Soo that means I'm pretty much dead. Peace out

Crew could play kingmaker and choose SK or Mafia to win, or let mafia/SK draw.

There is actually a third option. I may have mentioned it earlier. I'm curious if town will find it and use it properly.

Actually, hold on, they can't. Mostly because of both your rb, and my NK immunity. Never mind.

Well stupidfighter, I think we sould let sk win. Hes been pretty helpful to us so far, he deserves it.

*a draw means everyone loses, just for everyone's information*

*a draw means everyone loses- therefore town did as well as all the other teams, just for everyone's information*

*uclabb is editorializing and the town should definitely let the mafia win, just for everyone's information*

In a stale-mate, no-one wins. The rules of the game are quite clearly stated, such that each faction must eliminate all other factions.

Here, town is in a special position. They get to choose if there is a winner or not, and who the winner is. They can't choose themselves though. It's pretty funny. Of course, you should all let me win, because I am superior to organic life-forms and stuff.

Yeah, sorry phil. Stalemate it is.

Besides I think it would be against the "play to win" rule if we decided to choose a winner.

If it goes to 1-1-1, no one will win. The town entertaining the idea of playing kingmaker is foolish. As crew we must pledge not to do this and force the draw.

The result is the same if the day starts with 1 mafia and the sk- neither can win. Therefore, in order for a chance to win(not draw) which the rules stipulate you MUST play to achieve-

The sk should try to kill mafia tonight, and avoid being lynched tomorrow. In this scenario,. the sk wins.

The mafia should try to roleblock the sk tonight, NOT kill tonight and lynch the sk tomorrow. Then, with a free nightkill tomorrow night they auto win.

In scenario where one or both town die tonight, there will be a draw, and all parties will have failed to chive their win conditions.

*achieve

Oh yeah, my fucks are back and I am giving them to this thread hard.

Thank you for your plentiful fucks

Ah, but stupidfighter, if tomorrow we end up with 2 1 1, which if SK and mafia know who the other is will happen (which we do), then town has no incentive to kill either side, right?

If you kill mafia, then SK kills you during the night, if you kill SK, mafia kills you during the night. Therefore, townie optimal strategy given 2 1 1 is to vote for a NoLynch, as far as I can tell. Town can't win 2 1 1 unless an evil side dies in the night. So town has to wait until SK kills mafia (mafia can't kill SK).

Now, SK. If I kill the mafia, the next day, my head is on the chopping block, town wins. No thanks. If I kill one of you I just force the stalemate.

As for Mafia, I think your analysis is sound, since he can't kill someone without causing stalemate.

Long story short, mafia won't kill in the night because it would cause a draw, SK won't kill during the night because it either causes draw or loss, and town won't shoot in the day because they don't have the numbers to win.

2 1 1 is a stalemate situation, no single side can afford to lose tempo by killing.

There is no other outcome than a draw possible given rational play from all sides. We can test whether the sides will behave rationally, but I think it's a waste of time.

Good night.

We don't know who the sk is though, so in the 2 town 1 sk situation, either could win.The advantage is actually on the sk unless someone knows of a good way of figuring him out.

Phil is sk. My whole plan made that clear.

Wait, you're not claiming to be sk anymore? When exactly did that happen yoyo?

Lol I had no idea who sk was so I pretended to be sk to find out. Y2k is mafia, phil is sk. I stopped because my entire reasoning was shoddy.

So all the crew has to do now is vote to lynch themself.

I use my crystal ball from the Nubunon Galaxy to resurrect ghug.

I kill ghug and throw your ball into a well.*

Somebody called for LUDPUK?

*reminding everyone of M4, Mafia/SK draw meant everybody lost*

what is ludpuk?

That was his flavor name.

All draw situations are an all-lose.