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BlueLight (178 D)
11 Sep 15 UTC
New game: I Should Working, but....
Public messaging only, Anonymous players, Points-per-supply-center, 3 days/phase. 10 D to join.
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=167271

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diplomat61 (223 D)
10 Sep 15 UTC
Proposed classic game "Infamy V"
"Infamy, infamy, they've all got it in for me" - Julius Caesar, Carry on Cleo

Anon, PPSC, 24hr turns. Anyone interested?
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
09 Sep 15 UTC
So, HOW ABOUT THOSE METS?! :D Oh, and NFL WEEK 1 PICK 'EM!
Hi. What's new? :3 Um, something something Shakespeare...
And it's NFL Pick 'em Time...yes, time to pick a new commissioner! ;) Or, you know, divisions, wild cards, conference title games, and the Super Bowl winner. And of course the week by week picks--Steelers/Patriots go tomorrow, Sunday notables include Broncos/Ravens, Chargers/Lions, Giants/Cowboys, and my OH GOD WHAT THE HELL ARE THOSE BLACK JERSEYS?! 49ers play Monday night! The Week 1 match-ups...pick 'em!
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MonsieurJavert (214 D)
09 Sep 15 UTC
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webDip-vDip crossover
Hello webDip!
I hail from your sister site, vDip, where I run under the handle TheatreVarus.
We are severely starved for players at the moment, and were hoping some of you could join up.
We have many available variants, including my current favorite, Viking Diplomacy.
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gigtigre (100 D)
22 Jul 15 UTC
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Do girls play diplomacy?
Pretty new on this site...just curious if there are very many/any girls playing?
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backscratcher (459 D)
10 Sep 15 UTC
A question about Builds/Destroys
If a country has to disband a unit during the build phase and doesn't turn in orders, how does the server decide which unit to disband for the player?
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JamesYanik (548 D)
09 Sep 15 UTC
Tips for World Diplomacy
I have played 50+ games on the World Diplomacy variant, but I have not soloed. Honestly, it seems like you can see a powerhouse coming so far back, it is impossible to not get faced with a stalemate line!

Please post any hints here, I wanna conquer the world :'(
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abgemacht (1076 D(G))
06 Sep 15 UTC
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I proposed to my girlfriend today!
Now she's calling all her long-distance friends, so who wants to play some World of Warships!
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diplomat61 (223 D)
10 Sep 15 UTC
Anonymous Gunboat "Glowworm"
Proposed: Anon, 24 hour turns, PPSC

Anyone interested?
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abgemacht (1076 D(G))
10 Sep 15 UTC
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Extra! Extra! Introduction to DATC!
We have a new video up on how to use the Diplomacy Adjudicator Test Cases (DATC) to help resolve nuanced orders!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obtKRsh-Owg
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cb6000 (100 D(S))
09 Sep 15 UTC
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EXACTLY when does a game end?
In my set of rules, rule XIII indicates that possession of a SC only occurs after fall retreats have been completed. On this site, it seems that for purposes of determining a solo victory, a victory is declared following the fall diplomacy phase prior to retreats. For clarification: on a fall turn that great power A takes its 18th SC but great power B could then retreat into into one of country A's SCs, is country A awarded a win prior to that fall's retreats? Thank you.
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MarquisMark (326 D(G))
08 Sep 15 UTC
Fantasy Drafts
So how did y'all's fantasy drafts go? End up something good or make any mistakes? 1st game this Thursday.
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redhouse1938 (429 D)
09 Sep 15 UTC
WhatsApp on MacBook
Dear All,
Who has a good idea for a WhatsApp on my MacBook that synchronizes with my telephone?
Cheers, red
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hellalt (113 D)
08 Sep 15 UTC
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ich bin wieder da
hello bitches!
I m back (again)
Join me in hell if you dare!
gameID=167173
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cgwhite32 (1465 D)
07 Sep 15 UTC
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Returning after a four year break...
... as an old adversary messaged me offline and I decided to succumb to temptation. I was wondering if any of those former combatants, or indeed anyone else, fancied a classic map, slow turn (probably 48 hour), press intensive game to get me back up to speed.

Post below...
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abgemacht (1076 D(G))
04 Sep 15 UTC
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Enigma Diplomacy
I'd like to try a new variant. Global Press only, but with some time before the game starts to talk privately with each player to devise codes to be used during the game. Is there any interest in this?
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Boromacat (100 DX)
07 Sep 15 UTC
Which territory is most seldom occupied?
I think it is down to Syria, Livonia, or Clydesdale.
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civwarbuff (305 D)
08 Sep 15 UTC
Signed up for a game that hasn't begun yet but.....
due to how busy I am going to be I am going to actually ask for a replacement. The game is "How much is it worth" and it has until tomorrow at 1 P.M. before it begins.
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Bad85 (576 D)
08 Sep 15 UTC
Sitter Needed for gameID=165291
Dear Forum, I would like to ask whether someone wants to sit
my country in gameID=165291 and, not playing very often, propose me
the modalities of transferring my account information. Thanks!
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Macchiavelli (2856 D)
05 Sep 15 UTC
What nationalities do we have on site?
(Now that we've seen asking about gender here causes temper tantrums...)
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redhouse1938 (429 D)
08 Sep 15 UTC
Academic License Taylor and Francis "Molecular Physics"
Hey all,
Is there anybody here that can access articles from the journal "Molecular Physics" from publisher Taylor and Francis?
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Landru428 (160 D)
07 Sep 15 UTC
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Where do I post suggestions?
Am I the only person that doesn't understand why they page layout is so narrow? there is significant space in the right and left margins for order information, game state information, and everything you need at a single glance, instead of all the scrolling i have to do. the layout is especially important because the page has to be refreshed constantly.
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abgemacht (1076 D(G))
24 Aug 15 UTC
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webDip F2F Redux
It's was great meeting everyone from webDip, but unfortunately, we didn't all get to play against each other. Would anyone fancy a game here? I'd prefer non-anon 36 hour phases, but it is, of course, negotiable.
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orathaic (1009 D(B))
04 Sep 15 UTC
Is Israel an 'apartheid state'?
i'm sure this will lead to zero controversy... (See inside)
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DeathLlama8 (514 D)
07 Sep 15 UTC
Away from Home - an SRG
Idea for a new SRG - the winner is either a.) the first player to move a unit to a center more than <x> territories further away from where it originated or b.) whoever solos
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DelicateSteve (100 D)
07 Sep 15 UTC
Live Games Start Here
Utilize this in the hunt for live games, the biggest struggle since the apple start-up.
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redhouse1938 (429 D)
25 Aug 15 UTC
Trump
Hmm...
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/08/donald-trump-megyn-kelly-twitter-tirade-121707.html?hp=rc3_4_b1
My guess is he's actually a very insecure person who's now deliberately turning himself into a caricature so as to be absolutely unelectable.
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leon1122 (190 D)
26 Aug 15 UTC
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Suggestion
This website should have statistics for each country of each map (wins, draws, losses, etc.) like vdiplomacy.

I know this is a feature request and I'm supposed to check the todo list, but the forum that the "todo list" link directs to doesn't seem to have been used since last year, and I can't seem to find the actual list anywhere.
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DeathLlama8 (514 D)
03 Sep 15 UTC
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Let's Make an Openings Compilation/Magazine
As above, below.
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Tolstoy (1962 D)
04 Sep 15 UTC
Should Christian Doctors be forced to perform abortions, or face prison time?
It's a perfectly legal medical procedure. If Christian marriage license clerks aren't allowed to refuse to license gay marriages, why not?
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LeonidasVader (100 D)
05 Sep 15 UTC
@ Jeff Title II specifically exempts private clubs. So all anyone needs to do is make their business a private club. You suggested yourself that the bakers in question were "lazy and ignorant" not to have done so. Again, if it's so easy to exempt yourself from the law, what's the point of the law in the first place?

And common sense tells me that any work I perform, whether it is physical, intellectual, or artistic, is mine to do with as I wish. Common sense tells me there's no valid reason to force me to do that work. Forcing one to work is enslavement.

If you don't believe that, I am actually a victim in a lot of cases. I'm a victim of not being good at Diplomacy. You have far more points than I do. You need to enter all of my moves for me because I am the victim and you are morally obligated to do so. I'm also not good at cleaning, so come and clean my house for me. I'm a victim of not being good at cleaning so you're morally obligated to go ahead and do it for me.

What? You don't want to do my work for me and you don't think I should be able to make you? Then maybe things like the CRA shouldn't exist.

You're still avoiding the abortion question which is the actual title of this thread.
Randomizer (722 D)
05 Sep 15 UTC
"And common sense tells me that any work I perform, whether it is physical, intellectual, or artistic, is mine to do with as I wish. Common sense tells me there's no valid reason to force me to do that work. Forcing one to work is enslavement."

If you work for someone else or a company, then your work usually belongs to them as a condition of employment. Depending upon the contract it is work for hire with the difference on whether you explicitly work for them or as an independent contractor for specific jobs.

If you work for yourself, then depending on how your business is set up determines your choice of customers.

Going back to the original post, what a doctor does is based upon the employment contract. Doctors that work for a hospital has their duties spelled out in the contract on what they have to do to stay employed. Doctors with privileges at a hospital have rights to act with patients in a hospital, but aren't required to do things that they don't want to do.
"If you work for someone else or a company, then your work usually belongs to them as a condition of employment. Depending upon the contract it is work for hire with the difference on whether you explicitly work for them or as an independent contractor for specific jobs."
This is a good point. Is it too much of a stretch to suppose that (in reality, as opposed to in ideality) in setting up a business, you are signing a contract with the government to abide by employment and service laws -- and that the government is in fact the arbiter of who may and may not produce and offer goods and services? Again, I'm asking about the situation on the ground in the United States in 2015, not in some ideal world where all is as it should be (it's patently obvious that the two are very different places).

My guess is: it depends on the good or service.
kahudd2000 (157 D)
06 Sep 15 UTC
A foot doctor doesn't have to perform an abortion, and never will.

The clerk in question had one job, and that was to process legal documents. This really is a paranoid fantasy trip.
LeonidasVader (100 D)
06 Sep 15 UTC
@Randomizer Yes, you are correct that if you are employed by others, you either work as they say or don't work. We were initially talking about small business owners, who work for themselves.

So yes, most doctors work for hospitals or clinics. If that hospital or clinic does not have a doctor willing to perform an abortion for ethical reasons, can the patient not make the same claim that the gay wedding cake couple made? That they are being discriminated against? They would make that claim on the hospital, and if the hospital lost the suit, it would have to provide that service. Meaning that the doctors there would have to provide it or lose their jobs.
LeonidasVader (100 D)
06 Sep 15 UTC
@OutsideSmoker

Jeff Skuta brought up that point earlier and I conceded that it is a valid point. It does seem like if you set your business up as a "private club," you can be exempt from the Civil Rights Act, which is a little strange. Regardless, as you say, it appears that in the real world of 2015, for the most part you are subject to anti-discrimination laws.

For the reasons I've stated above, I think those laws are immoral and should be abolished, but they do exist in the real world. I definitely don't think this post was a genuine question, but instead an exploration of the morality of the current legal situation in the US.
Jeff Kuta (2066 D)
06 Sep 15 UTC
"Title II specifically exempts private clubs. So all anyone needs to do is make their business a private club. You suggested yourself that the bakers in question were "lazy and ignorant" not to have done so. Again, if it's so easy to exempt yourself from the law, what's the point of the law in the first place?"

The Internal Revenue Code is chock full of different legal entities. Membership clubs are different places of public accommodation which are different from hospitals and non-profits and unions and churches and sports leagues, etc. This is not a secret.

But, laws have to refer to precedents and so Title II explicitly says what is exempt. Those who drafted the CRA had to do so because of Jim Crow. Southern racists had institutionalized discrimination by law so a law had to be passed which superseded and outlawed previous practice. Isn't that patently obvious? I'm sure the libertarian perspective is "just abolish the bad laws" but that's not how the federal government works, despite what Tenthers want to believe. States, let alone rogue county clerks, don't always do the right thing as we have seen time and again.

It is not "a little strange" for private clubs to be exempt. You seem to be getting the idea of private ownership and private membership conflated. They are separate and distinct. If you want to own a private club which caters to a private membership, go for it. If you want to own a private business which caters to the public, then cater to the entire public and don't discriminate. That's how it works. Get it yet?

The best point you have made is with respect to grandfathering in businesses (or people) which existed prior to passage of an act which requires them to legally behave in a different way. This is why the various chambers of commerce piss and moan about changes to the tax code or IRC. It costs money to become compliant with new regulations and guidelines. Like it or not, that's the cost of doing business.

If the laws change and a public servant doesn't like it, they can take it up to the SCOTUS. After that remedy is exhausted, they can resign. If they don't, then "Go to jail. Go directly to jail. Do not pass Go. Do not collect from your GoFundMe campaign."

I'm not going to discuss the sophomoric hypothetical at the head of this thread. Haven't yet.
Randomizer (722 D)
06 Sep 15 UTC
"So yes, most doctors work for hospitals or clinics. If that hospital or clinic does not have a doctor willing to perform an abortion for ethical reasons, can the patient not make the same claim that the gay wedding cake couple made? That they are being discriminated against? They would make that claim on the hospital, and if the hospital lost the suit, it would have to provide that service. Meaning that the doctors there would have to provide it or lose their jobs"

Federal law regarding procedures like abortion differentiate between two types.

All emergency cases, like to save the mother's life, are required to be done once a patient enters the emergency room. A hospital can lose all federal payments for refusing to carry out emergency medical care. That's why if you need emergency care it's better to walk in than use an ambulance if you can. Ambulances can be diverted to another hospital because the patient hasn't entered the hospital. Hopefully the patient doesn't die before reaching the next hospital.

It sounds stupid, but you can be in accident 500 feet from an emergency room and the ambulance can take you 20 miles to a different hospital. It's perfectly legal for the first hospital to claim it doesn't have space to take an emergency patient, but it does have room for admitted patients.

Elective abortions where it isn't an emergency where the mother could die if not done immediately are treated differently. There the hospital can require that a doctor admit the patient into the hospital and the doctor will be responsible for the abortion. Since it isn't time sensitive in hours, the hospital can refuse admittance to the emergency room.

So you can't enter a hospital and demand an elective abortion as in your example.

That's why most abortions are done at clinics and hospitals that specifically will do abortions. Some states have added the requirement that elective abortions must be done where hospital access is available. This means it is no longer available because the hospital refuse abortion doctors having admitting privileges to bring a woman having an abortion into the hospital.
@Leonidas
"I definitely don't think this post was a genuine question, but instead an exploration of the morality of the current legal situation in the US."
Actually, the first question WAS a genuine question of application of legal theory in the way that it was framed, to wit, is it too much of a stretch to say that setting up a business is akin or even equivalent to signing a contract with the government? I made no reference, nor did I intend to make reference, to the morality or moral implications of any possible answer. In fact, I framed it in the way that I did specifically to avoid getting bogged down in the morality side of it -- on which I, in general, agree with you. I am genuinely asking, as a matter of applying the theory and law of contracts (on which I am rather poorly read), whether setting up a business under present American conditions would entail the implicit signing of a contract with the government.

As for the second question (i.e. about whether "the government is in fact the arbiter of who may and may not produce and offer goods and services"), I think it follows naturally from the first -- or perhaps precedes the first. It is perhaps a bit rhetorical, but I'm not really sure that the answer is an absolute answer "yes." I am, however, happy to listen to explanations of one or the other sides. And again, I don't care about the morality of the matter at this point; I'm looking for how to interpret the present legal and commercial landscape. Have we a lawyer in the house?
kahudd2000 (157 D)
06 Sep 15 UTC
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If it a legal question, there is no earthly way this would be extrapolated as a precedent.

The clerks job was to process legal documents, documents created by a court. It is literally contempt of court to not do so. Nothing was changed in our legal system by the jailing, so there it cannot be used as any kind of precedent for any NEW legal decision.

There is no nexus for a lawyer to argue that contempt of court -- a concept that has existed as long as courts have existed -- means all people everywhere have to do what the government says.


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