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Sandman99 (100 D)
12 Jan 17 UTC
Where my Libertarians at?
Just wondering if I have any fellow Libertarians on this god-forsaken website
Fluminator (500 D)
12 Jan 17 UTC
Yeah buddy.
Matticus13 (2999 D)
12 Jan 17 UTC
I find much in common with Libertarians, but I happen to be pro-potential life and think that regulation is a necessary evil (but still dislike it).
ishirkmywork (1401 D)
12 Jan 17 UTC
So were you guys pleased with Gary johnson's performance? Thanks for that.
Fluminator (500 D)
12 Jan 17 UTC
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Gary Johnson was just a Republican who smokes Pot.
orathaic (1009 D (B))
12 Jan 17 UTC
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God didn't forsake this site, because he didn't create in the first place.

Kestas rarely responds to people calling him God anyway...
Durga (3609 D)
12 Jan 17 UTC
Flum is a fake libertarian, don't be fooled.
Fluminator (500 D)
12 Jan 17 UTC
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You're a fake socialist though.
Durga (3609 D)
12 Jan 17 UTC
Just because I don't like revolutionaries doesn't mean I'm a fake socialist.
Fluminator (500 D)
12 Jan 17 UTC
Just because I don't like private property, doesn't mean I'm not a libertarian.
y2kjbk (5130 D (G))
12 Jan 17 UTC
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Libertarianism is nice on paper but easily devolves into powerful individuals using that freedom to buy control of the state to protect their assets because who's to tell them they can't or even shouldn't under libertarian rule? Then you have big government Republican-like rule that is no longer libertarian. Admittedly this is very similar to the pitfall from the other side of democratic socialist rule that has the mission of creating large government to serve its citizens but is easily corrupted by big money that is allowed to influence policies more than the individual voter. The ideals of both libertarianism and socialism are noble but easily corrupted by individualistic greed that will ultimately corrode the liberties of a libertarian society or the justice in a socialist society.
Jamiet99uk (836 D)
12 Jan 17 UTC
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This site is being actively manipulated by liberals and tumblrfags and does not reflect anything like mainstream opinion. Just so you know ;-)
WyattS14 (100 D (B))
12 Jan 17 UTC
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I like this site's community...
Fluminator (500 D)
12 Jan 17 UTC
Jamie, if you think this forum is overrun with liberals, I have some others I can show you.
DammmmDaniel (100 D)
12 Jan 17 UTC
Jamie this website is far from being purged of a liberal presence
Valis2501 (2875 D (G))
12 Jan 17 UTC
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Oh that reminds me gotta cash this month's Correct The WebDip check
orathaic (1009 D (B))
12 Jan 17 UTC
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@y2k - no, it is very different. In one case your money buys you into the powerful class. In the other the powerful class confiscates your money and thus become wealthy...
Jamiet99uk (836 D)
12 Jan 17 UTC
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@Fluminator: I was making sarcastic reference to Fiedler's thread about liberals and tumblrfags manipulating the forum. Don't you remember it? It was on the front page for about 6 months.
Fluminator (500 D)
12 Jan 17 UTC
Oh lol. I missed it.
Jamiet99uk (836 D)
12 Jan 17 UTC
The original thread was:

threadID=1216284

It spawned a number of parody threads including threadID=1216313
y2kjbk (5130 D (G))
12 Jan 17 UTC
Yes they are different orathaic, but the root cause of individualistic greed getting the better of a theoretically well intentioned way of governing is very similar, it's just different how the issue manifests itself.
orathaic (1009 D (B))
12 Jan 17 UTC
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Humans will exploit any system they get their hands on. That does not make all systems equally good or bad.

You could look at diplomacy websites, and argue over multi gamers, and what kind of system the site needs to have in place to prevent this kind of abuse. That is a common problem across web systems.

But the general problem is across all systems where humans interact for power/influence/status/personal gain (whether emotional, material, or otherwise)

But again, not all systems are equal. Big governments are associated with big states. The USA and USSR, smaller socialist states, like Iceland, don't experiece the kids of problems you described. It has more to do with the size (and thus total amount of power condensced in one organisation) that results in corruption on the level you are describing.

A libertarian/socialist paradise with only 150 individuals could probably run fantastically (based solely on peer pressure) but that doesn't mean i would tecommend implementing those systems on a scale of 100s of Millions of people.
CommanderByron (863 D (S))
13 Jan 17 UTC
I wouldn't consider myself a literal libertarian but it is the closest thing to my actual views. I think some government regulation is a nessecity; I am okay with federal systems such as healthcare and energy; I don't think government should interfere in your personal life but I think economy and security are open game.
CommanderByron (863 D (S))
13 Jan 17 UTC
I would say I'm a weird socialist-libertarian
AngelEyesGBU (127 D)
13 Jan 17 UTC
I'm *mostly* libertarian on domestic issues and the relationship between citizen and state. Too hawkish for the Libertarian Party, however.
orathaic (1009 D (B))
13 Jan 17 UTC
@CB, it is not weird at all.

The 'classical liberal' in european conversation maps fairly well onto libertarian.
Meanwhile the modern european liberal is closer to social liberal (so pro-government support, anti-government interference) - so at some point the definition moved from left to right...

(This wasn't the case in the US where the terms meant something else, history and geography confusing matters...)
eturnage (500 D (B))
14 Jan 17 UTC
I'm more of an anarchist. No matter what your big government system--socialist, democratic, libertarian--power and wealth corrupt the leadership. Therefore, the best system is to have no central government at all. Small communities can then coexist as socialist or libertarian without corruption. Of course, this is purely theoretical since the power vacuum is going to be filled ... and it will inevitably be filled, due to the root of evil in mankind, by an entity that wants to control and manipulate others.
Jeff Kuta (2066 D)
14 Jan 17 UTC
People kill each other. 1 + 1 > 1. Ergo, libertarianism fails.

Q.E.D.
orathaic (1009 D (B))
14 Jan 17 UTC
@'it will inevitably be filled'

Or immediately be filled by community level hierarchy. Which will slowly develop.

The question is why do you assume there will be no corruption at the community level? And what is the ideal scale for co-operation / corruption?


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VashtaNeurotic (2394 D)
13 Jan 17 UTC
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New Scoring System Proposal
I don’t know if this has been suggested but:
1. In draws have everyone alive share the pot equally (As they should because SoS is garbage)
2. In a solo, the soloist gains a portion of the pot equal to 18* divided by the number of centers controlled by the soloist or survivors (but not neutral centers or those of resigned powers) and the survivors split the remainder proportionally based on their center count.
*Or however many
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Chaqa (4231 D (B))
13 Jan 17 UTC
Known World Realistic Speed
gameID=188977

7 days/phase to imitate how long it used to take messengers to move around. Let's do this thing. Rulebook press just to speed it up a little, and because why not
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LeonWalras (499 D)
09 Jan 17 UTC
ADVERTISE YOUR 1v1 GAMES HERE!
Is that the kind of thing that you think you might be into?
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David E. Cohen (100 D)
12 Jan 17 UTC
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From the Creator of Known World 901
I guess I need to look in on this site more often!
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Rabid Acid Badger (50 D X)
13 Jan 17 UTC
Really want to test new map
Excites about this new map
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=188972 password 901109
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leon1122 (190 D)
12 Jan 17 UTC
Trump News Conference Discussion Thread
https://youtu.be/SUyAk0bYps0
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Randomizer (90 D)
07 Jan 17 UTC
Trump wants US to pay to Build the Wall
http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/05/politics/border-wall-house-republicans-donald-trump-taxpayers/?iid=ob_article_footer_expansion

Trump wants US to pay for his wall and then try to bill Mexico for it.
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DammmmDaniel (100 D)
11 Jan 17 UTC
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Obama's Farewell Speech
I am a Diehard Republican believe it or not WepDip. But Obama's speech tonight has helped me realize many things tonight......

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Chaqa (4231 D (B))
06 Jan 17 UTC
Going Away Game for the World Map
I wasn't a huge fan of it, but we should do a going away game for the World Map, similar to the Inaugural Known World 901 game we're running. Same deal, we get a mod to make the game the last one before they officially shut it off.
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slypups (1889 D)
12 Jan 17 UTC
Bug in attempted Known World move
This game: http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=187862
Attempted Daju to Makuran with Al-Qatta'i support. Somehow, the support is showing as cut, even though no unit attacked Al-Qatta'i. Also, the orders page is showing an error. Please help.
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The Diplomancer (0 D X)
12 Jan 17 UTC
Is it just me, or is it dumb that you can retreat into other people's territory?
I know it's the rules of the game and all, but I feel like it would make more sense if you could only retreat into your own territory or neutral territory.
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slypups (1889 D)
04 Jan 17 UTC
So Long World Diplomacy IX
As some of you may have heard, the flawed World Dip IX map is going away. I made a game if you're interested in taking a final swing at this sucker: http://www.webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=188080
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breaca (1216 D (G))
12 Jan 17 UTC
Which is more balanced 1-1?
How are the two 1-1s shaping up in terms of balance? The consensus on AvF seems to be that Austria usually wins. What about IvG? Do we have any stats to suggest which is a more balanced match?
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ssorenn (0 D X)
12 Jan 17 UTC
Press between two countries
Is there a way to pull past press between two countries without going through everyone's.
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Chaqa (4231 D (B))
11 Jan 17 UTC
Concede button for 1v1
We need a concede button on the 1v1 games.
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DammmmDaniel (100 D)
11 Jan 17 UTC
Call-Me-A-Dirty-So-N-So Legacy Edition!!!
Hey Kiddos someone has to carry Krellin's weight around here! Join up for the greatest So-N-So game yet!!!! No safe spaces,no bitching or crying allowed! Leave your feelings at the sign up button because they will get destroyed!!! We need to continue the legacy of helping bring people closer together via insults!!
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lamson (0 D X)
10 Jan 17 UTC
New game, no join button?
Hello, I have an issue setting up a game for those I work with and was wondering if any of you have experienced it also. Trying to use the KW901 map. More in reply.
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Peregrine Falcon (2221 D (S))
10 Jan 17 UTC
Soloing with less than 18 SC?
I'm curious if the above is possible. More below.
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CptMike (4384 D)
10 Jan 17 UTC
world IX
Hello guys. I have a question about this variant:
* http://www.variantbank.org/results/rules/w/world8-2.gif
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CptMike (4384 D)
08 Jan 17 UTC
Convoy to bypass
Hello. I have a technical question.
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Chaqa (4231 D (B))
10 Jan 17 UTC
Known World Gunboat
gameID=188752

I've made a Gunboat game for the new map. Tried to make it be 901 point pot, but gotta go with 900, close enough. Let's play this thing.
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WyattS14 (100 D (B))
10 Jan 17 UTC
Med game, small pot
Made a Mediterranean game, feel free to join.
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=188710
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Ezio (1731 D)
10 Jan 17 UTC
Game analysis
I figured we should have a thread where people who have questions about specific games can post them and ask. I got this idea quite selfishly:
gameID=188647
What could I have done better in this game as Germany?
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glo2018 (1281 D)
09 Jan 17 UTC
opening moves Austra and France 1v1
what do yall think are the best 1st year moves for the 1v1 Austria and France?
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WyattS14 (100 D (B))
09 Jan 17 UTC
Split Diplomat
Does anyone know if Split still plays? He's the #1 ranked player, I believe he has over 100,000 points
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CommanderByron (863 D (S))
09 Jan 17 UTC
unranked??
do unranked count for/against RR??
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ssorenn (0 D X)
04 Jan 17 UTC
gunboat anyone?
1-3 games
dss, 36 hour

please ready if at all possible
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Matticus13 (2999 D)
08 Jan 17 UTC
Known World 901 quirk:
I'm currently participating in two ongoing games on the new world map. 15 different empires to start, so I should have a 1/15 odds of drawing any empire. I drew the same empire twice in a row... That should be a 1/225 occurrence if the draws were random, or even less if it weights other empires higher after I've drawn that specific empire (to increase variety, which I believe mods have confirmed happens, at least in Classic). Should I play the lottery, or is this a bug?
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JEccles (421 D)
05 Jan 17 UTC
A learning experience
I am looking for 6 people with 80%RR or higher to play against me in a "classroom" game of sorts. I'm going to be mentored by an undisclosed mod during the game, and I would like some good competition for this round. Game ID is below.

http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=188124
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