North Korea ought to hurry up and push the button.

@JY: Ok. Trump didn't say "Neo nazis" but he was clearly referring to the *actual* neo nazis in Charlottesville when he said, "very fine people on both sides."

"At will" employees can be fired for just about any reason.

U! S! A!
U! S! A!
U! S! A!

If I was Nd's employer I'd call him into my office tomorrow and fire him for not wearing patriotic enough underpants.

@ND
@JAMES YANUCK
@LEON

Answer this question before you post again in this thread:

- Let's say I'm the white owner of a flourishing business in Florida, selling ice creams across the USA. Watermelon is our favourite flavour.
- Let's say I decide that my Company's theme song shall be the 1916 song "Nigger Love A Watermelon Ha! Ha! Ha!"
(http://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2014/05/11/310708342/recall-that-ice-cream-truck-song-we-have-unpleasant-news-for-you)

- As the employer I DEMAND that all of my employees stand up at their desks or workplaces at exactly 1pm each day and sing this song.

- I monitor every workplace and any employee not enthusiastically singing "Nigger Love A Watermelon Ha! Ha! Ha!" is fired on the spot.

QUESTION: Do you support my policy? Would you sing the song?

Helen, Mike tomlin is catching a lot of flak today for his little dig at Al Its all over twitter, so go ahead with your nonsense, but its out there and Tomlin looks like an idiot.

http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2017/09/25/steelers-coach-mike-tomlin-raps-alejandro-villanueva-for-standing-for-national-anthem.html

I picked the first link that came up, but there was about 4 dozen.

Feel free to call me a racist now, since what I said was quite obviously TRUE.

Tomlin did not *RAP* Villanueva. That's FAUX NEWS trying to stir up a hornets nest.

@HelenOfTroy

"I am still SICKENED by the fact that the USA is, as confirmed by you poor people, a nation where people can be fired from their jobs for not agreeing with the same political views as the company that employs them.


QUESTION FOR ALL OF YOU:

Is that:

A: Undemocratic
B: Awesome - go USA!!!!!!!!!!1111!!!!!
C: Disgustingly undemocratic."

just like in the James Demore case with Google, i believe any company should be allowed to fire any employee they don't want working for them.



"Answer this question before you post again in this thread:"

sure



"- Let's say I'm the white owner of a flourishing business in Florida, selling ice creams across the USA. Watermelon is our favourite flavour.
- Let's say I decide that my Company's theme song shall be the 1916 song "Nigger Love A Watermelon Ha! Ha! Ha!"
(http://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2014/05/11/310708342/recall-that-ice-cream-truck-song-we-have-unpleasant-news-for-you)"

may i just say the original name of that song was Turkey in the Straw, and the ice cream trucks play a hymn, not actually with lyrics.

but, assuming you DID want to play that song, it'd be permissible on a few grounds, the most pertinent of which is how boisterous and loud you're allowed to be while advertising. i'm not an expert in food/ice cream truck laws though, so this may vary GREATLY.



"- As the employer I DEMAND that all of my employees stand up at their desks or workplaces at exactly 1pm each day and sing this song.

- I monitor every workplace and any employee not enthusiastically singing "Nigger Love A Watermelon Ha! Ha! Ha!" is fired on the spot."

QUESTION: Do you support my policy? Would you sing the song?"

no, i'd leave. because as an employee, i only have to follow what's stipulated in my contract. if you do this out of the blue and make it policy, i wouldn't follow it. if this were a condition when i FIRST signed up for work, i'd look for another job.


here's the thing @HelenOfTroy, most businesses that implement such policies, fail quickly. that's the invisible hand of the market place bitch slapping them to the ground.

there's also a basic freedom of association at play here. and as for specific market forces, the labor supply that is obviously against such workplace behavior would be looking for an alternative place to work. this immediate breeding of competition (assuming regulatory policy hasn't created a monopoly, like... well, every other monopoly in the history of america on a national scale) then you'd go out of business.

Kunta, there is a damn video of Tomlin ripping him....i dont care what website the video came from, he said it, he owns it.

My goodness, is it THAT hard to think Mike Tomlin is a Dbag also?

that shoudl have said Kuta

Jerry Jones and the entire squad of the Dallas Cowboys--AMERICA'S TEAM--took a knee in a show of unity.

Think about that.

"@JY: Ok. Trump didn't say "Neo nazis" but he was clearly referring to the *actual* neo nazis in Charlottesville when he said, "very fine people on both sides."

no, that's only clear to you

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/08/trump-defends-white-nationalist-protesters-some-very-fine-people-on-both-sides/537012/

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I’ve condemned neo-Nazis. I’ve condemned many different groups. But not all of those people were neo-Nazis, believe me,” he said.

“You had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists,” Trump said. “The press has treated them absolutely unfairly.”

“You also had some very fine people on both sides,” he said.
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now, you can say that Trump was wrong and that everyone at Charlottesville was a neo-nazi, but it's WAAAAY too far of a stretch to say that Trump said that he thought the neo-nazis were very fine people.

let's look at that Trump quote

"You had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists"

hmmm... once again, you can claim trump is delusional, but it's very clear he's NOT referring to the neo-nazis and white nationalists.

and? SO what if they took a knee, is it important? NFL revenues are down again this year, so they will keep up with this, and they will get what they deserve I guess.

Al Villanueva has the hottest selling Jersey in America now...lol #1, even more than old #12 in New England

don't confuse Trump being stupid with Trump being an evil genius.


he's MUCH more stupid than you guys give him credit for

@Stressedlines

Tomlin seemed perfectly fair in what he said. can you give me a quote from him that you found controversial?

Maybe Tomlin is a d-bag. But if you're referring to his postgame interview, he didn't call out Villanueva.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEPFgpHtNWc

The fact that Villanueva's shirt shot up to #1 reflects more on the kneejerk emotional reactions of anthem supporters (the same ones who are burning their Steelers schwag) and their poor logic and reasoning abilities.

"that's the invisible hand of the market place bitch slapping them to the ground."

I'd say it's the United States Constitution and centuries of legal precedent that slap those businesses to the ground.

where he said "I didnt want him to stand, i wanted it 100%. I wanted everyone to be respectful of our team" translation " big Al disrespected him and the team, which of course is BS

I cant be the only person who thinks this, as there was a Poll on ESPN about Tomlin calling out Al.

Tomlin did *not* say "I didn't want him (Villanueva) to stand."

"I wont have someone divide this team" Maybe I am looking at another video, posted on the Steelers site Its about 30 minutes long

Why would you assume "someone" refers to Villanueva and not the external corrosive agents known as Donald J. Trump?

@JK

the us constitution protects freedom of association, it's purely state law that attacked the racist business practices.

of course, the axe cuts both ways. the jim crow laws also DEMANDED segregated stores in the south, with segregated bathrooms.

that thing you're praising helped enshrine the problem in the first place. i personally think freedom of association is the way to go, and cultural ostracizing of racism should be the method of destroying businesses.

there's a weird time period going on right now where many people feel entitled to a business serving them, despite the whole purpose of a business being purely voluntary transactions on each party's side. now since the government can legislate directly how businesses must act. this has slowly been extended into a fairly large regulatory state, and we even have the controversy behind whether or not bakeries that are christian have to cater gay weddings, if it's against religious belief. businesses are no longer seen as personal ventures, they're seen as merely operations whose existence are blessed by the state.

it's not to say i'd prefer more racism in business, it's just that each alternative looks frustrating in different ways


@Stressedlines

"I didnt want him to stand"

he did not say that at any point...

he did talk about 100% participation, but he never called out Villanueva by name, although i did see that point in the video at about 3:20 and he did say he was looking for 100% participation... he seemed a bit flustered, but it's also clear he doesn't really want to deal with political shit. i don't think he did much wrong

cuz he was the only 'someone' who didnt do what the team voted on...lol

You have to listen to the context he is talking about it in, but that someone was only one guy.

btw, his Jersey is selling for $100 now...i may go get one

@JY: I've mentioned this here before. If a business wants to restrict its clientele, it should become a membership only club. If you just hang out a shingle and be open to the public, you must accept business from all members of the public. Simply structure the corporation appropriately and go about your business.

@JK

that's just the thing, "public" vs "private" used to be fairly arbitrary, but nowadays there are specific market transactions that the government is involved in, and there is a legal structure for private vs public.

now a religious baker might be a "private" baker but there will be many more restrictions from him entering into a common marketplace and he won't be able to operate successfully, whereas if he is a "public" baker now he might have to go against his own religion to stay in business.

the government is effectively creating a system where you are not allowed to hold any kind of religious or personal view while you are a part of a business that operates to the general public.

i find this a massive overreach on the part of the government. they're defacto legislating for competitive advantages to secular businesses. i'm not even religious but i have a problem with this.

for you, Jeff Kuta, what should be the difference between "private" and "public"???


for me, all business should operate on -for 99.9% - the same standard.

i own something, and i am willing to sell this to whomever i please at a price set at whatever i please.

i can buy something form anyone who is willing to sell to me, at whatever price i can negotiate.

in this way, if the price is too high, the market creates a surplus which is bad for the supplier, and the price has a downward pressure on it. basic economics take effect.

furthermore, the more i restrict the pool of demand, the higher my prices will be compared to other companies, and thus the less business i will attract.


there used to be the "we withhold the right to refuse service to anyone" it seems like the government telling all "public" businesses that they must serve everyone the product exactly the same is a bit of an overreach.

C

So, Villanueva knocked Kaepernick off his top spot in jersey sales? That's too bad