunny (which indirectly defends me, but I don’t think that was the intention. I can see why people would scumread Bunny in general because of how he plays. I also don’t know hthefourth, like I do bozo and damo

rdrivera specifically asked why Tom ignored hthefourth defending him, and part of Tom's reason was that he didn't know hthefourth.

"Actually they played Diplomacy together!!" is not a reasonable response to that. In context it was and is clear he was referring to hthefourth not having played Mafia before.

[Vecna]

Why you ignored hthefourth defense of you?

His post seems less a defense of me and more an attack on Bunny (which indirectly defends me, but I don’t think that was the intention. I can see why people would scumread Bunny in general because of how he plays. I also don’t know hthefourth, like I do bozo and damo

Again Tom indicates he does not know hthefourth, but my research shows they went to the same college.

wut?