My family came to the US as refugees in the 40's, was that a mistake too?

You specifically condescation. Yes

Oh. That was direct and personal. Did you cry?

WTF is wrong with controlling boarders? Nothing. It's. 90 day ban till a processes can be put in place. Will some people's toes get stepped on. Yes. That's unfortunate. But hopefully the beaurocracy will be put aside. And they can find a way to expedite the process. If they don't, that's another conversation.

I need to prove nothing. It's as mainstream an idea as there is. If it wasn't, I don't think we would be having this conversation

@ ssorenn:

"I want my tax dollars to go for the good of the people who rightfully belong in my country."

Do you not regard people who have already been through a lengthy vetting process and been given the legal right of permanent residency as "rightfully" being in the USA?

"I need to prove nothing."

Says the man who cannot prove any of his claims.

@ssorenn I was referring to anti jewish immigration propaganda in the 40's. You guys are identical to the isolationists then who advocated for staying out of the war and not taking Jewish refugees.

Also, I think a personal example works because *gasp* your side wants to subject refugees to death and starvation and torture by leaving them in these genocidal hellholes. It turns out that being able to see them as human beings helps.

But anyway yeah your side was saying the same shit in the 40's.

if you want to be internally consistent, then you can say that we shouldn't have taken Jewish refugees, and then we can all agree that you actually are a nazi. Otherwise, what's the difference between refugees from Syria in 2016 and refugees from Poland in 1940?

http://www.snopes.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/dr-seuss-foreign-children.jpeg

What would Jesus do? Would Jesus build a wall and ban refugees? Would he?

You people are terrible Christians.

Jamie. There are an unfortunate few. Beaurocracy sucks at its worst moments

"at its worst moments"

- this is definitely one of those.

Um no --- not close. You are a retard condescension

Why is it not close?

I have living family members who were in camps and they say that the rhetoric now from the right is not so different from how it was then. Chew on that.

Please outline how Syrian refugees are different from Jewish refugees in the 40's.

it is probably worse then that seuss cartoon because we are actively blowing up many of the countries that we are refusing to accept refugees from. it doesn't get more morally vile than that.

I make no apologies for wanting a tougher vetting process. I have nothing against muslims I don't care what anyone's religious affiliation is. If it's possible to bet out radicals I'm all for it at whatever cost. If your a good human I'd love to have you here in this country. So what's 3 months in the scheme of things. Not much.

Can you name anything specific about the current 18-24 month vetting process that isn't sufficient or is it just some vague "terrorists are flooding the border" mentality motivating support for what you should know is Steve Bannon's contempt for successful brown people in America?

Do you have any evidence for why the current vetting process isn't working?

also, lol @ ssorenn dodging the question. Why should we not take refugees?

i think the least convincing part of ssorenn's argument is the notion that we should settle down and trust that trump and his minions are going to proceed with soberness, thoughtfulness, consideration, empathy, and judiciousness. What the fuck have you seen in the past 2 years that makes you think this is going to just be a reasonable, temporary procedure? This is just a laughable, blind, naive position, unless you truly believe in president* trump.

making excuses for and smoothing over authoriarian impulses is how authoritarian governments take power. a tale as old as time.

Well the first reason you don't want to accept refugees or immigrants is that clearly the USA wants to win less Nobel prizes for scientific progress. ( I am advised that since WW 2 the USA has won slightly more than half the Nobel prizes in science, technology and health/medical fields and that slightly more than a third of the Nobel prizes won by the USA were won by immigrants / refugees, and a significant number have been won for the USA by the children of refugees.
It's Daffy Donald Trump's plan to improve the USA economy by dumbing down the "lumpenproletariat" and along with his other actions that are already "working nicely " and are " beautiful things" you can see the immediate benefits as the US dollar has taken a nosedive and is worth less as those idiotic Capitalists write down the US dollar. It's the best way to make the USA competitive, trash the US dollar so imports cost more and exports are more competitive. Now if Trump can abolish the minimum wage rate you're just about there, a newly minted banana republic.

More people die from lightning strikes in the US than from immigrant terrorists.

I make no excuses retard. Go fuck yourself. I'm not sure trump wants power. I think he may be deregulateing the govt. that's not a power grab If you want to be a sheep, go ahead.

Ssorenn, why was it wrong for the US to deny Jewish refugees but not wrong for them to deny Syrian refugees who are escaping similar violence?

Please answer the question.

You definitely don't need to make any excuses, you can just admit to being fascist. Stop pretending.