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Finished: 10 PM Fri 10 Oct 14 UTC
Slow Summer Slog
2 days /phase
Pot: 239 D - Autumn, 2007, Finished
Modern Diplomacy II, Survivors-Win Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game won by WarriorOfGrace (298 D)
29 Jul 14 UTC Autumn, 1995: Thanks, new to Diplomacy
30 Jul 14 UTC Autumn, 1995: Hey Russia -- you're not a doppelganger of another player, are you?
30 Jul 14 UTC Autumn, 1995: No, I guess not...!
04 Aug 14 UTC Spring, 1996: You are such a filthy liar, Ukraine
04 Aug 14 UTC Spring, 1996: Sacrifices must be made in war.
04 Aug 14 UTC Spring, 1996: What are talking about?
04 Aug 14 UTC Spring, 1996: I meant that open lie and treason is an instrument, of course, but playing only by that is boring and low.
04 Aug 14 UTC Spring, 1996: The naive think war is free of lies or is somehow fair. The truth is that war is hell, and vice rules virtue.

What did you really think would happen after you betrayed me? That I would let it go and not take a stab at your weak side? When you betray someone, finish the job, or at least don't ever believe something they say afterward.
04 Aug 14 UTC Spring, 1996: I will say that "betraying" you was easy... the hard decision was Poland... I wouldn't have done it had he attacked germany last turn when he was able to take 2 or 3 SC by surprise.

If that were the case, I would know where he stands, and he would have 3 additional units built at home to dissuade me from attacking.
04 Aug 14 UTC Spring, 1996: Ah, the complexities of duplicity. It's always interesting to know where people stand.
04 Aug 14 UTC Spring, 1996: >What did you really think would happen after you betrayed me? That I would let it go and not take a stab at your weak side? When you betray someone, finish the job, or at least don't ever believe something they say afterward.
>I will say that "betraying" you was easy... the hard decision was Poland... I wouldn't have done it had he attacked germany last turn when he was able to take 2 or 3 SC by surprise.

It's the third time you talk about some betrayal and I still can't understand what do you mean. We had agreements about moves and cooperation against Russia - Russia had gone and our obligations passed. I didn't lie to you not even once, I didn't broke any of my words.

On the contrary, let's take a look on your actions:

- you've convinced Russia that you are his ally so hard, that he even didn't respond me on my messages. Then you made moves which are able only by hard stab;

- we had this correspondence:

Spring, 1995: ...

I will, however, give you the chance to stop this war. You go back to Ankara and Iran, I go back to Sev and let you have Bulgaria.

Then you can fight Egypt. Do we have an agreement?

Tue 29 Jul Spring, 1995: ...
As for me, in this situation I hope to survive to the end of the match, so I agree to your offer. Actually, it's better than what I wanted to send you, lol.

Tue 29 Jul Autumn, 1995: Good. I'll be happy if you back off and let me focus on other places. But so help me, if you go for Rostov, There will be vengeance.

Thu 31 Jul Autumn, 1995: Ok great, I can trust you again. I had to move to Ankara incase you went for Sev, you understand. I started a war against Italy that I need to focus on. If you focus on Egypt, we should be fine

Thu 31 Jul Autumn, 1995: You can trust me (actually, I've never lied, so...), but what about you? Can you give me your word as to a weaker side, that you won't attack my back while I'm concentrating on south?

Thu 31 Jul Autumn, 1995: yes, I have other places to focus

The actual result of your word's "fulfillment" everyone can see on the screen

- The attitude to Poland has no need to be expound.

So, what we can see? You always follow one vicious model: lie -> betrayal. It's effective in a solitary case, but in a chain of cases it should be punished, if other players are not blind (in what I have some uncertainty in sight of last events). Not because of The Great Justice, but because noone like to cooperate with a treacherous brute. Also, there is another idea; returning to the beginning

>The naive think war is free of lies or is somehow fair. The truth is that war is hell, and vice rules virtue.

I should mention that such a style of play, as I said, is primitive and it makes game boring. The truth is that war is not a reason to broke every single promise you make and bash your allies or dependents. And the purpose of my actions is not to whine (though why not, he-he), but to make sure, that other countries will understand that Ukraine is not only overpowered enemy, but also an extremely untrusted vicious offender, with whom no treaties could be made.
04 Aug 14 UTC Spring, 1996: Well, I agree with all of that... but on the other hand, it makes the game interesting in that who the hell can be trusted? Ukraine is actually right -- I should have planted a piece or two on his boarder to keep him in check... so in that sense I did not play the right kind of game.
04 Aug 14 UTC Spring, 1996: But I agree, Turkey -- solid alliances are more fun (check my game history).
04 Aug 14 UTC Spring, 1996: >but on the other hand, it makes the game interesting in that who the hell can be trusted?

Indeed, who the hell may be trusted? May be the guy from by whom not a word of truce was spoken? I want to stress again: I only clarify the conclusion that everyone else should have made by themselves. Is it a new idea that pillager can't be trusted?

I mean, I'm not against lie at all. I lie by myself sometimes. But when I come to the Diplomacy after hard-working day, I want to be tricked with a gram of damn elegance.
04 Aug 14 UTC Spring, 1996: I shall borrow "I want to be tricked with a gram of damn elegance" for a sig line or quote board somewhere. Shiny.
04 Aug 14 UTC Autumn, 1996: Ukraine: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwuPKNA2QDo
05 Aug 14 UTC Autumn, 1996: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyvd-zasawo
07 Aug 14 UTC Autumn, 1996: That is pretty funny!
08 Aug 14 UTC Spring, 1997: I wish there was a terrorist mode in this game... You'd see big explosions at all the gray centers right about now...
08 Aug 14 UTC Spring, 1997: I declare jihad against Ukraine!!
20 Aug 14 UTC Autumn, 1998: Wow, I messed up my orders badly that round. But England... you'd rather try and fight me then protect your home?
21 Aug 14 UTC Autumn, 1998: *frenzied ululation*
21 Aug 14 UTC Autumn, 1998: Heh
28 Aug 14 UTC Autumn, 1999: It's not too late for a Draw vote to benefit me! I encourage all my worthy brother and sister nations to do the right thing :)
28 Aug 14 UTC Autumn, 1999: I'll agree to a draw vote after we get rid of Poland.
28 Aug 14 UTC Autumn, 1999: Well, that'd fail to do me any good, as I'll turn into a pumpkin in about 32 hours and Poland is assure 6 full days beyond that.
28 Aug 14 UTC Autumn, 1999: Yeah, what he said.
28 Aug 14 UTC Autumn, 1999: My big buddy France will make you eat those words, Ukraine! Right, France? ...er... France...?
01 Sep 14 UTC Autumn, 2000: WarriorOfGrace is an easy name to remember! See you next time...
01 Sep 14 UTC Autumn, 2000: *less frenzied ululation*
03 Sep 14 UTC Autumn, 2000: This is painfully slow...Poland...!!
22 Sep 14 UTC Spring, 2004: Sometimes a bit of respect towards other rivals goes a long way and we all must appreciate the fact that France has played well. Egypt was solid, and I, although a minnow, did my bit to help my ally France to get to where he was.
22 Sep 14 UTC Spring, 2004: Warrior of GRACE...
22 Sep 14 UTC Spring, 2004: A wolf in sheep's skin, is more effective then a sheep in wolf's skin.
22 Sep 14 UTC Spring, 2004: I will draw if France CDs
26 Sep 14 UTC Autumn, 2004: CD?
28 Sep 14 UTC Autumn, 2005: What does it mean?
29 Sep 14 UTC Autumn, 2005: Civil Disorder. It's a common used acronym in this game.
30 Sep 14 UTC Autumn, 2005: Wow... What a long game!
30 Sep 14 UTC Autumn, 2005: Spain, I'll slow my invasion of France. I want you to get the second most points when I win. And I want egypt to get none. So I won't win until Egypt is eliminated which won't be long since I broke through his line.
30 Sep 14 UTC Autumn, 2005: France, Spain, Egypt: unite against the common enemy. This guy has been a wiener the whole game.
30 Sep 14 UTC Autumn, 2005: UNITE, secondary powers of Europe (and Egypt)!
30 Sep 14 UTC Autumn, 2005: SPOE(AE)! SPOE(AE)!
30 Sep 14 UTC Autumn, 2005: At this point even that wouldn't really stop me. Even if france doesn't miss another turn, I can get at least 2 from him next turn. And I can get 2 from Egypt.
01 Oct 14 UTC Autumn, 2005: Great Men of SPOE(AE) -- push the grey infidel back to Siberia!
07 Oct 14 UTC Spring, 2007: Spain, I wish there was a way I could delay my victory until Egypt was gone and then I'd draw with you. Sadly I don't think there is.

But by siding with me, you'll certainly get a lot more points for surviving this game then you would have with France.
07 Oct 14 UTC Spring, 2007: And Egypt. You moron, If you would have stayed with me, we could have defeated both of them most likely. But you betrayed me.

I really don't mind being betrayed when it makes sense... but you betrayed me for really no reason, and you gained only 1 unit from me. Even if France didn't play like a moron, you wouldn't have gained anything else from me, and you would have helped him win the game.
08 Oct 14 UTC Good Game
08 Oct 14 UTC It was great, bye
08 Oct 14 UTC Expect the Italian guy, who is an asshole

Start Backward Open large map Forward End

Ukraine
Won. Bet: 20 D, won: 124 D
33 supply-centers, 29 units
Spain
chubbnzkiwi (307 D)
Survived. Bet: 20 D, won: 90 D
24 supply-centers, 22 units
Egypt
udvarid (221 D)
Survived. Bet: 20 D, won: 27 D
7 supply-centers, 9 units
Britain
Defeated. Bet: 20 D
France
whatsup42 (270 D)
Defeated. Bet: 20 D
Germany
jd97504 (111 D)
Defeated. Bet: 27 D
Russia
Alpha079er (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 12 D
Italy
Gonshu (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 20 D
Poland
Defeated. Bet: 20 D
Turkey
markion (0 D X)
Defeated. Bet: 20 D
Civil Disorders
Bonapart (90 D)Russia (Spring, 1995) with 3 centres.
whatsup42 (270 D)France (Spring, 2006) with 12 centres.
Gonshu (100 D)Italy (Autumn, 2001) with 1 centres.
BrinleyTheHutson (717 D)Britain (Spring, 1999) with 4 centres.
aturwissenschaft (100 D)Germany (Spring, 1995) with 7 centres.
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