Mafia 88: Murder at the Meadery - GAME THREAD

[bozotheclown]

This game just got made a lot easier by the newer players putting in a few killer posts that pretty much absolves them.

The irritation with certain players is palpable.

Balki Bartokomous
kingofthepirates
Rdrivera2005
Bonatogether
Bozotheclown
Spartaculous
BunnyGo
Jamiet99uk
damo666
Lord of Words
ghug
Vecna
The above group is probably all town, in no particular order

Leaving a very easy poe:
Hamilton Brian
Sweetandcool
worcej

Maybe im wrong about 1, which is likely either Rdrivera, Kotp or Bona if some weird bussing occured.

But for now, fuck whether any of these slots bussed or not, thats a crapshoot anyway. Reads reign supreme.

I was not sure about Vecna, but I like this post because I think his POE are all reasonable scum candidates, including his 3 alternates.

[BunnyGo]

As a postscript, Will also divided a bunch of people into two groups that he claimed were seemed suspicious of each other:

Foodcoats, Balki, Jamie, Will, Vecna (acknowledging that he didn't really trust Vecna)

and

Bunny, Bona, Bozo, (sweet?), (brain?).

I'm not sure what to make of this, but I think that his Mafia teammates are more likely than not to be on this list (again, excepting LoW, who really wasn't playing at this point).

I like the process. Go look at how bozo kept disappearing and reappearing in his lists.

[sweetandcool]

Very town:
ghug

Pretty town:
Bunny
Jamie

Townish:
Damo
Pirates
LoW
Sparta
Sweet
Vecna

Nulls:
Balki
Bona
Worcej

Scum:
rd
Ham
bozo

Why do you townread / townlean LordofWords?

Don't you think his reads list looked fake?

Doesn't it bother you that he said he re-read the thread three times before making that list, and yet he didn't know Fidelis had been replaced by Brain, he didn't know Brain had died, and he didn't know Foodcoats had died?

Doesn't it bother you that he said he would answer questions about his list, I asked him two questions, and then he made further posts without answering me?

All of it bothers me, but bothering and scumminess aren't the same thing. I think it's more likely he's town overwhelmed by a new interface than scum who wasn't aware his team killed a sub.

I agree with this comment.

But I subscribe to the third option which you have ignored here:

I think he is putting on an act (that may be partly real), similar to DrFidelis last game.

[BunnyGo]

I find it interesting that HB is feigning to not have a clue about what is going on this game, yet he feels he can make a judgement call on whether SweetNcool is powerwolfing.

I didn't initiate it; just reflecting on someone else's idea. Why that particular piece? This is you trying your best to generate the miskill of me?

I think Ham is scum.

Yeah…


Bozo-Ham-Just-??

I don’t have time today to dig in.

[BunnyGo]

I liked the work you put on this, but I don´t like how you are using this to only focus on the statistical side of this and not the actual game. There were games with heavy bussing (3 out of 4 on M84, and with no-bussing, like M56 with 5 scum voting outside).
Mafia usually buss for a reason: to detach from a partner, to get town credit with a flip, etc. This game I fail to see a reason for Bona and Sweet to push a buss on the GF the way both did. You can say that the other voters like me and the last minute ones could be bussing and it´s a fair take, but you need to consider people motivations and not only statistics.

I think rd is scum.

Well, shall we give it a try?

##VOTE rdrivera2005

Disagree

[BunnyGo]

GM Note:
I would like to remind everyone that today's end of phase will likely process slowly. I have pre-typed a few flavor messages, but I will be at most 2 hours late in posting them. I believe it will be more punctual than that - I just need a minute or two between matches at my tournament.

Brainbomb has offered to post a "Day has ended, please hold" message. Please respect this post if I am not able to make it. Behave like Dargo is watching. He might be.

Thanks @brain!

[BunnyGo]

Wait, the leading wagon is Vecna?

This is very bad. Join me on bozo?

[bozotheclown]

Very town:
ghug

Pretty town:
Bunny
Jamie

Townish:
Damo
Pirates
LoW
Sparta
Sweet
Vecna

Nulls:
Balki
Bona
Worcej

Scum:
rd
Ham
bozo

This seems fairly reasonable as well, even though ghug is wrong about me.

There is a risk that ghug and Vecna are mafia setting up the most obvious mis-kills, but I am hopeful that they are both town.

[sweetandcool]

This game just got made a lot easier by the newer players putting in a few killer posts that pretty much absolves them.

The irritation with certain players is palpable.

Balki Bartokomous
kingofthepirates
Rdrivera2005
Bonatogether
Bozotheclown
Spartaculous
BunnyGo
Jamiet99uk
damo666
Lord of Words
ghug
Vecna
The above group is probably all town, in no particular order

Leaving a very easy poe:
Hamilton Brian
Sweetandcool
worcej

Maybe im wrong about 1, which is likely either Rdrivera, Kotp or Bona if some weird bussing occured.

But for now, fuck whether any of these slots bussed or not, thats a crapshoot anyway. Reads reign supreme.

I was not sure about Vecna, but I like this post because I think his POE are all reasonable scum candidates, including his 3 alternates.

Please explain. Ignoring any paranoia about your alignment, I genuinely don't understand this.

Given what we have seen from Pirate from previous games, I think it extraordinarily unlikely that he would bus like that.

There is some possibility of Bona bussing, but it felt like Town Bona latching onto scum Will. Obviously he was happy to vote Will way before I did, then once I made my vote he happily supported the wagon he wanted. He possibly even had in mind that he could trap scum sweetandcool into bussing his teammate, which I would say he succeeded in doing (if I were actually Mafia).

I think the acting job would have to be too great for Bona to actually be Mafia here.

rdr makes sense as an alternate.

I haven't seen an argument for scumming worcej and certainly there are better candidates for D2. I can kind of understand scumming sweetandcool, but my counterarguments are rock solid and actually it makes no sense given my past scum history.

Ham is kind of a lazy scumslot to put in, but it might be correct.
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I guess I got carried away assessing the list, but seriously, could you be specific with your thoughts on these slots, in a way similar to what I just did?

[bozotheclown]

As a postscript, Will also divided a bunch of people into two groups that he claimed were seemed suspicious of each other:

Foodcoats, Balki, Jamie, Will, Vecna (acknowledging that he didn't really trust Vecna)

and

Bunny, Bona, Bozo, (sweet?), (brain?).

I'm not sure what to make of this, but I think that his Mafia teammates are more likely than not to be on this list (again, excepting LoW, who really wasn't playing at this point).

I like the process. Go look at how bozo kept disappearing and reappearing in his lists.

Do you only suspect me because of Just scum reading me?

[ghug]

lmao??

What do you make of this, Bona?

already stated. no loose questioning for you

You explained what you find odd about it. I didn't see you converting that to an opinion on Vecna and his motivations.

[ghug]

I didn't initiate it; just reflecting on someone else's idea. Why that particular piece? This is you trying your best to generate the miskill of me?

I think Ham is scum.

Yeah…


Bozo-Ham-Just-??

I don’t have time today to dig in.

Bozo/Ham/Just/rdr

This is the shot I am calling

[ghug]

Wait, the leading wagon is Vecna?

This is very bad. Join me on bozo?

Sure.

##VOTE bozo

[ghug]

Very town:
ghug

Pretty town:
Bunny
Jamie

Townish:
Damo
Pirates
LoW
Sparta
Sweet
Vecna

Nulls:
Balki
Bona
Worcej

Scum:
rd
Ham
bozo

This seems fairly reasonable as well, even though ghug is wrong about me.

There is a risk that ghug and Vecna are mafia setting up the most obvious mis-kills, but I am hopeful that they are both town.

Bozo townreads me. Scum confirmed.

[bozotheclown]

This game just got made a lot easier by the newer players putting in a few killer posts that pretty much absolves them.

The irritation with certain players is palpable.

Balki Bartokomous
kingofthepirates
Rdrivera2005
Bonatogether
Bozotheclown
Spartaculous
BunnyGo
Jamiet99uk
damo666
Lord of Words
ghug
Vecna
The above group is probably all town, in no particular order

Leaving a very easy poe:
Hamilton Brian
Sweetandcool
worcej

Maybe im wrong about 1, which is likely either Rdrivera, Kotp or Bona if some weird bussing occured.

But for now, fuck whether any of these slots bussed or not, thats a crapshoot anyway. Reads reign supreme.

I was not sure about Vecna, but I like this post because I think his POE are all reasonable scum candidates, including his 3 alternates.

Please explain. Ignoring any paranoia about your alignment, I genuinely don't understand this.

Given what we have seen from Pirate from previous games, I think it extraordinarily unlikely that he would bus like that.

There is some possibility of Bona bussing, but it felt like Town Bona latching onto scum Will. Obviously he was happy to vote Will way before I did, then once I made my vote he happily supported the wagon he wanted. He possibly even had in mind that he could trap scum sweetandcool into bussing his teammate, which I would say he succeeded in doing (if I were actually Mafia).

I think the acting job would have to be too great for Bona to actually be Mafia here.

rdr makes sense as an alternate.

I haven't seen an argument for scumming worcej and certainly there are better candidates for D2. I can kind of understand scumming sweetandcool, but my counterarguments are rock solid and actually it makes no sense given my past scum history.

Ham is kind of a lazy scumslot to put in, but it might be correct.
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I guess I got carried away assessing the list, but seriously, could you be specific with your thoughts on these slots, in a way similar to what I just did?

In your case, I still question how you had Just third in you willingness to vote order, then changed your mind and voted for him. The things that concerns me about Bonatogether is that he called Just scum after his first post, although he says it was a joke, and the comments Just made about Bonatogether D1 seem like possible distancing. If you both are town and correctly scum read Just D1 and got him DKed, then that was a great play and I will be sorry for being skeptical.

I am not familiar with kingofthepirates, but he is in the same group as rdrivera, worcej, and BunnyGo, who all chose to vote for Just at EOD without having previously expressed any suspicion of him during D1.

Hamilton has not been engaged with the game much, which is consistent with his recent scum games, which unfortunately for him have been more than probable.

[sweetandcool]

I was not sure about Vecna, but I like this post because I think his POE are all reasonable scum candidates, including his 3 alternates.

Please explain. Ignoring any paranoia about your alignment, I genuinely don't understand this.

Given what we have seen from Pirate from previous games, I think it extraordinarily unlikely that he would bus like that.

There is some possibility of Bona bussing, but it felt like Town Bona latching onto scum Will. Obviously he was happy to vote Will way before I did, then once I made my vote he happily supported the wagon he wanted. He possibly even had in mind that he could trap scum sweetandcool into bussing his teammate, which I would say he succeeded in doing (if I were actually Mafia).

I think the acting job would have to be too great for Bona to actually be Mafia here.

rdr makes sense as an alternate.

I haven't seen an argument for scumming worcej and certainly there are better candidates for D2. I can kind of understand scumming sweetandcool, but my counterarguments are rock solid and actually it makes no sense given my past scum history.

Ham is kind of a lazy scumslot to put in, but it might be correct.
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I guess I got carried away assessing the list, but seriously, could you be specific with your thoughts on these slots, in a way similar to what I just did?

In your case, I still question how you had Just third in you willingness to vote order, then changed your mind and voted for him. The things that concerns me about Bonatogether is that he called Just scum after his first post, although he says it was a joke, and the comments Just made about Bonatogether D1 seem like possible distancing. If you both are town and correctly scum read Just D1 and got him DKed, then that was a great play and I will be sorry for being skeptical.

I am not familiar with kingofthepirates, but he is in the same group as rdrivera, worcej, and BunnyGo, who all chose to vote for Just at EOD without having previously expressed any suspicion of him during D1.

Hamilton has not been engaged with the game much, which is consistent with his recent scum games, which unfortunately for him have been more than probable.

Thank you.

Well, I can tell you that before Bona even explained it to you, I knew he was joking the first two times he called Will scum.

It was only when Bona and Will started going back and forth that his scumread got serious.

[BunnyGo]

As a postscript, Will also divided a bunch of people into two groups that he claimed were seemed suspicious of each other:

Foodcoats, Balki, Jamie, Will, Vecna (acknowledging that he didn't really trust Vecna)

and

Bunny, Bona, Bozo, (sweet?), (brain?).

I'm not sure what to make of this, but I think that his Mafia teammates are more likely than not to be on this list (again, excepting LoW, who really wasn't playing at this point).

I like the process. Go look at how bozo kept disappearing and reappearing in his lists.

Do you only suspect me because of Just scum reading me?

Not just that.

He scummed you and then forgot. And then linked you with other “scum reads” for no reason.

That was the start.

Your ISO reads unlike the town bozo that scum!bunny is scared of. That bozo gets a bone, makes a case, and grinds scum down.

This game’s bozo is just showing up. It’s like every post is an anchor post.

[bozotheclown]

I think Ham is scum.

Yeah…


Bozo-Ham-Just-??

I don’t have time today to dig in.

Bozo/Ham/Just/rdr

This is the shot I am calling

You are wrong, but I would be OK with voting for Hamilton or rdrivera.

[ghug]

Yeah…


Bozo-Ham-Just-??

I don’t have time today to dig in.

Bozo/Ham/Just/rdr

This is the shot I am calling

You are wrong, but I would be OK with voting for Hamilton or rdrivera.

Put your vote where your mouth is, then. I'll switch with you to either.

[sweetandcool]

Okay, I am clearly not going to get any real work done. Didn't realize it was the weekend and consequently just don't feel up to it. Sorry for the low effort.

I've been so focused on other things that I forgot to consider who coyld have been trying to save Will.

While some bussing may have occured, it's reasonable to assume that would have happened after an attempt to save Will.

The three people who jump out are Jamiet, Vecna, and ghug.

I think Jamiet is Town and am currently giving ghug a pass for being a RB. So that just leads back to Vecna again.