Also, please feel free to silence this since I know it breaks site rules. I just wanted Jamiet to see people care if he checks the forum without logging in.

You know shit went wrong when the person who wrote the rule feels the right thing to do is break it. Guess I didn't think of every case here.

No jmo, there are a lot of things you don't think about.

If its any consolation I also don't think Jamie should go. Without being in on the details I think any unprofessional-ism by a moderator even if they are playing in their capacity as a member is still unacceptable. Just because you've decided to take a drink tonight doesn't absolve you of responsibility. (You being HR not jmo) This is alike to a military officer cursing at enlisted personnel at an off-base pub. The officer would still be court-martialed for not representing the military branch of service at all times.

I don't know or want to know the details of the problem with HR, and discussing it will make this a targeted thread. I just want a member I've gotten to know over 7 years to know I think it'd be a shame if he left.

Also I usually am on the side of the moderation on this site; but in this instance i feel some disciplinary action or apology should be rendered.

Maybe there needs to be a preference option for people who don't want to play with others in jerk mode?

Is it me or does the world seem a whole lot meaner these days?

This couldn't be a PM?

For what it's worth, I agree you shouldn't go.

Valis, what are you doing here, don't you have a game to meddle in? Go play with DO and gold and meme. Shoosh! Be gone!

I had the opportunity to play some games with Jamiet and it was a pleasure. His departure would be a loss...

@valis, sorry but no I wanted to make sure he can see this without even logging in.

Yeah, stick around. Everyone sucks!

I wpuld like to concur, Jamie you will be missed.

Jamie is a nice and helpful guy. I vote stay :-)

Jamie will be back. This is completely unnecessary drama. If Jamie doesnt not return within a month --- I will eat a shoe on video and post it to webdip

Jamiet don't come back for over a month

I will eat shoes and register as a-republican if jamie fails to reappear

I don't want to get involved with the dispute.
Jamiet99uk is the master of the infamous "Silesian Surprise" & a respected and valued member at WebDiplomacy, imho, and I would encourage him to stay, but to give Dipbro Brainbomb a bit of much needed roughage in his diet, please Jamiet99uk, return in one month and two days time

Nothing new, HR being HR and Jamiet being dramatic.

@Valis & jmo...tricky thing, making a thread for this
But I wouldn't have known about Jamiet99uk leaving if this thread had not been created.
So might I suggest that we make this thread about persuading Jamiet99uk to stay, not about the dispute between Jamiet99uk and HR. Let this thread be an opportunity for members to express their encouragement for Jamiet99uk to stay.
One demonstration of how much Jamiet99uk is liked is the extremely rare occurrence of blighters I'd usually regard as infernally pestilential like fiedler & Capt Brad appearing to be singing from the same hymn sheet as me "please stay Jamiet99uk, please stay & don't go" ( how embarrassing, lol )

i was in that game and would've soloed if it hadn't have been for HR's antics.

Is that the game where Capt Brad got defeated ?
So it did have something good in it after all ?

Also, in fairness to this thread, it isn't a personal attack, thus does not continue with the thing the other thread was muted over. It is not 'following on from' where the other leftoff, because the topic is clearly distinct. (Even if it is merely a different perspective on the original thread.

I'm not a lawyer, but common sense should be applied, rather than continued ever less readable legalise and smaller fonts for our rules...

(And i say that as an ex-mod who barely served this site for more than a day, because it is really frakking hard to distinguish between some claims and counter claims without evidence.. This is not a hard call to make)

Yeah this isn't the reason why the other thread was silenced so I don't understand why this thread would be.

That being said anyone shitting on HR for his conduct should just shut up. He did meme a favour by sitting his account for him, the way he decides to conduct his press is up to him. If you can't deal with the various ways people may play diplomacy then you probably shouldn't be playing diplomacy.

^ +10

Agree with DO

Obviously both jmo and jamiet should stay and HR should sober up...

"And i say that as an ex-mod who barely served this site for more than a day"

Which is funny because Ora had mod powers for like 4 years.

"That being said anyone shitting on HR for his conduct should just shut up. He did meme a favour by sitting his account for him, the way he decides to conduct his press is up to him. If you can't deal with the various ways people may play diplomacy then you probably shouldn't be playing diplomacy."

I dunno, DO, I've heard about cases of deliberate sabotage by account-sitters. Not much of a "favor" in that case. That may be how Jamie sees it--that or malicious negligence, given that drink was supposedly involved. I think dismissing such a viewpoint with blanket generalizations is a good way to antagonize Jamie rather than persuading him to come back.

I should say that I gave HR permission to do whatever he wanted to with that game. He's well known for unorthodox approaches so I was well aware of what it could lead to, but it's always interesting to play on from a weird position with a weird strategy :) It was not a case of 'Sitter Sabotage'.

Unfortunately some people in the game did not take to HR's style very well.

Fair enough.

I find this whole thing quite surprising, because HR has always been a perfect gentleman when we play. Who is this mystery-version of HR that people hate so much?

"I dunno, DO, I've heard about cases of deliberate sabotage by account-sitters. Not much of a "favor" in that case. That may be how Jamie sees it--that or malicious negligence, given that drink was supposedly involved. I think dismissing such a viewpoint with blanket generalizations is a good way to antagonize Jamie rather than persuading him to come back."

a) while I enjoy jamiet sometimes I was in the game and if he's going to be a baby about HR posting Lady Gaga lyrics on the global thread I have 0 sympathy

b) look at memes post, I'm not making assumptions meme doesn't care

This really should not be so complicated.

- If HR broke rules with abusive language, he should be penalized. (I read most of the public press and didn't see such language from HR, but obviously I can't see the private press).

- Just because HR is a mod doesn't mean that he should have to adapt his play style to the wishes of in-game competitors, as long as he plays within the rules and is not sacrificing his own country's chances for reasons outside of the game.

I'd rather not see Jamie or any other solid member leave the site. Please remember that this is just a game. Frustrating competitors come with the game, and learning how to disengage and/or minimize our own frustration is also part of the game.

@"abgemacht
"And i say that as an ex-mod who barely served this site for more than a day"

Which is funny because Ora had mod powers for like 4 years."

Shh, it was an excellent time, and apparently using (and not abusing) mod powers as a TD was of some minor benefit to the site...

I don't know much about this situation, but while i've played with more then a few players obnoxious enough i probably wouldn't want to intentionally play with those individuals again we should keep in mind that tactics such as chainsaw diplomacy are very much a widely accepted componenent of this game. If he got way too personal or crossed lines of societal correctness that's different, but if he was just abrasive or made claims he wanted to wreck the game, well that's annoying and possibly legitimately douchey, but also on the flip-side it could easily also be strategically douchey in which case it's not nearly as sinful. Quite possible he thought being that persona would help get him ahead.

All that said, he's a competitor to my team in the World Cup so any witch hunt that is intended to boot him out i'm in full support of. Down with HR!

Chainsaw?