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Finished: 05 PM Mon 12 Sep 16 UTC
World Diplomacy-24
1 day /phase
Pot: 255 D - Spring, 2014, Finished
World Diplomacy IX, Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game drawn
15 Jul 16 UTC Autumn, 2000: [Brazil]:Yeah.
19 Jul 16 UTC Spring, 2001: [Europe]:Oz make ready
19 Jul 16 UTC Spring, 2001: [Brazil]:https://imgflip.com/memegenerator/Scumbag-Steve
jk if you need the time, Oz, you can take it.
19 Jul 16 UTC Spring, 2001: [Brazil]:Wrong link. https://imgflip.com/i/17mfti
20 Jul 16 UTC Autumn, 2001: [Oz]:Thanks India for the stab
20 Jul 16 UTC Autumn, 2001: [Brazil]:Wait, what did India tell you he was going to do with those fleets then?
20 Jul 16 UTC Autumn, 2001: [India]:India has been working well with all of her neighbors until now. She had to make a choice between the ones who are in conflict with each other. That choice has been made.
28 Jul 16 UTC Autumn, 2003: [USA]:Good game British Columbia, you put up a nice fight.
29 Jul 16 UTC Autumn, 2003: [Quebec]:I am/ was a bit flooded at work, and have not been responsive to messages. I should be able to respond within the next 8-16 hours.
04 Aug 16 UTC Autumn, 2004: [Brazil]:I have not been responsive to messages, too. I need somewhat more hours.
11 Aug 16 UTC Autumn, 2006: [USA]:Good play this year Quebec and Brazil. I think this turn will be my last. That 3 center grab at the start cut my legs out.
11 Aug 16 UTC Autumn, 2006: [Quebec]:Thanks USA. Good play. I enjoyed working with you
18 Aug 16 UTC Spring, 2008: [India]:As I warned... the Americas and Europeans are taking over the world cuz the rest of us can't stop fighting our little fights. Too late now..
19 Aug 16 UTC Autumn, 2008: [Brazil]:*The Americans, Europeans, Libya and Frozen people
By the way, you could've been in yourself if you hadn't stabbed Quebec.
20 Aug 16 UTC Autumn, 2008: [Brazil]:Please support move San => Southeast Atlantic in Spring.
Are you moving New Zealand into Pacific Islands? If so, I will let you and I may give you support.
20 Aug 16 UTC Autumn, 2008: [Brazil]:Oh wait wrong player.
20 Aug 16 UTC Autumn, 2008: [Brazil]:Lol. I fail.
29 Aug 16 UTC Autumn, 2011: [Frozen-Antarctica]:Hey Brasil what are you doing in my territories? You are stabbing me, aren't you?
30 Aug 16 UTC Autumn, 2011: [Brazil]:I offered you to move there to stop India from doing so. I can't help that you forgot.
30 Aug 16 UTC Autumn, 2011: [Frozen-Antarctica]:Oh! But I didn't agree! And as an ally you should leave pacific Island and Southwest Pacific; so let us see you are mi ALLY!
30 Aug 16 UTC Autumn, 2011: [Brazil]:If you don't agree, then tell me that you don't. It is a bit difficult to read your mind, especially from this distance. Now that you tell, I'll leave those territories.
31 Aug 16 UTC Autumn, 2011: [Libya]:Europe has now stabbed three former allies. Quebec and Brazil beware. My surrender is tendered.
31 Aug 16 UTC Autumn, 2011: [Frozen-Antarctica]:I think that Brasil deserves a draw with 4 players: quebec, europe, libya, and oz. I guess you 4 agree so we may enjoy together!
31 Aug 16 UTC Autumn, 2011: [Brazil]:Brasil definitely doesn't deserve that, nor does, in my opinion, Quebec. Nothing personal, Frozen, but it is only natural to shorten the draw by eliminating you.

Europe, have you warned Frozen? Judging from his moves and behaviour, I would almost think you actually did that. I do not understand what moves you. I am moving against Frozen. If you want to end the game 'in a couple of turns' like you said, then you could do so by helping against Frozen. You may disagree with my decision and that's fine, but now that my decision nonetheless has been made, I'd like to hear what you plan to do now.

On a completely unrelated topic: I'd like to give the province of Morocco to my Quebecian allies to thank them for 12 years of trust and cooperation. Europe, could you order your fleet in Northeast Atlantic to convoy an army to Morocco from Newfoundland to make it happen? Thanks.
31 Aug 16 UTC Autumn, 2011: [Europe]:No problem for that. Quebec is my Friend from the beginning
31 Aug 16 UTC Autumn, 2011: [Frozen-Antarctica]:Brasil you are just a weak betrayer; betrayer because you broke the pact with me, weak because you needed to stab me even if you had much more fleets and armors. The behavior of a coward player and certainly a small man!
31 Aug 16 UTC Autumn, 2011: [Brazil]:Frozen, you are not the only player that can stab. Is it a correct observation that you haven't played many diplomacy games before?
31 Aug 16 UTC Autumn, 2011: [Quebec]:thanks Brazil and Europe. Will do
31 Aug 16 UTC Autumn, 2011: [India]:Considering the betrayals and lies coming from Frozen to me, I place the label hypocrite around his neck. You reap what you sow dude. By the way, China, thanks for being there. I warned Frozen multiple times about his destiny, yet he chose to ignore those threats and continue to divide our forces. I think he sees the folly of his ways now.
31 Aug 16 UTC Autumn, 2011: [India]:Oh, and Europe, well played man. No hard feelings, you were straight up the one to beat and I had no chance with a dagger in my back.
02 Sep 16 UTC Spring, 2012: [Brazil]:Europe, I made those moves in Africa because I wanted to stalemate you in order to prevent you from eliminating Libya. I said before that I thought that if Frozen deserves to live, then so does Libya.
However, since Frozen missed a turn, maybe he will go into civil disorder and our quarrel is unnecessary. If you're willing to give up on Frozen, then I'll give up on Libya.
03 Sep 16 UTC Spring, 2012: [Libya]:All due respect to other remaining players, but I certainly do not deserve to be here. I may be a convenient bargaining chip for Brazil and will continue as a puppet of South America in the slight hope that stalemate occurs with Libya included. We must remember that Europe had the early advantage by taking over the CD'd Russia-West and has played a stabbier game than even Frozen, not that any of us are likely clean.
03 Sep 16 UTC Autumn, 2012: [Quebec]:Frozen missed this turn again...I guess he made his choice
04 Sep 16 UTC Autumn, 2012: [USA]:I have to say watching this wrap up has been pretty interesting. It's rough I fell out early but it certainly has been a good game.
04 Sep 16 UTC Autumn, 2012: [Kenya]:I agree with USA... Good game, with drama ongoing.
09 Sep 16 UTC Autumn, 2013: [Brazil]:@USA: In my head, you didn't fall out early. At the time you were eliminated, Europe, Quebec and I already controlled more than half of the world and the fate of the world was already determined.

@Quebec, Europe: After the retreat and build phase, Frozen will be officially eliminated and we can draw the game. I suppose you two are willing to draw, because Quebec controls the smallest nation and Europe is stalemated such that that he cannot gain more ground outside the Eurazian continent. I thought I couldn't get a solo, too, but when I saw that Europe held all of his units, I seriously considered stabbing. :p I will be friendly though and put my draw vote in. Is the reason you are holding everything because you are busy, Europe, and was that the reason you wanted to include Frozen in the draw?

This has been an interesting game. I had a difficult start with Argentina turning on me (in my opinion, the situation in South America is unbalanced; Argentina is stronger than Brazil) and if USA had chosen Argentina's side in the conflict, I would probably have been eliminated. So thanks, USA.^^ Also thanks to Quebec for respecting the Northwest Atlantic DMZ in the entire early game.

Quebec, you were so innocent. :p Did you really initially think we would draw with USA, despite him sitting right between us? :p

Europe, at first I thought you would not be a very good partner (your stab on Near-East certainly made you less innocent than Quebec :p) but I was wrong; you operated well in the interest of our alliance. The cooperation has been good, despite the little disagreement in the end about the fate of Frozen.

Good game all!
Fun fact: This has been my first game on this map, just like Quebec says that this was his first one.
09 Sep 16 UTC Autumn, 2013: [Quebec]:I'll draw.

And I'll reflect on the game later on.
09 Sep 16 UTC Autumn, 2013: [Brazil]:Frozen saving...
09 Sep 16 UTC Autumn, 2013: [Quebec]:Yeah :S
09 Sep 16 UTC Autumn, 2013: [Quebec]:This is indeed my first game on this map. I have asked many of you for advice. Thanks to those that responded.

I guess Quebec has a great starting position and I was able to allying with USA or Western Canada. The first one seemed better in the sense of not getting caught between South America and Western Canada. Europe was growing like crazy due to the NMRs. A temporary NAP seemed beneficial.

At Brazil: a 3-way between you, me and USA is not what I really believed in. I felt it was required to get a foothold in other continents before others got that. Going in on USA at a later stage in the game seemed more effective to me.
09 Sep 16 UTC Autumn, 2013: [Quebec]:I made quicker progress into Western Canada than USA and it was tempting to just continue to overrun the USA with my extra units. But I decided to stick to my plan.

Then in Spring 2005 (I believe), the USA made some sudden movements towards me without a clear reason or announcement. I contacted Brazil and he found it "suspicious". I covered my bases and USA pulled back. It costed me my position for going into Asia, so I was annoyed with the moves of USA. I asked Europe (whom I found a little stern in his communication) for an extension of our NAP. He wanted multiple years and I agreed.

Brazil and I were sort of hinting towards each other about stabbing USA (I would call it an offensive act out of self-defense) for multiple turns. The hints were so unclear that I was quite unsure if Brazil and I were talking about the same stab, but hey...I had to regain a position and when it became chrystal clear that Brazil meant USA, I followed through. Between the two of us, USA didn't have much chance.

In the meanwhile, I slowly tried to get positioned again for getting into Asia. After multiple turns, I was closer but there was no opening. Europe kindly agreed to support me into Yakutsk. By that time both Europe and Brazil had grown significantly quicker than me amd were better positioned for growth. From here on, I decided to try to consolidate my position firmly before moving on. Europe, thanks for your endless support in Asia.

Quite organic, a 3-way alliance had grown. Although at that stage, Europe had more allies and certainly Brazil was allied with more nations.

While I was stuck in Yakutsk only sticking in thanks to Europe's support, I saw Brazil and Europe stabbing many nations and growing. I had a tough time waiting for either loosing Europe's (or Brazil's support, but he was more opened towards me than vice versa) while waiting for a chance to get closer.

It finally happened, and from there I was growing again.

In the end phase, during those lovely discussions, I was not in the position to stab. I was not very vulnerable for a stab myself. And there was little room for growth, because either Europe or Brazil were in between me and other nations.

I am quite happy with the draw. A solid result for the first time on this map.

Thanks all for playing. And many thanks Brazil and Europe for the mutual trust and cooperation.
10 Sep 16 UTC Autumn, 2013: [Brazil]:''At Brazil: a 3-way between you, me and USA is not what I really believed in. I felt it was required to get a foothold in other continents before others got that. Going in on USA at a later stage in the game seemed more effective to me.''
I had the same idea. You were somewhat less innocent, then. :p

I read that you were thinking about long-term strategies really well. Nice. There are many players who master the social and mechanical aspects of the game, but lack long-term views. It paid off that you had them.

''Europe (whom I found a little stern in his communication)''
I found that, too. I think it seemed like that because Europe has difficulty expressing himself in the English language. I had some funny miscommunications with him. :p
10 Sep 16 UTC Autumn, 2013: [Quebec]:Lol :P

Being new on this map, I thought let's make my weakness my strength and play the innocent, helpless blond girl. In order to not victimize myself, I had to tell and show in my moves that I know what I am doing and that I am reliable. Who doesn't want to pair up with an innocent, reliable player that you always can outsmart? ^_^

I never lied to Western Canada or China. Not even so much to USA. The stab was really triggered by his moves.
10 Sep 16 UTC Autumn, 2013: [Brazil]:Helpless blond girl? I never thought of you that way.
10 Sep 16 UTC Autumn, 2013: [Quebec]:hahhaha, ok. mission not accomplished.
11 Sep 16 UTC [Quebec]:Thanks all! Gg
11 Sep 16 UTC [Brazil]:GG.
11 Sep 16 UTC [Europe]:great game
11 Sep 16 UTC [Kenya]:GG
11 Sep 16 UTC [USA]:Fun game! Sorry to hear my moves caused me to get targeted earlier than planned, but that's always a risk.

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Brazil
Mercy (2094 D)
Drawn. Bet: 15 D, won: 85 D
34 supply-centers, 29 units
Europe
megapippa (100 D)
Drawn. Bet: 15 D, won: 85 D
31 supply-centers, 27 units
Quebec
Naomi (0 D X)
Drawn. Bet: 15 D, won: 85 D
21 supply-centers, 21 units
Argentina
Fat Zucchini (50 D X)
Defeated. Bet: 15 D
China
Utom (991 D)
Defeated. Bet: 15 D
Frozen-Antarctica
Vittorio (106 D)
Defeated. Bet: 15 D
Ghana
Maverik (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 15 D
India
BenRaines (211 D)
Defeated. Bet: 15 D
Kenya
dargorygel (546 D Mod (G))
Defeated. Bet: 15 D
Libya
Chandler92 (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 0 D
Near-East
super-e- (141 D)
Defeated. Bet: 15 D
Pacific-Russia
Defeated. Bet: 15 D
Russia
sk6315 (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 15 D
South-Africa
ArEsKay3 (185 D)
Defeated. Bet: 15 D
USA
Nuncio (118 D)
Defeated. Bet: 15 D
Western-Canada
_EG_ (100 D X)
Defeated. Bet: 15 D
Oz
wildwolf (1214 D)
Defeated. Bet: 15 D
Civil Disorders
Jnsnmnhn (100 D)Libya (Autumn, 2012) with 2 centres.
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