Mafia 87: Madness in Mega-City One - GAME THREAD

[Kakarroto]

Even the Brits.

Even… the French?

as far as I know, there was never a french person playing this game.

Austria 1, France 0

[Kakarroto]

Man Dip is harder to kill than expected

he must be mean machine, immune to all night kills

[foodcoats]

If there are concerns that ND is a poisoned Angel (I don"t, but I think I saw some) I would think Kaka and Dip's vote is a greater concern, no?

Even if Dip thinks ND is scum for obvious reasons he shouldn't be voting him

If Snowy were town he would have unvoted after brain's post like food did.

And now he comes after me because he has nothing to say to his defense
I know this group makes some stupid reads sometimes but if we miss this one then I have 0 hope for this lot

Other than the endhammer, what else makes you so convinced Chaqa is scum?

[foodcoats]

Potential Chaqa food ghug team? XD

Maybe

Auto town loss

[foodcoats]

Er I think if food or ghug does flip scum the other is paired with them

Why?

You two seem very defensive of one another

I still believe you are both town but if one of you flips mafia then the other done goofed

Show where I am defending ghug.

[foodcoats]

Strong town:
King
ghug
Dr. F (especially not Angel)
damo
Worcej
Food

Weak town:
Kak

Null:
Brain

Strong town but should die:
ND

Angel but not Judge:

Judge but not Angel:
rd (Null)

Scummy:
Balki
Sweet
Will
Snowy
Chaqa

Poor sweet literally getting scumread after he is dead and flipped town.

Also isn’t this list just a repeat of the earlier one? It really looks like you are trying to appear busy, especially when you leave in a dead guy.

[DrFidelis]

quick question for all players, unrelated to actual game: what do you prefer to be referred to as? I've seen various nicknames, and would like to further ask if there are any general identifiers I or any other players may use?

example: when talking to people, I sometimes refer to them using the word 'mate' (learned from growing up, plus it adds to the pirate bit, plus being gender neutral is nice).

Fidelis, Dr, Doc all work fine.

[foodcoats]

People who could still be an Angel with Dip&War

damo, pirates, kak, food, ghug, balki, snowy, worcej but only if he was PA protected when ND scanned there.

I think we dont need to go for angels now. we can focus on judges. people who dip truly thought were mafia: fidelis is one, and it sounds like rdrivera is someone the angels thought was a judge as well

This is far fetched. As town I cannot distinguish Angels and Judges. I can theory craft but I’m not going to not vote for someone I think is scum because they might be one faction and not the other.

Scum points brain.

[foodcoats]

People who could still be an Angel with Dip&War

damo, pirates, kak, food, ghug, balki, snowy, worcej but only if he was PA protected when ND scanned there.

I think we dont need to go for angels now. we can focus on judges. people who dip truly thought were mafia: fidelis is one, and it sounds like rdrivera is someone the angels thought was a judge as well

This is far fetched. As town I cannot distinguish Angels and Judges. I can theory craft but I’m not going to not vote for someone I think is scum because they might be one faction and not the other.

Scum points brain.

It’s even worse because we have evidence to help us find Angels because of Dip’s flip, and Dip’s Judge hunts can seem authentic even if he is wrong. Very weird recommendation.

[damo666]

damp annoys me

[brainbomb]

damp annoys me

Better use an umbrella then

[brainbomb]

hey man cool fake reads. I like how you have rdrivera in there who is heavily scumreading me and theres like zero thoughts about why he would be my scum buddy there

I don’t know if you know this but your maf team isn’t the only maf team XD

that brain post pinged me with that conclusion (in red). I didn't want to take any reactions away from will, but seeing he did, I must say, I find it quite sus from brain to go to that conclusion. It heavily questions my town read from him here, because I think that town brain would not think that way. I mean, sure, I could be wrong, but man, that doesn't look good. Like, the very first thing that came into my mind was 'oh he probably thinks they are on different teams', as will said later. I find it very hard to believe that brain would overlook such a simple conclusion

He thinks rivera is scum
Rivera was roleblocked
Likely not an angel

He thinks I am also scum
I pushed, cased and successfully killed dip (even if the bot doesnt think so)
Also not an Angel

Rdrivera thinks I am scum

So wills scumread means he thinks im
Teamed with rivera as there is no other explanation

[damo666]

damp annoys me

Better use an umbrella then

And a bowler hat old boy. With an FT.

[brainbomb]

damp annoys me

Better use an umbrella then

And a bowler hat old boy. With an FT.

A dapper young lad with the world in his hand

[brainbomb]

People who could still be an Angel with Dip&War

damo, pirates, kak, food, ghug, balki, snowy, worcej but only if he was PA protected when ND scanned there.

I think we dont need to go for angels now. we can focus on judges. people who dip truly thought were mafia: fidelis is one, and it sounds like rdrivera is someone the angels thought was a judge as well

This is far fetched. As town I cannot distinguish Angels and Judges. I can theory craft but I’m not going to not vote for someone I think is scum because they might be one faction and not the other.

Scum points brain.

Theres still things you just dont say or do to teammates that you might do at what you think is an opposing scumteam

[brainbomb]

there is a giant fly buzzing around down here in the basement. its making it very annoying to focus and reread.

[brainbomb]

Ok, hi people.

I have no idea what I'm coming into. Does anyone have a few areas of interesting conversation I can read over?

Also, I'm going to be a bigger man and not instahammer an out of game grudge. So I will just sheep him blindly instead. That'll piss him off more.

##Vote rdr

kak did you ever figure out why he thinks there is a grudge? and what reason he has to be angry?

[Chaqa]

As far as the Snowy-Balki thing goes, it didn't even cross my mind at the time I hammered.

Blame me if you want, but eight other people also hammered.

And Snowy is the one who voted Balki.

If Balki is MM and makes a kill tonight, I'm going to just assume snowy is his teammate and this is all scum theater to make me look bad for their plan.

I don't think that whole thing necessarily means you are mafia. I can see you for sure to do this all as town.

I DO however think you could've done that in a better way for us and sending mafia into a longer night was a mistake. So, if you are really town, please think about it more in the future; we had some rushes in the past where we hammered town (see the role madness game where I was so convinced that food was mafia that we hammered him and he was cop), though that time it was at least close to the 24 hour switch. This time, we have two evenings/nights where mafia is in control due to the rush. And we have no real benefit because of it. So reflect on it, because it was a mistake doing that in this way.

I don't really view 3-4 more hours in the night phase as being that big of a deal, but point taken.

[foodcoats]

Town:
Balki
ND
Captain Sparrow

Not Angel:
Snowy
Chaqa
Brainbomb

I feel like mechanics are going to dictate much of the game for the next few rounds. Just hoping that our PRs make good choices and some of the bad guy bullets hit the other bad guys.

Also, I for one would appreciate no more hammers. I am still dreaming of a scenario where I return from my trip on Saturday and there is still time left to save the world.

This is a super weak list and a really lame excuse to not bother thinking about the game. I recognize the error of my ways for those who pointed it out to me before. Balki is scum leaning on mechs.

[foodcoats]

Research

Balki at highest point D2
Balki (6) brainbomb, chaqa, diplomacy, justaguynamedwill, snowy801, sweet
sweet (6) Balki, DemonRHK, drFid, kingofpirates, rdrivera, worcej
ND (2) ghug, kak
worcej (2) damo, vecna

(these are not in order of vote, they are in alphabetical, as that is easer without gm vote counts to transfer over from bot to here, if someone has a better way to show vote order please do so)



ND at highest point
ND(5): brainbomb, chaqa, demonrhk, ghug, kak
Sweet(5) (Balki, Dr Fid, kingofpirates, Rdrivera, worcej
Balki (4) DipandWar, JustaguynamedWill, snowy801, sweet
worcej (2) Damo666, vecna


Damo at highest point
Damo (4) DIp and War, Foodcoats, Justaguynamedwill, sweetandcool
ND (2) kak, snowy
Sweet (2) Balki, worcej
Balki (1) brainbomb
foodcoats (1) damo
Dip (1) Chaqa
Unvoted (1) Demon RHK
JustaguynamedWill (1) ghug
Rdrivera (1) Kingofpirates
brainbomb (1) Vecna



Thoughts on this: dipandwar votes and actions seems to imply balki is never on a team with him.

Didn't dip just have great success as scum with a heavy bus strategy?

yes, he was however on the receiving end, at least in the beginning. It could be that he adapted from that, but he ended up on sweet on D1. Since you think Fidelis is town, for whatever reason, that would mean for you he didn't do that on D2 too, at least for the last vote.

I wouldn't put it out of the question like brain did here, but I wouldn't think "oh he must've bussed". Maybe a more indepth analysis is needed, but looking at just the votes on the end, he didn't do a full bus routine.

Dip cast a fair number of votes. I expect there is a scum in his voting range:

king
Chaqa
ghug
rdr
damo
brain
DrF
Balki

(Excluding sweet and ND.)