It's a live game. Don't join one if you don't have more than a few hours. If a man cannot join a live game and expect it to be played to the end for the fun of it, there is no point in livegames.

And to all that about your allies. Italy didn't CD until he was doomed, only 2 hours in. He left one time but managed to return. As for Germany, he left only 2 hours in also. A time were the alliance of France+Austria+Turkey was winning.

And as for your insult as of us trying to wait you out. We had the upperhand. We could see that we could win together. When you tried for your line you were all alone. It is natural that a game where Austria+Turkey work together well, and go for a mutual beneficial end, will last longer since it simply takes longer to get the fleets in place.

As for your "I had to leave" it started up as "in an hour" and after a while it was "in a few hours". That combined with the messages you sent whole game made us feel that this was your last grabbing for a straw - cause you were all ready doomed. This feeling for my part was because of the trolling and acting up when it went badly for you. If you had acted more mature, and hadn't called ppl foul names, as you are doing again now, it might have ended differently. But instead of using diplomacy, you started trying to grab some unreal moral high ground, which you simply did not possess.

And the maps clearly shows that you didn't succeed in making a draw line quite simply because you and France were at each others necks. Had you being able to do that I would have drawn right away, as I have done many times before. But you didn't manage that, and we saw it, so we went for the kill.

If CD's and RR was so important for you, you could simply realize that you had lost and act thereafter. Or not join a live game to begin with.

Thanking wjessop to take over this game for you, which clearly were about to end in our benefit, just shows you lack of moral and wanting to hurt us out of spite.

If you want others to play like good a sportsman, you might wanna act like one yourself - starting with an apology for calling me and Tonqariro for calling us idiots and disgraces.

Your moves were good. Your diplomacy wasn't good enough. Now take the defeat with proudness instead of being sour.

Italy had an NMR much earlier that alone is justification to draw/cancel.

If Germany and Italy had stayed, then they could have gotten word to France. France muted me, and that is why he refused to work with anyone. Germany and Italy each could have helped convince him to get a stalemate line up, but they left.

And even if my Diplomacy was not good enough, an individual NMR and 2 CDs were worse. ALSO WHEN I SAID

As for your "I had to leave" it started up as "in an hour" and after a while it was "in a few hours".

I left almost exactly one hour later. I wasn't 100% sure when, but i knew it was coming. YOU DIDNT EVEN ACCEPT A PAUSE ON THE DAMN GAME.

Then turkey started NMRing after wjessop came on board and you jumped on the chance to win. I have never seen more disgraceful actions, than a scum ridden pest who takes solos off of other's CDs.

And maybe I should have made more time for the game, but that wasn't the main problem. I said we should draw, and in THE GAME'S CHAT HERE IS WHAT YOU SAID:

07:59 PM Spring, 1916: Or let us draw like we were about to.

YOU WERE GOING TO DRAW, END THE GAME AFTER ALL THE CDs, AND LEAVE ME OUT OF IT.

that is dishonorable and pure shit, and you will not be getting an apology from me.

if they hadn't CDed and you had won, we would not be having this conversation. But you took advantage of me when you ran over Germany and Italy's territories with ease, which could have established a more effective stalemate line.

I dont want to hear the argument that i should have made more time. I know i should have but that wasnt the problem. you didnt draw when people ruined the game THAT WAS THE PROBLEM

1 NMR in mid-game is no justification for anything. If it's the start of the game, than yes, but not mid-game. Than you would never be able to finish a live-game. And the main reason for this is, that there are players who uses NMR's to force action from other players. It's a way of saying, if you don't help me, I will throw the game. That is why NMR never counts as a reason to draw when it is mid-game.

And pausing a live game in my opinion is just like cancelling it. You can never be sure that ppl will have time, at the same time, and that might as well ruin the game for those who actually made time for the live game they joined.

As for the Germany and Italy could have - well I doubt that. France hated Germany as well, and as I all ready told you Italy was doomed. Actually Italy was doomed because you eased up the Russians for us.

And as for wjessop join and the ending off the game - yes, that was a bit annoying. You are absolutely right, wjessop should not have joined the game just to try spite me and Turkey. I am betting that he joined cause you PM'ed him asking if he was in the game?

And yes. But you are taking that public message out of context. Had Wjessop not joined, me and Turkey (Without you or any England) would have drawed. And yes we were going to leave you out of it. I really can't see how you think that is not okay. You joined a live game. There was no NMR or CD's until mid-game (when you, Germany and Turkey had finished off Russia), there where only one NMR on Italy's part, which wouldn't have changed anything, and, as I have already told you, Germany CD'ed when he was loosing.

If you have to stop every live game because one player CD's when he is loosing or when one player NMR one move in mid-game than you have to stop every live game. That can simply not be the purpose with live-games.

What is "dishonorable and pure shit" is you. You are a sour looser who is only out to spite ppl who defeated you fair and square. And you showed that side of you already in-game when you started writing like this:

"the man CDs and you still refuse to draw? stubborn lot this bunch"

"i ate a coconut yesterday. weirdest fruit ever. or is it even a fruit?"

"but no 4 way? really stubborn"

"drupe droop over people who are duped"

And oh, the coup de grâce:
"he is worried about me betraying him i guess, smart for normal circumstances but it does make our borders tense."
Your lines about you're so-called ally

"4 way fine? cause italy is about to go"
Your lines of your end-view when Italy where about to loose - how on earth is it more fair to make a 4-way cause you have to leave, than making a 6-way because the others had to?

The problem is, and where, your lack of writing in a friendly tone. You disrespected players in-game right when you needed to be on good terms with others. As you are disrespecting me now.

And finaly. Just stop with your argument about "allies". You had only Germany in that game and even that was all to late for you to have any chance of winning. And the moves you made with him was - surprise surprise - against France. The only one you keep grasping a straw at. He hated you as well as Germany. So it would not have matered if Germany had stayed, cause it wouldn't have helped. Your alliance was low on SC's.
And Italy. Italy never made any moves that was coordinated with you.

The one who ruined that game was you. You keept thinking that the only right thing to do when you had to leave was to draw. That didn't matter when Germany had to leave. You didn't include him in your so called "honorable" way of ending the game.

As for the game end. Yes, it should not have ended that way, I regret that wjessop joined, and that that ruined the draw that we were about to make. Luckily Turkey saw that before he drawed, and so we kept on playing. And as you can see from those moves wjessop made he was not able, as you would not have been either, to hold a draw line.

When Germany was about to go your so called "alliance" of you Italy and Germany had only 16 SC. You were no where near a line that could hold a draw. That justified for us to play on as long as we wanted to. And so we did.

To summarize. It is okay to keep playing a live game even if someone CD's mid-game. It is okay to keep playing if someone makes NMR's mid-game. It is okay to play on even if someone thinks he can make a draw line if you think otherwise.
You lost. Please deal with it in a mature and respectful manner.

I was allies, my global chat was me being weird and me lying. How do you not expect that from this site?

and if there are 2 CDs and actually 2 NMRs from Germany (really early on) and Italy alike, that should be enough to justify a draw. And it wasn;t as if they had only 1 SC left when they died. Also, France my have been with you guys, but he muted me, so if thy had stayed they could have convinced him.

But that never happened, because they CDed. You deprived my of a chance at a better game by not drawing, if they had stayed, there was every chance you wouldn't have won

You still keep grasping for that single straw that Germany or Italy could have convinced France otherwise. Germany and France were at war. France was coordinating moves with me. The things you keep thinking could happen is so far fetched - it's surreal that you even imagine it as a possibility for you justifying a draw. France clearly distrusted you. And for a good reason.

If it was part of your tactic being weird and disrespectful - well that clearly backfired hard. As I have already mentioned that was one of the reasons that you didn't deserve and would not get a draw. - which France mute of you or not responding to your testifies.

You lost a live game cause you chose that "tactic". Whatever France was hoping for or aiming at he clearly thought that I and Turkey was the right ones to ally with and since he kept on attacking you even after we stabbed him he also showed that he would not give you any chance of a draw or a victory.

And - you are writing around the main thing here.
How on earth is it more "fair" to ask for a 4-way draw than a 6-way draw in those circumstances!
And did you PM to wjessop?

I did PM wjessop, and is is fair to draw when there is 0% chance due to CDs. Pre CDs there was an ok chance. It is your dismissal of a pause that also bugged me. That's what a pause is for, but you just shoved it to the side saying it was petty