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KingSpillBlood (155 D)
27 Mar 10 UTC
Holding Rules
I've spent a very long time looking up a specific set of rules. :/ I would really appreciate a diplomacy buff to answer my question.
KingSpillBlood (155 D)
27 Mar 10 UTC

If two units, A and B, decide to use a hold move on each other, will they do so successfully? Or do they reduce themselves to a hold force of one?

Also, if the two units A and B are holding each other, and a third unit C, is chosen to support hold A, and a fourth unit, D, decides to hold B, is the hold force of A and B increased to three?

Thanks in advance for your time.
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
27 Mar 10 UTC
To avoid confusion, you should say "support hold" instead of "hold."

In your first case, each unit will have a defense of 2.

In your second case, A and B each have a defense of 3.
KingSpillBlood (155 D)
27 Mar 10 UTC
Thank you very much. That made my recent decision a lot easier. :D

Do you happen to know where in the rules this is, off the top of your head?
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
27 Mar 10 UTC
http://www.diplom.org/~diparch/resources/rulebooks/2000AH4th.pdf

Case 1 is covered on page 7, 1st bullet point under "Supporting a Unit."
KingSpillBlood (155 D)
27 Mar 10 UTC
I couldn't find it if my life depended on it. :S And there it was the whole time. Your prompt help has saved the lives of an entire Italian fleet.
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
27 Mar 10 UTC
Glad to hear it. Just remember, support holds can be cut.
KingSpillBlood (155 D)
27 Mar 10 UTC
What defensive strength does A have when...

A support-attacks with B, and C support-holds A. I think that according to the FAQ, it would be a defensive strength of 2, but the support-attack of course would be cut.
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
27 Mar 10 UTC
Again your phrasing is a bit unclear (to me at lest). You should say:

A attacks with B support or B attacks with A support.

If B is the the one attacking and A is supporting the attack then:

A has a defense of 2 and B has an attack of 2. Again, if C is hit, then A has a defense of 1.

If A is attacking with the support of B then:

A has an attack of 2 and a defense of 1. C's support hold is not considered.
KingSpillBlood (155 D)
27 Mar 10 UTC
I meant to say that A is supporting B's attack. ^^

Ty again, this has very much expanded my tactic spellbook. :D It's going to take a while getting used to this idea, I've played so casually and ignorantly for a very long time.
Alderian (2425 D(S))
27 Mar 10 UTC
Yes, if C is support holding A and A is supporting B to move somewhere, A has a defensive strength of 2, but if it is hit then it's support of B is cut. Unless of course the unit hitting A is the one that A is supporting a move against in which case support is not cut.
fortknox (2059 D)
27 Mar 10 UTC
You haven't hit the tough stuff like when trieste attacks venice, but trieste is attacked by 2 from italy, but austria attacks trieste (to backfill) with three. That all ends in one giant bounce.
fortknox (2059 D)
27 Mar 10 UTC
(the 3 into trieste is the winner, but since austria can't displace his own unit, so they all bounce)
Jamiet99uk (873 D)
27 Mar 10 UTC
@ KingSpillBlood: "I've spent a very long time looking up a specific set of rules..."

I don't mean to be a troll, but just out of interest, where were you looking?

I just tried typing "diplomacy rules" into google, and the first result was a site which has the rules of the game for you to read.
Draugnar (0 DX)
27 Mar 10 UTC
I think he meant a specific set of circumstances in the rules, not the specific edition of the rules, Jamie.


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