Yes, and it's time the world intervenes in North Korea, Myanmar, Pakistan, Peru, Syria, Sudan, Ethiopia, and a number of others as well, but unfortunately, it's not that simple.

Western powers are actively propping up the Israeli regime. Moving to a position of doing nothing, by which I mean withdrawing that support, would be a good start.

"Yes, and it's time the world intervenes in North Korea, Myanmar, Pakistan, Peru, Syria, Sudan, Ethiopia, and a number of others as well, but unfortunately, it's not that simple."

Except they do intervene in Sudan, Myanmar, Pakistan, Syria, and North Korea.

But Israel is a "good guy" so nothing will happen.

The European Union has already voted to withdraw that support and actively reverse it as far as I know. The only two western countries still vocally supporting Israel are the UK, the UK probably because they are responsible for the creation of Israel (but I don't really know) and the US because it's clearly in our interest in a region where everyone else hates us.

There was hardly an intervention in Sudan, and whatever amount of intervention there was, it didn't result in anything. I don't know of any intervention in Myanmar or Pakistan. I don't care to follow the media propaganda machine that dictates what we know about the conflict in Syria so I have no idea what's going on there. And please, no one has done shit about North Korea.

Are you kidding? Bashir couldn't leave his country as a head of state without fear of being arrested and Sudan was hit with severe sanctions. Severe pressure was put on Sudan to recognize South Sudan. North Korea is also hit with severe sanctions and a huge military force exists right across the border that frequently engages with the North Koreans. Pakistan has been hit with more drone strikes than I can count. Myanmar was also hit with crippling sanctions. There are more types of interventions than just Iraq style invasions.

"the US because it's clearly in our interest in a region where everyone else hates us."

Everybody except the GCC, Jordan, Egypt, Turkey, just to name a few.

" it didn't result in anything"

I like how having your country torn in half, with the other half having the ability to fuck up your water access as well as get huge shares of oil previously under your control is "nothing".

Putin, I know you have a thing against the US, but if Israel is anti-Iran, the US is going to support them. I don't like it either but you can't get around it.

I don't know what your third post even means so I'm not going to address it. I guess you think I'm in favor of tearing entire countries apart as the West has done in Africa and is working on doing in the Middle East too. I don't feel I need to defend against something as crazy as that.

Otherwise, the sanctions against North Korea mean absolutely nothing. That government is so out of touch that there's absolutely nothing short of a full-scale military intervention (which I'm not advocating for) that would change a thing. You know that.

"I don't know what your third post even means so I'm not going to address it. I guess you think I'm in favor of tearing entire countries apart as the West has done in Africa and is working on doing in the Middle East too. I don't feel I need to defend against something as crazy as that."

What do you mean you don't know what it means? You said nothing happened to Sudan I said it was cut in half, an arrest warrant was put out for its leader, and it has been sanctioned. What's so confusing about this?

You can't rattle off a list of countries you want interventions and then use the excuse of ignorance when it's pointed out that interventions have taken place. Otherwise why did you rattle off this list of countries?

"Putin, I know you have a thing against the US, but if Israel is anti-Iran, the US is going to support them. I don't like it either but you can't get around it."

I'm aware of this. What does this have to do you with rattling off a list of countries that supposedly haven't been intervened upon and then claiming you don't know what's going on?

"Otherwise, the sanctions against North Korea mean absolutely nothing. That government is so out of touch that there's absolutely nothing short of a full-scale military intervention (which I'm not advocating for) that would change a thing. You know that."

No I don't "know" that. And neither does South Korea. Especially since the DPRK has sporadically reached out to South Korea and Japan and has tried opening up economic relations with the two, while reforming its own economic system.

And frankly I don't know why you don't have a "thing" against the US if the kind of conduct the US engages in displeases you when it comes to other countries. Everybody who wrings their hands about violence in international politics should have a "thing" against the US.

The action in Sudan didn't get al-Bashir, it forced the country to split in half, and, as you said, it's causing one half of the country screw the other half. It literally tore the country apart. How are those results to you? How is that good? How does that benefit *anyone*? If everyone calls for an intervention and it fails or it's rushed, it turns out like this one. NOTHING GOOD HAPPENED, NOT NOTHING HAPPENED.

I didn't plead ignorance. A know-it-all like you would take things out of context, of course. I said I don't follow the mass media portrayal of the Syrian conflict. The bullshit they've thrown at us in the past years is appalling and while everyone else seems to continue to buy it, I don't. The Syrian government has clearly committed genocide and the rebels have clearly returned fire. You can't just pick which villain you like more, and that's what *everyone* wants to do, so I stay the hell out of those discussions.

Are you really claiming that our sanctions against North Korea have had an impact? We've cut off aid on a number of occasions, and for what, so the malnourished can continue to be malnourished? That pathetic fat little monstrosity of a leader they have is the only one that gets fed over there, and so long as they are allowed to cover up the goings-on around the rest of the world in the largest propaganda scheme in history, "opening up economic relations" is not even the slightest of a step. The Kim regime needs to go, and that will be the very first step.

I have a problem with the way the US conducts itself internationally, but as a nation, I've been raised in one of the greatest places I could have ever imagined. I'm not going to fault 240 years just because our current government is deranged when it comes to foreign policy.

All you non US guys who are anti US because you think we are the violence perpetrators , should actually love us, we do all the shit the rest of the world won't do. The UN pussy foots around and does nothing and waits for the US to take the lead in being the police of everybody. Now as much as I would love that to stop, and I would because I'm tired of my tax dollars helping the rest of the nations in the world, when we have our own internal problems, it's not going to. Why, because we are the best, strongest and brightest, an know that pro-active stance has to be there to stop anarchy that would take place if we weren't there. And as son as we stop, all you shitheads will be begging us to come back.

Every American government since F.D.R. has been "deranged" with regard to foreign policy. Your Founding fathers were White Supremacist scumbags.

You said there was no intervention(s) in Sudan, North Korea and elsewhere. Now you're equivocating and claiming that the intervention(s) didn't have an optimal outcome when before you said nothing was done.

You're the one who rattled off this list of countries and now you're claiming I'm a "Know-it-all" because your argument is utterly untrue.

" I've been raised in one of the greatest places I could have ever imagined. I'm not going to fault 240 years just because our current government is deranged when it comes to foreign policy."

So long as you're well taken care who cares how many millions of people elsewhere get bombed.

And we shouldn't let a little thing like race-based chattel slavery, legalized lynchings and placing aboriginals on reservations get in the way of celebrating 240 years of being awesome. When it comes to American history, everything is situational and contextualized. When it comes to North Korea and everybody else, they're evil incarnate.

"Why, because we are the best, strongest and brightest, an know that pro-active stance has to be there to stop anarchy that would take place if we weren't there. "

The American presence.actions has created anarchy in MENA and Ukraine. America is creating failed states the world over. We're not providing order. Order isn't our goal. Preventing regional powers from rising who are not puppets of us is our goal. What anarchy are we preventing in East Asia? There's an arms race regardless of our huge naval presence there. In fact if we weren't in East Asia there's no way the Philippines and Vietnam would be so brash as to challenge China.

Someone else deal with this clown.

you deal with it bo_sox, putin is only pointing out errors in your thinking about the world.

He's defending North Korea, kaner. Tell me how that is "only pointing out errors..."

Any effort to contextualize the behavior of any state except the ones which bo_sox48 approves is beyond the pale. Context is only allowed for the USA. USA is great no matter how many crimes it commits against other countries. North Korea is Satanic no matter how much it tries to reach out or what it's history/security context is. If the US was bombed into the stone age during the middle of its civil war by an astounding coalition of the world's military powers; if the US's civil war adversary was armed to the teeth for 6 decades with that adversary constantly threatening war; if the US was surrounded by hostile powers of much greater strength; if the US was economically sanctioned in the middle of a food crisis; I'm sure we'd all still be wonderful, rational, morally upright people in your eyes. Maybe it's our racial prediction for being awesome while Koreans are just born evil.

*predilection

Sorry, I've reread what putin has written regarding NthKorea and I can't see where he is 'defending' it.

kaner, Putin is a N Korea apologist. Hang here long enough and you will discover the truth of that statement.

Wrt Putin, he's pretty much spot on when discussing the terrible attitudes the USA has towards the rest of the world. The USA is the greatest force for destabilization in the world right now, which is perhaps not surprising since it was founded on the genocide of one race and built on the slavery of another.

So, about Israel...

Have to agree with Putin on most of his analisys, he just pointed out how bo_sow was wrong in his statements and he was pretty good at this. And I didn´t see any apology to North Korea just an explanation to how things get that way (a bit controversial, as he didn´t put the URSS and China contributions to that).
About Israel, they are comminting genocide for a long time and no one has done nothing about this and unfortunetly I don´t expect the international community will do something. Frankly, I can´t see a solution for this situation as no one want to concede a single bit to the other side (Israel and Palestinians).

@rdrivera2005--" Frankly, I can´t see a solution for this situation as no one want to concede a single bit to the other side (Israel and Palestinians)."

Its completely enlightening that YOU can not see a solution to a problem that has been going on for millennia

Is our current administrtion morons? Uh.....YES Have we as a country made mistakes? uh.....YES....................But i will say this again, if we were out there trying to solve these problems and we just concerned ourselves with our own internal problems( which i believe we should do...Fuck the rest of you) then all you US haters would be crying like little pansy bitches that we sit back on a high horse and do nothing...HOW COULD THAT BE ?

Let me cut through the jargon, the euphamisms we use to mask human suffering and war crimes. "Closures” mean heavily armed soldiers who ring Palestinian ghettos, deny those trapped inside food or basic amenities—including toys, razors, chocolate, fishing rods and musical instruments—and carry out a brutal policy of collective punishment, which is a crime under international law. “Disputed land” means land stolen from the Palestinians. “Clashes” mean, almost always, the killing or wounding of unarmed Palestinians, including children. “Jewish neighborhoods in the West Bank” mean fortress-like compounds that serve as military outposts in the campaign of ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians. “Targeted assassinations” mean extrajudicial murder. “Air strikes on militant bomb-making posts” mean the dropping of huge iron fragmentation bombs from fighter jets on densely crowded neighborhoods that always leaves scores of dead and wounded, whose only contact with a bomb was the one manufactured in the United States and given to the Israeli Air Force as part of our complicity in the occupation. “The peace process” means the cynical, one-way route to the crushing of the Palestinians as a people.
Chris Hedges. Aug.9, 2010.