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Finished: 06 PM Tue 28 Apr 15 UTC
Winter of Discontent-3
1 day /phase
Pot: 102 D - Spring, 2007, Finished
Modern Diplomacy II, Anonymous players, Survivors-Win Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game drawn
23 Mar 15 UTC Spring, 1996: This is the first public post
23 Mar 15 UTC Spring, 1996: the second one. ^^
23 Mar 15 UTC Spring, 1996: Post third one is this.
23 Mar 15 UTC Spring, 1996: ok, gold, silver and bronce medals are awarded, no room left for more prizes, thanks for participate.
24 Mar 15 UTC Spring, 1996: Come on man
24 Mar 15 UTC Spring, 1996: who...?
24 Mar 15 UTC Spring, 1996: There may be more prizes, but those will be for on-the-map-performance, like who wins more supply centers or who's gone first or make the strangest move.
26 Mar 15 UTC Spring, 1997: Oh look...and Egypt-Turkey alliance and a Spain-France-Britain alliance.

What fun this game turned out to be.
27 Mar 15 UTC Spring, 1997: no wonder if germany italy and poland formed alliance
27 Mar 15 UTC Spring, 1997: While Ukraine is all alone.
27 Mar 15 UTC Spring, 1997: We did?

Thanks for the idea traitor!
29 Mar 15 UTC Autumn, 1997: I don't think I've ever seen a game where Spain has let UK have Gibraltar and Morocco, UK must have one hell of a silver tongue.
29 Mar 15 UTC Autumn, 1997: Agreed
29 Mar 15 UTC Autumn, 1997: Amazing things happen when you offer win-win ideas to fellow players, yes?
30 Mar 15 UTC Autumn, 1997: I suppose so... I'm just surprised.
30 Mar 15 UTC Autumn, 1997: I have never seen Egypt and Turkey working such good with no army at their back as well
30 Mar 15 UTC Autumn, 1997: Agreed
30 Mar 15 UTC Autumn, 1997: Could Germany speed up by clicking ready?
06 Apr 15 UTC Autumn, 1999: It seems Egypt couldn't be trusted after all, shame when that happens
06 Apr 15 UTC Autumn, 1999: Forming, building, and maintaining alliances - ones in which both sides equally prosper - takes work, requires patience, and demands selflessness, which is why so many players instead opt to stab.
17 Apr 15 UTC Spring, 2003: (Totally didn't see reference to myself in those posts till now)

Sometimes the stab is necessary though. It's not just a case of patience and selflessness. I was going to start collapsing one way or the other, with the England - France - Spain alliance / neutrality, Spain had one of two choices for expansion. As I had discussed with Italy, after attempting to attack him for quite a while, keeping to my alliance, there was no chance I was going to make it out of this game without gaining some power from somewhere.
18 Apr 15 UTC Spring, 2003: What i am surprised about that alliance is the seemingly sheep attitude of Spain, like he has no volition or any say in anything.
18 Apr 15 UTC Spring, 2003: He is the one losing the more in that team, but it seems he doesn't care about that.
18 Apr 15 UTC Spring, 2003: Spain is one SC out of second place and has fertile opportunities down south, although I can see why you'd try to plant that idea (that he's getting shortchanged) - you hope to splinter the alliance.
18 Apr 15 UTC Spring, 2003: First time i see a Spain who doesn't attack what it more close to him and bother to travel thousands of miles just to get two centers at Italy and other two at the desert. And is about to get three from Egypt, all this while France had just gained 7 more centers than him and in a faster way, and also let Britain to even surpass him in number of centers and grow even bigger than him. Without such a passive attitude from Spain, France and Britain wouldn't be winning right now. Anyway, the one at worst danger is not Spain anyway, but France, being at the center between two getting stronger nations is never a safe place to be.
18 Apr 15 UTC Spring, 2003: Well, not surprise of hearing and answer from Britain, it doesn't matter who is losing by that alliance of yours, because in both case scenarios you are at the top. Even if Spain doesn't get enough centers, or France get attacked by you two, there is no way Britain is ever at some disadvantage. Well done for you, if i were Britain i would be doing the same thing.
18 Apr 15 UTC Spring, 2003: See - all you can see is black and white, when, to have a productive team, you have to look at whether the TEAM is doing well. Each of us have helped the other at some point and received help, and all three of us are thriving. Why so bitter?
18 Apr 15 UTC Spring, 2003: no bitter, i just like to point out some points before leaving the game. Actually you are going so well, i hope you win.
18 Apr 15 UTC Spring, 2003: I don't see that happening - Poland is a strong player. But thanks! I look forward to playing with you again. :)
18 Apr 15 UTC Spring, 2003: Poland seems strong at missing turns too. Well, thanks to you too. Till next game. gg, gl, bye. :)
26 Apr 15 UTC Autumn, 2006: If i am the one you are saying i would not only move my army in East toward you but with all including west and south, you are the one untrustworthy coward not me!
26 Apr 15 UTC Autumn, 2006: Britain/France: You both have done great by me as allies, I would like that to continue. I expect a lot of this has just been a series of misunderstandings that got a little out of control.
26 Apr 15 UTC Autumn, 2006: Why are we allowing him to dictate the terms of where we can and cannot move?? He broke the alliance by launching an unprovoked attack against us. And do note: he moved four units west to prepare for his attack the turn BEFORE I moved to the NOR Sea. And ask yourself: what good at all does it do to have a fleet in the Norwegian Sea?? Even if I eventually moved it to Helio, it can't do anything: I can get three attacks on HAM, but he EASILY defends that. And ask yourself: if I intended a stab, why in the hell did I move to WAL with my feet instead of going into the Channel???

He is playing a masterful game of psychology: he feigns alarm over a non-existent threat, makes threats based on the non-existent threat, dictates where we can move based on the non-existent threat, and then attacks by pointing to the non-existent threat as proof that he HAD to attack.
27 Apr 15 UTC Autumn, 2006: You ask for a DMZ , you ask me not going east , and I only ask for not moving your fleet, and you fail to do it and even muted me, with such acts, I would not sitting here and wait for you prepare it well
27 Apr 15 UTC *Pokes his head out of a bunker* This looks like a fun conversation...
27 Apr 15 UTC Just waiting on Turkey to vote for the draw
27 Apr 15 UTC *hums "Cielito Lindo"*
27 Apr 15 UTC Well. Didn't see that coming :-)
27 Apr 15 UTC You are lucky turkey
27 Apr 15 UTC It is really sad with British

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France
andrewlee (20 D X)
Drawn. Bet: 10 D, won: 26 D
22 supply-centers, 22 units
Britain
Eadan (454 D)
Drawn. Bet: 10 D, won: 26 D
18 supply-centers, 18 units
Spain
SpaceFX (103 D)
Drawn. Bet: 10 D, won: 26 D
13 supply-centers, 13 units
Turkey
i7evil (100 D)
Drawn. Bet: 10 D, won: 26 D
11 supply-centers, 11 units
Egypt
Atrum (458 D)
Defeated. Bet: 10 D
Germany
Lemons (582 D)
Defeated. Bet: 10 D
Italy
Defeated. Bet: 10 D
Poland
Nerfninja (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 2 D
Russia
TaoQiBao (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 10 D
Ukraine
Defeated. Bet: 10 D
Civil Disorders
TaoQiBao (100 D)Russia (Autumn, 1998) with 1 centres.
Glasgow Warrior (105 D)Poland (Spring, 2003) with 10 centres.
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