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TerraCottaGamer (100 D)
20 Aug 15 UTC
Help the noob
I am in my first game and need a clarification. The setting was for 1 day/phase. The first phase is coming to a close. Is that just the diplomacy phase and then I will have another day to get my orders in - or - do orders have to be in at the end of the first phase.

Sorry for the noob question but I have searched the site and could not find the answer.
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kahudd2000 (157 D)
18 Aug 15 UTC
Daoism and the Gita -- in the weeds
Starting this thread as to not hijack (any further) the philosophy book thread.
kahudd2000 (157 D)
18 Aug 15 UTC
My conversation with Thucydides got turned around somehow. On sleeping on it, I think the disagreement isn't about what Daoism tells you to do, it's about what the Gita says.

My entry-point is that they have a different emphasis, though they are certainly coming at it in a different direction than most of contemporary Western thinking.
kahudd2000 (157 D)
18 Aug 15 UTC
I eventually want to use a different example than teaching, but I have two parts of the TTC I want to point to:

From Section 2

. . . the Sage is devoted to non-action. Moves without teaching, creates 10,000 things without instruction.

From Section 23
Spare words: nature's way.

Violent winds do not blow all morning. Sudden rains cannot pour all day. . .

If Heaven and Earth do not blow and pour for long, how much less should human?

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At least when I read these passages I was struck with the futility of repeating something over and over and over again.
principians (881 D)
18 Aug 15 UTC
My limited experience with taism comes from the nonreligious practice of taoist martial arts: tai chi, chi kung and kung-fu-nei-chia (the "wudang" wushu, different from the "shaolin" wushu, which is budhist). Take my words as one of a nonscholar and far from expertise, but I'd say ch. 2 has more to do with "learn by experience rather than from words" (which in practice does not mean that the teacher won't try to explain things with words, but just that the emphasis is "don't take my words too seriously, but take the practice as seriously as you can"). Ch. 23 has more to do with rage.

Yes, there's a certain minimalism in taoism, but I'd say it has not more to do with "whether" you act than with "how" do you act.

They've repeated us frequently this: "The perect form is the pure content" which means you don't make any needless movemente, and you don't stop making any necessary movement.
principians (881 D)
18 Aug 15 UTC
"The perect form is the pure content" is clearly not very "perfect" lol
kahudd2000 (157 D)
18 Aug 15 UTC
I think we are agreeing more than we are not.

I don't think the TTC is forbidding you from using words. It is describing how they often don't work, and that doubling down on words gets less and less useful. The emphasis in Daoism is you are wasting your breath. You get to do that, fine.

I am just saying that the Gita's emphasis is different. It's emphasis is on action, how action is inevitable, how it can something to be absorbed in, but something you should not be attached to.

Daoism: You can accomplish much by being centered. Your actions can be so subtle as to not be noticed. These are often the most effective actions, even though they go unnoticed.

Gita: Do not operate in bad faith. Do not become attached to stillness. Do not become attached to the reward of the action, but the action itself.
principians (881 D)
18 Aug 15 UTC
Well yes, when I say teacher reminds us of things over and over and over again, I didn't mean he'll necessarily do it using words, but it's still true we often have to repeat movements over and over and over and over .... again.

Maybe the point is that the concept of teaching taoist martial arts is not the same as the concept of teaching something a child (it probably should be, and maybe we'd have better education)
kahudd2000 (157 D)
18 Aug 15 UTC
That makes sense. The arts (including the martial arts) --as well as coaching -- are some of the best models (and examples) of teaching I can think of.
Thucydides (864 D (B))
18 Aug 15 UTC
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Daoism: You can accomplish much by being centered. Your actions can be so subtle as to not be noticed. These are often the most effective actions, even though they go unnoticed.

Gita: Do not operate in bad faith. Do not become attached to stillness. Do not become attached to the reward of the action, but the action itself."

I still just don't see the conflict in this? They are talking about different things.

And sure we repeat movements over and over and over again - that's what living things do. I don't think your quoted passage means "do different things all the time" so much as "don't assume that what you are doing will go on forever."
kahudd2000 (157 D)
18 Aug 15 UTC
I don't see a conflict in this either. I am saying they have a different emphasis.

On the other thread, I merely stated the Gita is a good counter-point to the Daoist texts. I did not mean a repudiation.

I'll just speak for myself here. The Gita helped open my eyes to the problem with an attachment to stillness.

I love the language of the 3-fold division of purity, passion, and darkness. Darkness here doesn't mean evil, per se, but neglect. Passion means the kind roller-coaster that most people run on as the default. And purity is to be encouraged. It is to act and not be concerned with the fruit of the action. The Gita reminds me to live in this moment, one that often has actions.
Thucydides (864 D (B))
19 Aug 15 UTC
I agree they have different emphases. I would say the Hindu texts emphasize the inner life of the soul, whereas the Taoist texts emphasize the connection on the person to all the events of Nature. Both agree with each other, but are mostly using two different ways of illustrating their point. Together they are a powerful worldview.
fiedler (1293 D)
19 Aug 15 UTC
I like Chinese
principians (881 D)
19 Aug 15 UTC
Kahudd, which would you say there's in the Bhagavad Gita? a kind of teism, deism, panteism panenteism or somethingelsism?
dirge (768 D (B))
19 Aug 15 UTC
I'd go to the Indian buffet over a gelatinous Chinese buffet any day.
kahudd2000 (157 D)
19 Aug 15 UTC
I think it more pantheistic than anything else.

Now granted there is an Avatar of the god Vishnu talking, but he in turn is an Avatar of the one supreme, which all is a part of.
fiedler (1293 D)
20 Aug 15 UTC
The world today seems absolutely crackers
With nuclear bombs to blow us all sky high
There's fools and idiots sittin' on the trigger
It's depressing and it's senseless, and that's why


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JamesYanik (548 D)
20 Aug 15 UTC
World Cat games are quite rare in live form EOG
gameID=166320
wow, i love these games!!!
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idealist (680 D)
19 Aug 15 UTC
Question: how do we communicate with moderators on this forum?
see title
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ssorenn (0 D X)
18 Aug 15 UTC
Looking for more friends and enemies.
Come get some game on 25hour/30-100pt/wta/FP/Anon
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PrincessJellyfish (186 D)
19 Aug 15 UTC
Need one more player
Hello! We need one more player in The House of Black and White. Please join, if you're interested! http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=166112
Password: history
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redhouse1938 (429 D)
18 Aug 15 UTC
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"What the Black Lives Matter campaign gets wrong" - the Economist gets it right
Is it my impression, or has it taken too long for the mainstream media to expose the Black Lives Matter movement in America for the nonsense that it is?

http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2015/08/race-and-criminal-justice
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NerfedFalcon (100 D)
14 Aug 15 UTC
New player looking for advice
As someone who's never played Diplomacy before, I don't really want to join a game that's already in progress, being unable to gauge its position. At the same time, if I start a game that I want to say is 'for noobs' then a bunch of people will join it and destroy everyone else. There also aren't any starting-up games which will accept me as a brand-new player. Which approach is better for getting started: picking up games in progress, or starting my own games?
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keyser42soze (151 D)
17 Aug 15 UTC
Hoping for a love child from webDiplomacy and Backstabbr
I just started playing online for the first time since the Diplomacy Judge days, and have a couple games here and a couple games at Backstabbr. I love the features here, but the UI for Backstabbr is far nicer (in the sense that it's easier to tell what's happening on the board). Any chance the developers here would work on a cleaner UI inspired by Backstabbr? Do others agree that the webDiplomacy UI could be improved?
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abgemacht (1076 D (G))
16 Aug 15 UTC
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World of Warships
I'll be playing World of Warships for a while. If anyone's interested in joining me, feel free to add me.

If you don't know, WoWS is a very fun Free-to-Play game: http://worldofwarships.com/
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kahudd2000 (157 D)
18 Aug 15 UTC
Where it went wrong
I thought I remember a proposed series called "Where it went wrong" or something like that.

Did no one have a game they wanted dissected? Because I wouldn't mind submitting some of my gunboat play to criticism.
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A_Tin_Can (2244 D)
19 Aug 15 UTC
Live game this Friday?
see inside!
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Hamilton Brian (701 D (B))
19 Aug 15 UTC
Sources of Tension
An exploration of those positionings that test an alliance. Feel free to add your thoughts, views, observations, etc. If you shit though, clean up after yourself.
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Ogion (4075 D)
14 Aug 15 UTC
Welcome back party!
Friends,

I've been away for the last six months, and I thought I'd throw myself a little welcome back bash.
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ckroberts (3548 D)
05 Aug 15 UTC
The Mountain Game 4 rules discussion/sign up thread
The Mountain Game 4 will commence soon.
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Rodgersd09 (100 D)
17 Aug 15 UTC
"A good games" was cancelled - Do any players know why?
Damn - I was enjoying it as well!
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Constitutional Rights for Embryonic Americans?
In the GOP debate last Thursday, unsurprisingly, abortion was a point of discussion amongst candidates. Obviously they were all pro-life to some extent or another, but Mike Huckabee went so far as to say that abortion was already illegal, because unborn children have the rights to equal protection under the law and due process. Right from conception, they have constitutional rights, he argues.

Regardless of your position on abortion, is this a valid argument?
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Jamiet99uk (795 D)
12 Aug 15 UTC
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Mafia
I'm getting sick of muting Mafia threads. Can someone launch a separate site for them or something?
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ssorenn (0 D X)
14 Aug 15 UTC
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Changes to site policy--
With this gunboat tourney going on, I think there should be a change to a site policy. ----see inside---
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orathaic (1009 D (B))
15 Aug 15 UTC
sex slavery in IS
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/middle-east/sex-slavery-adopted-and-codified-by-islamic-state-1.2317309
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2ndWhiteLine (3375 D (B))
12 Aug 15 UTC
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2015 Gunboat Tournament
See inside.
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DeathLlama8 (519 D)
15 Aug 15 UTC
What do people use to adjudicate F2F games without a board?
Fairly self-explanatory, really. Backstabbr doesn't really work for me.
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Eadan (454 D)
15 Aug 15 UTC
We need someone to step in as Egypt
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=164461#votebar
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King Mischief (108 D)
15 Aug 15 UTC
world take over-4
come join world take over-4. I'm some what new to the game so, it could be easy $$$.
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Stubie (1817 D)
14 Aug 15 UTC
Cutting Convoys
Is it possible to stop a supported convoy (where the fleet convoying is supported) with a supported attack of equal support, thus not dislodging the convoying fleet?
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Lebosfc17 (20 D X)
14 Aug 15 UTC
To The Mods
Does anybody remember DC35?
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Fluminator (500 D)
14 Aug 15 UTC
I need help with a research paper!
It's due tomorrow night and I have to do a 12-15 page paper on how the internet of things and the third industrial revolution will affect society and more importantly the work force and employment.

I'm up to around 10 pages and I have no idea what to write for the last 2.
And no, increasing the font size of each period isn't allowed.
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4-8-15-16-23-42 (352 D)
14 Aug 15 UTC
Question- Help
See below.
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general (100 D)
13 Aug 15 UTC
Quick live game
Join my quick live game: http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=165983.

Haven't played in years and want to get back into it :)
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orathaic (1009 D (B))
13 Aug 15 UTC
Messed up, two 13 year olds tired as adults
m.huffpost.com/us/entry/7979942?cps=gravity_5540_1138476008340655834

So teenagers brains are different from adult brains; that is a reason why we don't let them drink or drive... The frontal lobe which controls will-power and executive function ( ie decision making ) continues developing until about 25.
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