20 Questions - Game 190

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Re: 20 Questions - Game 190

by Spartaculous » Wed Feb 07, 2024 3:30 pm

cdngooner wrote: ↑
Wed Feb 07, 2024 2:56 pm
 I thought the answer to the military question was spot on. Generous even. The question was whether he was a "prominent military figure."

Mark Sykes Wikipedia page describes him as an "English traveller, Conservative Party politician, and diplomatic advisor" (no mention of military prominence). While he did command a militia unit at the start of the War, he "did not lead it into battle."

The answer was:
No. The word "prominent" is subjective, but I'm satisfied the answer is no. To be transparent, he did spend some time in the army, navy or air force, but that is not what he is famous for.
I'll just say that, as I was checking Sykes's biographical details before guessing him, I thought that the answer about his military service matched very well with Sykes's biography.

Re: 20 Questions - Game 190

by cdngooner » Wed Feb 07, 2024 2:56 pm

I thought the answer to the military question was spot on. Generous even. The question was whether he was a "prominent military figure."

Mark Sykes Wikipedia page describes him as an "English traveller, Conservative Party politician, and diplomatic advisor" (no mention of military prominence). While he did command a militia unit at the start of the War, he "did not lead it into battle."

The answer was:
No. The word "prominent" is subjective, but I'm satisfied the answer is no. To be transparent, he did spend some time in the army, navy or air force, but that is not what he is famous for.

Re: 20 Questions - Game 190

by Jamiet99uk » Wed Feb 07, 2024 1:36 pm

Interesting subject.

I do think the military answer was slightly misleading. He was for a time the commanding officer of the 5th Battalion of the Green Howards, and then moved to a central position in the War Office (still technically holding the rank of Lt. Colonel).

However, I would not have guessed this correctly, I don't think, even if a different answer had been given on that one, so I'm not protesting.

Re: 20 Questions - Game 190

by cdngooner » Wed Feb 07, 2024 2:53 am

And the whole thing felt very similar to your former pick of Butterfield (a random political functionary who ended up playing a major role in some huge event)... I feel like we consume the same historical media.
That is an awesome story. Thank you.

Re: 20 Questions - Game 190

by Spartaculous » Wed Feb 07, 2024 2:46 am

cdngooner wrote: ↑
Tue Feb 06, 2024 9:30 pm
I've convinced myself it's Mark Sykes, so I will guess him.
How the HELL did you get that??? That is CORRECT!!! There were so many others to choose from (ministers, opposition leaders, other diplomats, colonial administrators ...)

I thought for sure I would stump you with this one. Quite obscure as himself, but famous for the Sykes-Picot Agreement that drew the lines of the current Middle East; negotiator of the Balfour Agreement that put the Palestinians in the parts of the Middle East where they are today; and designer of the Palestine flag.

Absolutely fantastic, Spartaculous. Well done!

PS: When copying and pasting to start the next game, note that I neglected to put my name in as winner of the last game. I did, however, include that win in the Leaderboard if you decide to keep that up.

Again, well done.
Thank you! As for how I got it: we knew that he was a Tory politician, but one who hadn't been PM, Chancellor [of the Exchequer], or Home Secretary. So, next up were the Foreign Secretaries, but just about all of them (at least the Tory ones I was looking at) went on to hold one of the three previously mentioned offices or eventually ended up in the House of Lords (or both).

At this point (and after a brief consideration of the War Office), I started to suspect that it was someone whose fame occurred outside of holding these offices. The Balfour Declaration got stuck in my head, but then I'm like, no, Balfour was PM. But I could just barely remember that there was some random person involved in the whole thing, and so I just had to figure out who that was. Once I got Sykes, I could see that all of the biographical details fell into place. And the whole thing felt very similar to your former pick of Butterfield (a random political functionary who ended up playing a major role in some huge event)... I feel like we consume the same historical media.

Re: 20 Questions - Game 190

by Hominidae » Wed Feb 07, 2024 2:35 am

Good job Spartaculous. I had a feeling that was right when I saw the guess.

Re: 20 Questions - Game 190

by DarthPorg36 » Tue Feb 06, 2024 9:54 pm

Wow! Impressive!

Re: 20 Questions - Game 190

by cdngooner » Tue Feb 06, 2024 9:30 pm

I've convinced myself it's Mark Sykes, so I will guess him.
How the HELL did you get that??? That is CORRECT!!! There were so many others to choose from (ministers, opposition leaders, other diplomats, colonial administrators ...)

I thought for sure I would stump you with this one. Quite obscure as himself, but famous for the Sykes-Picot Agreement that drew the lines of the current Middle East; negotiator of the Balfour Agreement that put the Palestinians in the parts of the Middle East where they are today; and designer of the Palestine flag.

Absolutely fantastic, Spartaculous. Well done!

PS: When copying and pasting to start the next game, note that I neglected to put my name in as winner of the last game. I did, however, include that win in the Leaderboard if you decide to keep that up.

Again, well done.

Re: 20 Questions - Game 190

by Spartaculous » Tue Feb 06, 2024 9:16 pm

I've convinced myself it's Mark Sykes, so I will guess him.

Re: 20 Questions - Game 190

by cdngooner » Tue Feb 06, 2024 8:24 pm

Equally or more famous for endeavors outside of politics?
No. Politics is really what this guy is known for.
Tory politician; but not PM, Chancellor, House of Lords; or prominent military figure.
Hominidae is correct. I was copying the style used by the questions. I'll clarify in this and future summaries.

1,2,5. Real dead human male.
3,4,7,9,11. Born in UK; 1800-1889.
6,10,12,13,14. Tory politician; not PM, Chancellor, House of Lords; not a prominent military figure.
8. Not known for arts.
15. Not known for anything as much or more than politics.

Not:
Benjamin Disraeli (damo666)
Any of the several George Hamilton-Gordons, Earls of Aberdeen (jamiet99uk)

Re: 20 Questions - Game 190

by Hominidae » Tue Feb 06, 2024 8:14 pm

DarthPorg36 wrote: ↑
Tue Feb 06, 2024 8:02 pm
 Equally or more famous for endeavors outside of politics?

Also, for clarification, when you say "Tory politician; but not PM, Chancellor, House of Lords; or prominent military figure." do you mean that they're
a. Tory politician; but not PM, Chancellor, or in House of Lords
or
b. prominent military figure

or

They're a Tory politician
but not a PM, Chancellor, House of Lords, or prominent military figure.
It's the latter, according to the questions that have been asked.

Re: 20 Questions - Game 190

by DarthPorg36 » Tue Feb 06, 2024 8:02 pm

Equally or more famous for endeavors outside of politics?

Also, for clarification, when you say "Tory politician; but not PM, Chancellor, House of Lords; or prominent military figure." do you mean that they're
a. Tory politician; but not PM, Chancellor, or in House of Lords
or
b. prominent military figure

or

They're a Tory politician
but not a PM, Chancellor, House of Lords, or prominent military figure.

Re: 20 Questions - Game 190

by cdngooner » Tue Feb 06, 2024 7:51 pm

In the House of Lords?
No.

1,2,5. Real dead human male.
3,4,7,9,11. Born in UK; 1800-1889.
6,10,12,13,14. Tory politician; but not PM, Chancellor, House of Lords; or prominent military figure.
8. Not known for arts.

Not:
Benjamin Disraeli (damo666)
Any of the several George Hamilton-Gordons, Earls of Aberdeen (jamiet99uk)

Re: 20 Questions - Game 190

by Hominidae » Tue Feb 06, 2024 7:30 pm

In the House of Lords?

Re: 20 Questions - Game 190

by cdngooner » Tue Feb 06, 2024 6:24 pm

Don't worry, I was providing context, not criticising your judgement.
Not at all; I was just being funny.
George Hamilton Gordon, Earl of Aberdeen
I see what you did there: picked three people with one name. Which one are you guessing? It doesn't matter; its no to all of them. Can't be George Hamilton-Gordon, the 4th Earl; he was Prime Minister (interestingly, also a Chancellor (of the Duchy of Lancaster), and born in the 1700's). Can't be George Hamilton-Gordon the 5th Earl either (he was a Liberal). George Hamilton-Gordon the 6th Earl doesn't seem to have amounted to much (not much originality in your given names over there, is there?) The 7th Earl was Governor-General of Canada, but alas he was named John.

1,2,5. Real dead human male.
3,4,7,9,11. Born in UK; 1800-1889.
6,10,12,13. Tory politician; but not head of state, PM, Chancellor, or prominent military figure.
8. Not known for arts.

Not:
Benjamin Disraeli (damo666)
Any of the several George Hamilton-Gordons, Earls of Aberdeen (jamiet99uk)

Re: 20 Questions - Game 190

by JustAGuyNamedWill » Tue Feb 06, 2024 6:07 pm

Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑
Tue Feb 06, 2024 5:27 pm
 Guess:

George Hamilton Gordon, Earl of Aberdeen
Oof good guess.

Re: 20 Questions - Game 190

by Jamiet99uk » Tue Feb 06, 2024 5:27 pm

Guess:

George Hamilton Gordon, Earl of Aberdeen

Re: 20 Questions - Game 190

by Jamiet99uk » Tue Feb 06, 2024 5:25 pm

cdngooner wrote: ↑
Tue Feb 06, 2024 4:38 pm
 Is it? I'm Canadian and don't know your strange customs. I assume it is also odd to refer to anyone as the Keeper of the Royal Tin of Chocolate Biscuits. Also, until the question below, we had not established that he was a politician in the UK (only that he was born in the UK), and so he could theoretically have been a German Chancellor born in the UK (come on, you know someone would have done that Wikipedia search)!
Don't worry, I was providing context, not criticising your judgement.

Re: 20 Questions - Game 190

by cdngooner » Tue Feb 06, 2024 4:38 pm

Whilst not being head of state, did this person ever serve as Prime Minister, Chancellor, Home Secretary, or Keeper of the Royal Tin of Chocolate Biscuits?
No.
It would be very odd for a British person to refer generally to the Chancellor and specifically mean Lord Chancellor
Is it? I'm Canadian and don't know your strange customs. I assume it is also odd to refer to anyone as the Keeper of the Royal Tin of Chocolate Biscuits. Also, until the question below, we had not established that he was a politician in the UK (only that he was born in the UK), and so he could theoretically have been a German Chancellor born in the UK (come on, you know someone would have done that Wikipedia search)!
We know he was a politician; was he notably a Tory?
Yes.

1,2,5. Real dead human male.
3,4,7,9,11. Born in UK; 1800-1889.
6,10,12,13. Tory politician; but not head of state, PM, Chancellor, or prominent military figure.
8. Not known for arts.

Re: 20 Questions - Game 190

by Jamiet99uk » Tue Feb 06, 2024 4:05 pm

cdngooner wrote: ↑
Tue Feb 06, 2024 2:51 pm
Whilst not being head of state, did this person ever serve as Prime Minister, Chancellor, Home Secretary, or Keeper of the Royal Tin of Chocolate Biscuits?
I will ask for clarity before answering: by "Chancellor" do you mean the Chancellor of the Exchequer? The Lord Chancellor? Or any post carrying the word "Chancellor" as part of the title?
I meant Chancellor of the Exchequer.

It would be very odd for a British person to refer generally to the Chancellor and specifically mean Lord Chancellor and not Chancellor of the Exchequer. "The Chancellor" is shorthand for ...of the Exchequer.

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