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Partysane (10754 D(B))
14 Jun 14 UTC
World Barista Championships 2014
During the last week the World Barista Championships were conducted in Rimini (Italy). There the national champions of 54 countries promoted speciality coffee and direct trade / fair trade.
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bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
14 Jun 14 UTC
I Need Some Games
It's summer, I'm bored and unemployed, it's not spring anymore so I'm afraid to go outside, and I just bought a bunch of bitcoin that the US seized from Silk Road and I'm gonna go use it on Silk Road 2.0 - irony anyone?

Long story short - who wants to play...
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DniceG (0 DX)
14 Jun 14 UTC
parameter "fromterrID" set to invalid value "17" mean
This came up when I was playing a game as Italy. I tried to convoy an army from Greece to Marseilles ( I had fleets in the Ionian sea, tyrennien sea, and gulf of Lyon ) but when I try to support the convoy into Marseilles from the fleet in the gulf of Lyon it gives me the error parameter "fromterrID" set to invalid value "17". What does this mean and how can I fix this. I need an answer soon since the phase moves on at 5 in the morning pacific standard time
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Clyde Hancock (0 DX)
14 Jun 14 UTC
live gunboat
Join live gunboat game http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=143365 starts in 50 minutes
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goldfinger0303 (3157 DMod)
10 Jun 14 UTC
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Congratulations to the Masters 2013 Winners!
The tournament finally wrapped up in May - about 5 months behind schedule (ah well), and the results are in! Congratulations to The Hanged Man for coming in first place!
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krellin (80 DX)
13 Jun 14 UTC
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Dogs More Responsible then Liberals (Study)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2656101/Clever-boy-Dogs-prefer-EARN-treats-solving-problems-receiving-handouts.html

"In a series of experiments, scientists found dogs were happier when they earned a reward by performing a task, rather than just being handed a treat" Too bad all our government tit-sucking Liberals weren't dogs...
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Yellowjacket (835 D(B))
10 Jun 14 UTC
Another dead child in another school shooting
Nope, no problem here. Keep calm. Give thanks tonight that this child sacrificed himself so that you can maintain your right to bear arms.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/10/justice/oregon-high-school-shooting/
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ThatBuhlLarry (100 D)
13 Jun 14 UTC
World Game Anyone?
Created a live world game, starts in 1 day
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SYnapse (0 DX)
13 Jun 14 UTC
The languages game EOG
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bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
12 Jun 14 UTC
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Air Force Nearly Dropped Nuke on NC
http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/12/us/north-carolina-nuclear-bomb-drop/

Uhh... woopsies?
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NigeeBaby (100 D(G))
13 Jun 14 UTC
Iraq .... what a difference all those tax dollars and allied deaths made
Another blundering intervention into a foreign country thanks to Bush & Bliar and another nutter put in charge.
krellin (80 DX)
13 Jun 14 UTC
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We still have troops in....Germany, Japan, Korea, Philippines, etc....to expect that a measely 10 year occupation of Iraq was going to make a difference is just Libtard foolishness.

We needed to occupy them for **at least** a generation so that all the fucking nutjob terrorists would lost their grip on the people and be replaced by people who had grown up understanding how freedom is supposed to work.

Once again, Libtard failure to grasp the situation leads to failure and chaos.
krellin (80 DX)
13 Jun 14 UTC
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Incidently, Oblamer actually tried in the end to keep troops in Iraq...even he eventually figured it out...but by that time his disaster of a foreign policy essentially assured that the Iraqi government would kick his ass out.
NigeeBaby (100 D(G))
13 Jun 14 UTC
Of course the intelligence services have been so busy listening in to our telephone calls and hacking our e-mails that forgot something, oh yeah that's it, the bad guys.
Barack is so behind with the news I think he gets his Intel off of CNN.
PM David Cameron is way too busy patting himself on the back about the unfolding economic miracle in the Uk he too may have forgot where the real enemy is, no David not Brussels you moron, they are our allies.
Major cities throughout the Middle East are burning and yet the response seems to be switch on CNN, let's see what those A-rabs are up to today, wow man, they having some kind of party, fireworks everywhere and drunken people laying about man, it's an orgy.
Barack and Cameron, you have failed like Bush and Bliar but in a very different way,
No coordinated policies, no plans, no understanding of the effects that these wars may have on the world. It's like two white guys watching 2 black guys box.
White Guy 1: Who do you think will win, Sunni or Shia?
White Guy 2: Who cares? If both of them die then we win anyway
I opposed the Iraq war because of the long-term instability and wasteful loss of life and resources, now we see what it has brought to the region, another puppet leader financed by the West. Muslims more divided than ever.
We need Western leaders to stop burying there heads in the sand.
Guys there is shit happening out there. You need to get involved, no not by sending in troops or yet more arms !! That wasn't the answer before, it isn't the answer now.
The British Foreign Minister is off being charmed by some Hollywood actress while Iraq is up in flames, somebody tell the twat to turn on CNN or for the truth Al-Jazeera.
Where have we hidden all of those spy satellites that can read the print on a postage stamp? Maybe we had to turn them off to save on the electric.
Ever get fed up of the bollocks you hear from the people sponsored to feed you bullshit democracy.
Why have both Obama and Cameron been so useless on foreign policy, apparently Russian tanks are rolling in to Eastern Ukraine and Obama has released 5 Taliban leaders for a US deserter ..... wtf.
For those that are interested Syria is still happening, what is happening with the Iranian nuclear program, are they getting ready to nuke us?
What about North Korea and their long range rocket launching?
Why the Middle East burns it is of great concern in the White House how much the Chinese are spending on defense, like nothing else doing, let's wind up the Chinese.

Obama has said about Iraq that "all options are open" but not ground troops. Why not just let everyone out of Guantanomo and send them to Iraq, I very much doubt they could do a worse job than the Western diplomatic teams and ambassadors and intelligence services including our Peace Envoy to the Middle East Tony Bliar, at least then Obama would have kept one election promise, to close Gitmo.


obiwanobiwan (248 D)
13 Jun 14 UTC
Oh, yeah...Obama's fault--

Because it was HIS war, right?

HE voted to go into Iraq, right?
...Oops...no he didn't.
Well, HE was president and decided to go, right?
...Oops, nope...that was everyone's favorite beer-brained Texan, Dubya.

"We needed to occupy them for **at least** a generation so that all the fucking nutjob terrorists would lost their grip on the people and be replaced by people who had grown up understanding how freedom is supposed to work."

1. Who's PAYING for that shit, krellin? We've already spent tens of billions.

2. You volunteering, krellin? Thousands already dead in a pointless conflict...you volunteering to put your neck on the line for thankless sectarians?

3. Y4eah, um...the British already tried that...they occupied the area for MORE than just a generation...

Safe to say that if the Fucking British Empire couldn't stamp that sectarian shit out, it ain't gonna happen, not when they've been happily eviscerating one another for 1400+ years over who should've succeeded a supposed-prophet and illiterate general.

Libtard failure?

Try a Conservative Clusterfuck...

One YOUR generation forced on mine, helping to tank the economy, kill kids my age, and now WE have to pay for it and pick up the pieces.

Piss off.

(You won't, of course, you'll pop right back up, spewing more shit like the conservative little cockroach that you are...but it does feel good to stamp down on such disgusting vermin as yourself now and again, even if you disgusting in your relentless callousness, endless idiocy and supreme bigotry.)
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
13 Jun 14 UTC
“Ours is essentially a tragic age, so we refuse to take it tragically. The cataclysm has happened, we are among the ruins, we start to build up new little habitats, to have new little hopes. It is rather hard work: there is now no smooth road into the future: but we go round, or scramble over the obstacles. We’ve got to live, no matter how many skies have fallen.”

--D.H. Lawrence, "Lady Chatterley's Lover"

Some of the greatest opening lines of the 20th century in one of my favorite novels of all-time...

THAT is where you and your conservative ilk have my generation, krellin--

After the cataclysm, among the ruins, with no clear road into the future, and all amidst a tragic age...

But we refuse to take it tragically, we WILL live, no matter how many skies have fallen...

And we WILL outlast and defeat the likes of you in the end, and history will remember your ilk as a stain and a mistake.
NigeeBaby (100 D(G))
13 Jun 14 UTC
Obi I think Obama needs a little more than D.H. Lawrence, he needs a rocket up his arse, what the fuck are all the diplomats up to....... oh, global warming, ok all really busy then.
David Cameron had a meeting with Putin this week, what were they talking out, how many tanks to send in to the Ukraine or who would win the World Cup?
Draugnar (0 DX)
13 Jun 14 UTC
Obi, you do know Obama is older then Krellin or I, right? He is part of that generation too. And why hasn't he closed Guantanamo Bay? He promised he would 6 years ago when he got elected.
Draugnar (0 DX)
13 Jun 14 UTC
PS... I never backed Iraq. Only Afghanistan to kick some serious terrorist ass after 9/11. I know your memory isn't as clear as mine seeing as you were maybe 9 or so and I was 35, but I lost friends from HS who had gone on to work there after college as well as losing a friend at the Pentagon who was a Marine assigned there working towards his 20 years and retirement.
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
13 Jun 14 UTC
Why should he bother at all? Diplomats, aid, troops, money--

Give me one good reason that it WOULDN'T be throwing good money after bad at this point.

Nearly a DECADE in Iraq...what's it gotten them, what's it gotten us?

Enough is enough, and frankly, if Obama wants to send aid or troops or money ANYWHERE, it should be to the place that needs it most--

Ukraine.

Where NATO needs to secure themselves against Russia, and where we can have a fresh diplomatic start, rather than simply continue a decade-old mistake.

I'll give it to George H.W. Bush, turning 90 this week--he had the right idea.

Go in with a coalition,
Take the Iraqi army out quickly,
Get home,
No huge debts,
No huge body count.

I think he should have taken out Saddam while he was there (that I WILL credit Dubya with) but stay? Why? Who cares if it's a mess? It's always BEEN a mess!

And it's partially a mess because European nations and the Ottomans helped to influence borders that really don't always conform to the Sunni/Shiite divides.

Saddam was a terrible dictator, and was worth taking out.

Doesn't mean we should've stayed, and it doesn't mean we should have born ANYTHING like the brunt in cost--dollars AND lives lost--that we did.

It wasn't worth it, and it's hurt MY generation directly, cost us dead young men and cost us the surplus of the 1990s.

And I blame the krellins of this country for that, directly.
NigeeBaby (100 D(G))
13 Jun 14 UTC
A little insight to what is going on in Iraq from US security analyst Mr Cordesman.

The Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIS) faces growing challenges in its attempt to create a Islamic caliphate but political failures in Iraq threaten to create another Syria, says US security analyst Anthony Cordesman.

ISIS is now fighting on two fronts. It is making major gains in northern and western Iraq, and trying to take over a far larger portion of the rebel-held areas in Syria at the same time.

Its stated goal is to create a broader Islamic caliphate, but it already faces serious challenges in Syria from the al-Nusra Front and other rebel forces, and it has not shown it can make serious gains against President Bashar al-Assad's Hezbollah- and Iranian-backed forces.

It is also far from clear that Syrian urban and moderate Sunnis would ever accept ISIS rule, much less Alawites, or that Iran and Hezbollah would not further reinforce President Assad if ISIS really threatened to take Syria's major population centres.

Moreover, ISIS can never get US or European support, or official support from key Gulf states like Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates or Kuwait.
File image posted on a militant website in January 2014 shows fighters from the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant marching in Raqqa, Syria ISIS militants are fighting government forces in Syria

ISIS will also face growing challenges the moment it moves on Baghdad and Iraq's Shia south or against the Kurds.

It would threaten a key oil exporter, directly challenge Iran, and challenge the key southern Gulf states, possibly uniting states that otherwise are de facto enemies. Oil is simply too important to let ISIS seize all of Iraq, although creating any kind of unified front or rapid effective resistance to this level of ISIS gains does not seem likely.

What could be far more difficult, however, is preventing ISIS from creating at least a temporary enclave in western and northern Iraq and some parts of eastern and north-eastern Syria.
Anger and resentment

Part of Syria is already a power vacuum that President Assad seems willing to let fester and contain, at least until he can control all of Syria's major cities and the centre of the country.

As for Iraq, Prime Minister Nouri Maliki has been a divisive, ineffective authoritarian disaster.

ISIS did not really defeat the Iraqi security forces in Falluja, Ramadi, or Mosul. It instead exploited a level of Sunni anger and resentment that has grown steadily with each act of repression and growing authoritarianism since the 2010 election.
Undated image posted on a militant website in January 2014 shows Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant fighters next to a burning vehicle in Iraq's Anbar Province The precise size of ISIS is unclear but it is thought to include thousands of fighters

Mr Maliki's suppression of peaceful protests, attacks on key Sunni political figures, failures to share the nation's oil wealth, and alleged corruption all combined to recreate Sunni anger and support for armed resistance, as did the failure to hire the former Sons of Iraq - Sunni militias working with the US - and show respect for Sunni tribal leaders.

The police and army were allowed to sell positions and promotions while commanders were by-passed and Maliki loyalists given key roles.

Corruption grew in the use of funds by the prime minister's office - a prime minister that tried to be the minister of both defence and the interior while steadily manipulating the justice system.

This led to rising violence and casualties in 2011 and 2012, and a serious shift back towards civil war in 2013, long before ISIS first attacked Falluja and Ramadi in late 2013.
Worst days

The US-trained force lost unity, morale, leadership, and effectiveness. Good officers left or were pushed out or sidelined.

Unit cohesion dropped steadily, service support became a major problem, desertions and ghost soldiers increased, and sectarian tension grew.

The police deteriorated steadily and mixed corruption and abuses with a tendency to retreat to their stations whenever serious resistance occurred.

Mr Maliki became his own worst enemy, ignoring warnings from US advisers, dealing with Iran, and steadily losing confidence from Arab states while alienating the Iraqi Kurds.

His forces, which could not deal with urban warfare, tried to shell or bomb their way to victory, deserted under pressure, and found themselves under constant threat from low level ISIS and Sunni tribal attacks.

Some Iraqi forces still fought, as was the case in Samarra, but much of the west and north turned against Mr Maliki in spite of the abuses and extremism of ISIS.

This explains the collapse of the Iraqi force around Mosul, as well as the mass desertions and abandoned equipment and the other advances taking place, which now include Iraq's largest refinery.

It also raises serious questions about whether Iraq can move forward as long as Mr Maliki remains its leader.

He may still be able to bribe some key Sunni tribal leaders, and ISIS may soon alienate many Sunnis in the areas it occupies, but Mr Maliki has emerged as something approaching the Shia equivalent of Saddam Hussein, and is as much a threat to Iraq as ISIS.

Iraq desperately needs a truly national leader and one who puts the nation above himself.

Without one, ISIS may become a lasting enclave and regional threat - dividing Iraq into Shia, Sunni, and Kurdish sections - or drag Iraq back to the worst days of its civil war and create another Syria in Iraq.

Anthony Cordesman holds the Arleigh A Burke chair in Strategy at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington.
Draugnar (0 DX)
13 Jun 14 UTC
You can't tale out a dictator then leave as that just leaves a hole for the next dictator to fill. You have to stay to prevent that or you'll just keep returning to the scene of the crime to remove the next one.
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
13 Jun 14 UTC
"Obi, you do know Obama is older then Krellin or I, right? He is part of that generation too. And why hasn't he closed Guantanamo Bay? He promised he would 6 years ago when he got elected."

Yes...? O.o What's that have to do with it?

He didn't vote for an invasion of Iraq, I can't blame him for that...if HILLARY were in office, that might be a different story, as she DID vote for the war. I do hold that against her somewhat, but I'd still vote for her if she ran, but that's a whole other thread.

Obama didn't vote for this, why should I be angry at him for starting a war he didn't start?

As for Guantanamo--see the above regarding Hillary/Iraq.

Yes, I hold it against him that he betrayed his promise to close it,
Yes, I'd still have voted for him over McCain and Romney.

So I can credit a President I dislike (Bush for taking out Saddam) and blame a President I...I don't know if "like" describes my feeling of Obama, and it'll be interesting to see how he's remembered...I just know that, all the good and all the bad--he IS "my" President, the first one I got to vote for, and he was President as I entered the world of oh-so-fun adult-type stuff.

He's kind of like Los Angeles County and being Jewish is for me, in that way--

I love them all sometimes, sometimes I hate them, or am embarrassed by them...

But they've all shaped who I am today, they're a part of who I am, and there's no getting away from that.
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
13 Jun 14 UTC
"You can't tale out a dictator then leave as that just leaves a hole for the next dictator to fill."

That's the response I expected, and I say--nay.

I disagree--sometimes? Yeah, you have to fix what you broke.

Case in point--Japan. We bombed the hell out of the place, changed their government and all...yeah, you need to stay and see that Reconstruction works. (That'd be another example...Union troops WERE ultimately necessary to fully Reconstruct the South.)

But what if the place was already broken to begin with?

I submit that Iraq--and indeed, most of the Middle East--was already broken...so while we might have wanted a guy out of the way, that doesn't mean we have to fix a mess that's either 1. Always been broken or 2. Was broken by someone else (ie, the British and other European powers leaving.)

It sounds thuggish to want to just kill a dictator, but only because it is.

And sometimes, thuggishness is the way it goes in international politics. Dirty hands.
Theodosius (232 D(S))
13 Jun 14 UTC
Bush did admit that he took out Saddam because he didn't like him, not because of weapons of mass destruction and the other dozen things he peddled. He did, though, have a plan to reconstruct Iraq. Apparently it was a huge f'ing book with everything spelled out, details and work set up since another Bush was in power.. there was a guy they were grooming to be the president that they were paying a million bucks a year just to be friendly to the states. Tax dollars at work...

But a right-wing think tank convinced Bush that all that he had to do was get rid of laws and government interference and suddenly a western-style capitalist free-market economy would spontaneously erupt from the ashes because that's the natural state of mankind, don't you know. The book was tossed out, government was minimized, all because these economists forgot that something other than optimizing economic gains could be front and centre in everyone's minds. Revenge, for example. Religious and cultural differences, for another. Sometimes governments need to step back and let people work. But sometimes governments need to be strong and commanding to keep order.

Sure Saddam was bad, But what they have now is worse. As Krellin said, you need to stick around (but with a plan) to make it work. Either that or not get involved. And the big book might of worked. The book, no matter whatever was in it, was better than to just create a big hole and assume that what you want will come out of it. If you make a hole, whatever is closest will fill it. Good government and a good economic and legal system is something that has to be worked at, not appear out of nowhere.

What is interesting, though, is that the Kurdish minority basically armed themselves, made sure they got some autonomy, and ruled themselves as much as they could. Now the refugees from the rest of Iraq are fleeing everywhere, but also to the Kurdish area, which is stable and, considering the area, well-run. That shows what a lot of hard work can do in the area, for those that want to do it.
Draugnar (0 DX)
13 Jun 14 UTC
I didn't say fix it all, but don't leave a hole. Get a provisional govmt in place then leave. We have hung around far too long.
Theodosius (232 D(S))
13 Jun 14 UTC
"And it's partially a mess because European nations and the Ottomans helped to influence borders that really don't always conform to the Sunni/Shiite divides."

That's a huge part of it. Ditto with Africa and their tribes.


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krellin (80 DX)
12 Jun 14 UTC
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Oh No! I'm SCARED!!!!
I just learned about something that happened 50 years ago and it was scary and now *I'm scared*!!! Oh no..someone help me!!!!
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
11 Jun 14 UTC
House Majority Leader Eric Cantor LOSES Primary to Tea Party Candidate
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/11/us/politics/eric-cantor-loses-gop-primary.html I hate to post two threads in one day, but wow...that's a stunner! He was supposed to be a rising star in the GOP, and reasonably conservative, too...I said back during the Government Shutdown that it was going to hurt moderates more than the Tea Partyers, but WOW...I never thought someone as conservative as Cantor would go. Isolated (if astounding) incident, or indicative of a bigger shift?
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denis (864 D)
12 Jun 14 UTC
Replacements for Live Gunboat
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=143290 Austria and England
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CommanderByron (801 D(S))
12 Jun 14 UTC
Civil Disorder
I'm a genuine noob, what is Civil Disorder (in this game) and simply looking for an explanation.
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ssorenn (0 DX)
11 Jun 14 UTC
Two team members per country game?
gameID=143236

Here's the link for anyone interested in the game.
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TheMinisterOfWar (509 D)
12 Jun 14 UTC
Political polarization in the US
Interesting data on longitudinal political polarization in the US:

http://www.people-press.org/2014/06/12/political-polarization-in-the-american-public/
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Chaqa (3971 D(B))
11 Jun 14 UTC
Mafia III Game Thread
Stuff to follow.
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ILN (100 D)
12 Jun 14 UTC
Man protects daughter from thugs... with a gun
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/husband-and-wife-open-fire-on-gunmen-who-try-to/article_29109617-bc56-534f-82e6-d36ccba40c38.html
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Maniac (189 D(B))
08 Jun 14 UTC
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What kind of site moderation do we want?
I know that we've had this discussion before. I can't recall what we all preferred, but we have ended up with a mod who sees it as OK to taunt, hound and attempt to out-bully another member. Not only is that likely to bring the site into disrepute but it is borderline criminal in Kestas jurisdiction and could lead to site sanctions. Is this what we want?
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denis (864 D)
11 Jun 14 UTC
So a Live Game has been paused
A live game has been paused due to Russia's impending absence, I was wondering if it doesn't start back up as a live game (as paused live games often never do) could a mod change it to a different time per phase so that the game could continue
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
02 Jun 14 UTC
The Favorite Author Tournament: The Sweet 16
Into Round 3 we go, with Team Virgil once again eking out a victory to move on...will it happen again? Will Rowling or Woolf be able to keep busting through that glass ceiling and move on as the only two female authors left? Will Asimov continue to keep the hopes of fans alive, as after a glut of sci-fi writers to start, he's the last one standing? Will Thucy drop the "vote 12 times per turn" thing now that Thoreau and Laozi have gone the way of Shakespeare? 16 enter, 8 move on!
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steephie22 (182 D(S))
11 Jun 14 UTC
What to do with a bent splint (right word?) in my mouth?
I already called the dentist and I'm going there tomorrow morning since earlier is impossible, but meanwhile I was wondering if there's something I can do to make it less damaging. The thing is that it's very much irritating the flesh around the teeth, as well as presumably pulling my teeth out of position. Can anyone think of a fix?
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Bayclown (0 DX)
11 Jun 14 UTC
Far Cry
Saw some Far Cry 4 footage and it looks pretty interesting. I've never played any of the games in the series are they worth picking up?
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NigeeBaby (100 D(G))
11 Jun 14 UTC
Tony Bliar - Working his magic in the Middle East
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-27800319

Is this a good time to review Tony Bliars role as Middle East Peace Envoy?
I hope it is not payment by results, I don't think he could afford it !!
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SYnapse (0 DX)
11 Jun 14 UTC
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Funniest exchange in a game I've seen so far
Autumn, 1916: Turkey : (OOC: I had a close family member pass away this weekend. Sorry for NMR.)
Autumn, 1916: Austria: Fuck's sake Turkey do you want to lose?
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President Eden (2750 D)
09 Jun 14 UTC
Mafia III: Trouble On The Fruited Plain
As above, below
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bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
10 Jun 14 UTC
"Hard Choices" by Hillary Clinton
Hillary Clinton's new book came out today, June 10. See below for the point of this post.
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bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
10 Jun 14 UTC
bo_sox48 Chastisement Thread
I feel left out. Hit me.
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SandgooseXXI (113 D)
10 Jun 14 UTC
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Sandgoose Chastisement Thread
Go on, spank me, call me a bad little boy. It only gets harder from here...if you know what I mean. ;)
#countonsandgoose #justiceforjmo #fapfapfap
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