Finished: 11 AM Tue 16 Oct 18 UTC
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1 day /phase
Pot: 170 D - Autumn, 2016, Finished
World Diplomacy IX, Anonymous players, Sum-of-Squares Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game drawn
02 Oct 18 UTC Autumn, 2012: [Near-East]:I'm getting questions about why I'm not eliminating China and Oz, so I thought I would explain: This is a sum-of-squares game, so by not taking their regions I'm only hurting myself. Everyone else's score when we draw will actually be better off because mine will not be so high. And if players have one region at the end, they at least get a "Survived" point in their games history, not a "Lost".

I don't like eliminating players, especially ones I was allied with at some point. It's a bit non-rational in the framework of winning the game, I know. And with China there was a whole misunderstanding that was partially my fault/greed.

And before Frozen Antarctica says "you promised me the same thing": I left you something like 4 turns to do 'whatever' with no pressure, and when I finally asked "could 'whatever' be something other than hopelessly fighting Australia and me?" you ignored it... So I guess even my non-rationality had limits.
02 Oct 18 UTC Autumn, 2012: [Argentina]:So you're saying I'm going to survive?
02 Oct 18 UTC Autumn, 2012: [Near-East]:I'm going to let my colleague Europe here take that question. <microphone rustling noises> :P
03 Oct 18 UTC Autumn, 2012: [Europe]:I have every intention of letting you survive, to be sure
03 Oct 18 UTC Autumn, 2012: [Argentina]:You forgot the ...., so what's the end game then?
04 Oct 18 UTC Spring, 2013: [Europe]:Sigh
04 Oct 18 UTC Spring, 2013: [Europe]:Well that sets me back
04 Oct 18 UTC Autumn, 2013: [Argentina]:Not to much
05 Oct 18 UTC Autumn, 2013: [Argentina]:So the questions is, will Europe let NE win
06 Oct 18 UTC Spring, 2014: [Near-East]:Argentina, Europe is not in an easy situation... If he were to turn against me, he would feel the most damage. Actually, practically all the damage... Since you're so far away, it would change almost nothing for you, except maybe make things a little easier.

So you're asking Europe to throw himself on a spear for you... If I were in your place I would recognise that and try to work around it. One way would be to stop resisting Europe and let him take North America. Hear me out!

He's got so many of his forces there because he *needs* them to fight you, defensively and/or offensively. Take away that need, take the leap of faith and stop resisting, and he'll be free to gear up against me instead. Focus your effort on Ghana instead, say, which will also bring you closer to me, and show Europe you will have value in the coming fight. (Sorry Ghana). You are doing nothing but helping me right now!
06 Oct 18 UTC Spring, 2014: [Europe]:I mean, hes not wrong
06 Oct 18 UTC Spring, 2014: [Argentina]:True but what says Europe doesn't stop and walk all over me? My troops are there because Europe loaded up and chose to move most of his troops there. Now all that's happening is you're moving into position to attack him. I've been defensive for most of the game and haven't been the aggressor.

He's not wrong but also not right. Europe can also attack Ghana and take some easy SC's if he so desperately needs them but Europe has shown me no faith so why should I give up 1/3 of myself to only be weaker and have you both walk all over me?
06 Oct 18 UTC Spring, 2014: [Near-East]:It's easier for you to defend a Central American isthmus than a whole North-America-wide front... And Europe will know that it won't be worth stalling there when I'm about to win.

It's not SCs that Europe needs. It's trust in you he needs, and you're not giving him that. And belief that you will fight alongside him (through Africa, as I proposed), and you're not giving him that either...

If you are asking Europe to make the huge sacrifice of being the front line in a battle against me, you have to offer some sacrifices in return. You can't just prod him from the sidelines...
06 Oct 18 UTC Spring, 2014: [Near-East]:And before you ask why I'm advising you this if it's such a good plan against me:

"The truth may not set you free, but used carefully, it can confuse the hell out of your enemies."

I know you don't want to take my advice, so I'm advising you to do exactly what I hope you won't do!
07 Oct 18 UTC Spring, 2014: [Argentina]:It's hard to believe he wants trust when he keep attacking me.....I have been trying to work with him since he joined but haven't gotten much of a response except he wanted me in a draw as he continued to attack me but doesn't say anything else to me so how am I supposed to trust him? Also, how am I not letting him attack Africa as he has bordered Africa the whole game, has units in Africa? He hasn't moved them against Africa at all when he easily could have.
I'm telling him that you're the real threat and he isn't doing anything. I've been trying to work with him but he hasn't been to willing
07 Oct 18 UTC Spring, 2014: [Argentina]:I'm well aware it's a mental game and I'm aware of what's good and bad.
09 Oct 18 UTC Autumn, 2014: [Near-East]:I think because of the many messages I've typed during this match I've started seeing ads in my phone's browser about "no fees and low rates for money transfers to Ghana!"...
10 Oct 18 UTC Spring, 2015: [Near-East]:Good news everyone!!
Wait... let me rephrase that.
Good news almost everyone!!
After some deep soul searching at an isolated remote mountain retreat in my shower last night, the Nefarious Near-East Evil Empire wishes to announce that for most intents and purposes its expansionist cravings are sated. It aims to claim for itself just one or two more SCs.
The NNEEE would like to stress the "for itself" part of the previous phrase and would also like to specify it was squinting an eye at one or more of you while it was saying this, but will not reveal who it was squinting at, in order to maintain an adequate level of suspense.
Message ends.
10 Oct 18 UTC Spring, 2015: [Argentina]:.....oh the suspense
11 Oct 18 UTC Autumn, 2015: [China]:So, if the Near-East is basically a super villain, does that mean me and Oz are the stereotypical cat that the NNEEE is stroking while giving his evil monologue?
11 Oct 18 UTC Autumn, 2015: [Argentina]:What is the end game here?
11 Oct 18 UTC Autumn, 2015: [Russia]:Poor china. Long time no see. After all NearEast still attack you.
11 Oct 18 UTC Autumn, 2015: [China]:Yeah, but only due to miscommunication, all is forgiven. Besides, I’m an evil villain’s cat, and cats don’t hold grudges.
11 Oct 18 UTC Autumn, 2015: [Russia]:Haha. Neareast, you are so lucky.
11 Oct 18 UTC Autumn, 2015: [Argentina]:China secretly jumped ship and was working with me until NE went after him, then he stopped talking to me since he was under the brainwashing of NE and now he is just a cat
11 Oct 18 UTC Autumn, 2015: [Near-East]:<strokes cat and adjusts evil monocle> There, there, kitty. Don't let the bad man's words get to you.
11 Oct 18 UTC Autumn, 2015: [Argentina]:So NE, you can answer this if you want but can sanae support hold in BAT? I clearly can't get it but I'm curious since your other fleet is on the west coast in BAT
11 Oct 18 UTC Autumn, 2015: [Near-East]:I actually don't know yet because this is the first time I have it and the orders dropdowns are not available yet, but I'm assuming yes. I'll let you know for sure when we get to the orders phase!
11 Oct 18 UTC Autumn, 2015: [Near-East]:I've seen units support-hold or support-move over the shoulder like that (check out my Vladivostok supporting Yakutsk's move last turn for example, yakutsk having a north and a south coast), so the only question is if they are connected, and I think yes.
12 Oct 18 UTC Autumn, 2015: [Argentina]:That's true and thank you. Very much appreciated. I see what you're saying here
12 Oct 18 UTC Spring, 2016: [Near-East]:Ok, I can confirm Sanae can support-hold BAT and can try to move to BAT (east coast). It can't support a move from BAT (west coast) to anywhere.
12 Oct 18 UTC Spring, 2016: [Argentina]:Interesting, well makes sense about the supporting since it doesn't touch where the piece is depending on the coast
13 Oct 18 UTC [Near-East]:Ok, a tenacious defense from Argentina! You saved SWA, well done!
I can see that my goal of trying to help Australia get a (small) foothold in South America could take many turns of back and forth, and we might easily deadlock. And it wouldn't be the most fun we could all have, compared to a new match...

So I'm ready: my draw vote is up!
13 Oct 18 UTC [Near-East]:Thank you for the game everyone!
13 Oct 18 UTC [Pacific-Russia]:Good game!
14 Oct 18 UTC [Europe]:Very good game all around. A pleasure playing with you all, shoutout to the honorable near east
14 Oct 18 UTC [Argentina]:So now we wait for China but hey I finally know the master plan. Wasn't a bad time, good game
14 Oct 18 UTC [Near-East]:It looks like my cat is off getting into trouble somewhere... I hope he doesn't get run over by the Civil Disorder truck just before being set free!
14 Oct 18 UTC [Pacific-Russia]:Haha
15 Oct 18 UTC [China]:Meow.
15 Oct 18 UTC [Argentina]:NE's name is fitting
15 Oct 18 UTC [Europe]:Damn Kugs got some mad stacks
15 Oct 18 UTC [Argentina]:This isn't the first time we've played together ibuprofen. You tend not to listen to me whenever we play though
15 Oct 18 UTC [Near-East]:I don't think I've played with anyone here before! Speaking of mad stats, Russia too!
15 Oct 18 UTC [China]:NE’s name is probably the most accurate name I’ve seen on this site in terms of describing their play style.
15 Oct 18 UTC [Pacific-Russia]:Yes
15 Oct 18 UTC [China]:Also, GG to everybody, hope you had fun.
15 Oct 18 UTC [Near-East]:Thanks guys! :D And GG to everyone from me too!
15 Oct 18 UTC [Europe]:I uh, have a speech impediment. GG
15 Oct 18 UTC [Europe]:Ah yes, global rumble and hogans heros. a good friend in one and quite rude in the other. Good ol diplomacy, showing the best of both worlds

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Near-East
Drawn. Bet: 10 D, won: 106 D
39 supply-centers, 35 units
Europe
ibuprofen (2133 D)
Drawn. Bet: 0 D, won: 44 D
25 supply-centers, 24 units
Argentina
Kugs (1783 D)
Drawn. Bet: 10 D, won: 21 D
17 supply-centers, 16 units
Oz
HasAlaam (65 D)
Drawn. Bet: 10 D, won: 2 D
4 supply-centers, 4 units
China
Jahamas (109 D)
Drawn. Bet: 0 D, won: 1 D
1 supply-centers, 1 units
Brazil
esther (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 0 D
Frozen-Antarctica
nickopotamus (277 D)
Defeated. Bet: 10 D
Ghana
mokkacreme (2232 D)
Defeated. Bet: 0 D
India
Manolo15 (130 D)
Defeated. Bet: 0 D
Kenya
nillawafers93 (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 0 D
Libya
yeldarb (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 10 D
Pacific-Russia
tobieee911 (95 D (S))
Defeated. Bet: 10 D
Quebec
Mrsasquatch (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 10 D
Russia
nguyenmt (4970 D)
Defeated. Bet: 0 D
South-Africa
jojo123670 (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 10 D
USA
Defeated. Bet: 10 D
Western-Canada
Spitnaz (350 D)
Defeated. Bet: 0 D
Civil Disorders
MajorMitchell (1033 D)Russia (Autumn, 2001) with 6 centres.
Julie<3 (72 D X)Western-Canada (Autumn, 2001) with 6 centres.
EthiopianToast (30 D X)Brazil (Autumn, 2001) with 2 centres.
Barto (35 D X)China (Autumn, 2001) with 4 centres.
Donuts! (145 D)Kenya (Spring, 2005) with 1 centres.
67038 (0 D X)Europe (Autumn, 2003) with 8 centres.
DoubtingThomas (100 D)Ghana (Spring, 2012) with 19 centres.
GucciMcdsG (60 D X)India (Autumn, 2004) with 1 centres.
antfghan (10 D X)China (Spring, 2003) with 2 centres.
A_Mace94 (80 D X)Western-Canada (Autumn, 2004) with 6 centres.
nillawafers93 (100 D)Kenya (Autumn, 2005) with 0 centres.
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