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Durga (3609 D)
27 Jan 17 UTC
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Daily Trump News Thread
Instead of having 17 threads each time he does something new, let's have this one so anyone that doesn't want to deal with Trump can just mute it! (ps is it possible to self mute?)
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ND (879 D)
18 Aug 17 UTC
George Washington
Should statues of George Washington be taken down? This is being debated in Chicago.
https://youtu.be/1t96yjrZRrk
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Ogion (3882 D)
13 Aug 17 UTC
Is everyone scared
To even bring up the neo Nazi terrorist attack in Charlottesville today, and the fact that the President made the weakest denunciation of terrorism ever, )except perhaps for his non response to the attacks in Quebec and Minnesota)
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Ogion (3882 D)
14 Aug 17 UTC
Or as another professor explained it well (you know, someone who teaches for a liviing
"There are certainly interesting pedagogical questions about how to discuss potentially offensive topics without violating harassment policies,” Weinberg wrote. “However, the event at the center of this controversy does not appear to be one of speech being shut down because it is offensive. Rather, the [student’s] comment was off-topic and based on false claims, and the instructor needed to make a decision about how to use limited class time, especially given the topic of the lesson and the subject of the course (which is ethical theory, not applied ethics).”

Further, he says, “as any professor knows, points may be made in offensive and inoffensive ways, and particular students may be more or less skilled at putting their ideas into words that make for a constructive contribution to the lesson."

"In light of these factors, it is well within the rights and responsibilities of the instructor to manage classroom discussion in a way she judges conducive to learning.”

exactly. The instructor has a duty to ALL students in the class, and if one approach is going to be disruptive, then use another one. That's basic teaching.
MajorMitchell (1874 D)
14 Aug 17 UTC
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Now I enjoyed reading the various posts from Bo Sox, Orathaic and Ogion. Obviously they have differing opinions, but they are good examples of how to conduct a reasonably "robust discussion" without getting "uber offensive"
Ogion (3882 D)
14 Aug 17 UTC
I find uber highly offensive. Lyft only for me, thank you very much.
Ogion (3882 D)
14 Aug 17 UTC
(thanks. Glad to know I've stayed a little on the right side of things)
JamesYanik (548 D)
14 Aug 17 UTC
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@orathaic

"That is like someone ranting about WW2 sayin that we must condemn both the violece of the Axis and the Allies equally, both are engaged in violence, so both are at fault."

this is actually quite telling

you create an absolutist dichotomy. you simply address it as a 2 side problem, when in fact there are multiple different hate groups, and non-hate groups on the basic political spectrum right now. you SIMPLIFYING this, is disgusting, and generalizes the right, and that's dangerous.

when James Hodgkinson tried to kill GOP congressman at their baseball game, he legitimately thought he was killing Nazis. your rhetoric, is the kind of idiocy that drives these lunatics to action. political violence has been on a drastic increase recently, and you right here are demonstrated that the left is not innocent, with your lazy comparison.


you accuse Trump of violent rhetoric? fair. 100%. but Trump only really came to political prominence in the later half 2015, and we've seen race tensions rise well before then.

and furthermore, let's say that your comparison IS fair. that the right is mostly full of neonazis, the police are on their side and racist, let's look at an example of the left's reaction to this.


in reaction to multiple incidents of police shooting or killing a black person (sometimes when it's obviously racist, sometimes when it's not) we have seen mass riots.

the victims of these riots? black business owners primarily. the looting, rioting and vandalism has destroyed businesses in Ferguson and Baltimore, especially, where they are mostly contained to parts of the city where black people live.

if you really hate racism from the right, you could at the VERY LEAST admit that the left's problem-solving skills are legitimately terrible here.
Ogion (3882 D)
14 Aug 17 UTC
Let's put it another way:

Say you had a student in the same philosophy class about limiting rights that don't harm others and someone spoke up and said "letting Christians have kids is an example of rights that people have that harm others, because Christians raise their kids to be Christian, and that means they have higher rates of criminality, terrorism, and divorce" (All true, incidentally, but for socioeconomic reasons mostly) You know you have devout Christians in your classroom. Do you say "why yes, Johnny, let's explore that controversy around whether Christians are prone to commit crimes, even if it has little to do with the topic!"

Or do you say. "That's an interesting perspective. Any other examples? Let's maybe talk in more detail about the example of the seat belt law"

The first case your classroom devolves into acrimony. In the second, you have a reasonable chance of a productive classroom discussion.

Maybe the student complains (with an obvious intent to set you up by recording no less) and the administration looks at it and correctly decided that that classroom wasn't the time or place to discuss whether Christians should have reproductive rights.
Now, let's say a tenured professor with power over your entire career that you've already sunk into debt to pursue then goes on a public, not on a pedagogy blog, but on a right wing blog to yammer about how the university is squashing a much needed conversation about the damaging effects of religion on children by teaching, instead, philosophical ideas in a philosophy class.

That's inappropriate six ways for sunday. It's pure intimidation tactics against all the graduate students (better let undergrads spout off against the horrors of Christianity or you'll get attacked by an established scholar in your field and kill your career). It's entirely inappropriately opening a student in your department to attack (precisely as happened.) It's circumventing the administrative process of the university. And yes, it's a freaking violation of your employment contract.

So, yeah, he was suspended for incredibly bad judgment and conduct
Ogion (3882 D)
14 Aug 17 UTC
Um, yes, terrorism is wrong. The only folks who are saying otherwise are, well, Trump and his supporters, in that here, they're playing a giant game of "whataboutism"

Funny, how when some ISIS inspired moron drives a truck through a crowd, Trump doesn't go to deplore violence on all sides, including white supremacist terrorism. Pure coincidence, i'm sure.
bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
14 Aug 17 UTC
“If McAdams had a complaint, the appropriate course of action was to take a complaint to the administration, not to expose a graduate student in his power to open harassment.”

Again, inappropriate, yeah. I said that. From what I have heard about this guy, he is inappropriate. His colleagues evidently asserted that he had threatened others in the past and had published other names in his blog in the past. Does being inappropriate warrant silencing at the hands of the university, or, as you prefer to phrase it, being fired for misconduct? In my own experience, a tenured professor gets fired for felonious crimes and basically nothing short of it, and I’m perfectly okay with that. McAdams was fired(/suspended forever - honestly, you’re even using the word fired, so call it fired) and lost his tenure for calling someone out, inappropriately, on the internet.

Ask yourself - would any of this happen if McAdams’ blog post hadn’t gone viral? I’ll bet my annual salary (lol) that it wouldn’t have.

As for your insistence that this graduate student was a student and not an instructor, I imagine that you, having a PhD and all, have been a student a fair few times. Do your instructors’ credentials affect whether or not you see them as an instructor? If you were teaching an undergraduate course while working on your PhD (maybe you have), would you appreciate it if you were belittled by your colleagues and by strangers on the internet that refer to you as a student as if you can’t pull your own weight and defend your own actions? You keep insisting that she was a student, which is true, yes, she was a student in a graduate program. However, she was teaching. Ergo, she’s an instructor. If you have an issue with that, please let me know. Otherwise, I would like to stop pointing out that McAdams called out an instructor and a colleague, who also just happens to be a graduate student, and ask you ever so kindly to start addressing her as an instructor, because she was one.

As for an *instructor* being like a plumber, I’m pretty confident that I actually could ruin a plumber’s entire career and financial future if they flood my house. That’s an expensive lawsuit they’re facing. Maybe they file an insurance claim and stay in business, but they sure are hurting for it. That said, I see no reason to believe that McAdams had any intention of ruining her career, and I say again that the only reason her career is ruined (if it’s even ruined - I see no indication why someone transferring to another school to continue their education is an indicator that their career is ruined) is because other people played vigilante. McAdams doesn’t decide how others treat someone, and I would bet 2018’s annual salary (lol) that he never expected that blog post to harm her in that way.

I do not disagree with your assessment of classroom management. I taught first grade for five years at my religious school before college, and while classroom management is a whole hell of a lot more meaningless when you’re dealing with 30+ first graders, it still matters. I completely get it. I see this as a stepping stone, though. She claimed that gay marriage was not a topic worth discussing. I see that as a topic worth a full and vocal discussion, where this student can learn the error of his opinions via the court of public opinion, particularly his peers, who would have undoubtedly shut him down. With just a year left prior to the SCOTUS case that (hopefully) legalized gay marriage forever, that seems like a very worthy topic of conversation to me. Why she chose to silence his opinion and why she chose to act as if she, an instructor, is not responsible for allowing creative and constructive discussion on ongoing political matters is beyond me. That’s not the type of instructor I would like to be taught by, especially in an ethical theory class. If a brief, or even marginally long, tangent is so damaging to the lesson, especially one that makes a far greater impact on the lives of the students than the lesson otherwise would, then the lesson needs adjusting and so do the instructor’s priorities.

Likewise, I understand your point about the nuances of crafting an argument without going off the rails. If a student is making a terrible or offensive argument, then let the other students shit on his desk. If the fire inside you is burning to the point where smoke is billowing out of your ears, there are students ready to jump at that opportunity as well. That’s a great lesson. Let someone make a bad, if not offensive, argument. Wait for them to finish; give them their moment, even if it’s annoying and impractical. When they finish, rip them to shreds. That’s an argument. That’s what turns a stupid, asinine comment into, as your professor friend says, a constructive contribution.

At some point, the conversation needs to end and the lesson needs to go on. Again, I’m in full agreement with you. The conversation, though, doesn’t have to end before it starts. If you are a student and this happened, the lesson is already disrupted - stupidity has already been unleashed, and hellfire is about to rain down on it from the minds of a dozen other students. Why shut that down with such immediacy? Why not let rational minds beat out the dumbass? Censoring the dumbass only makes the dumbass remain a dumbass. That’s bad teaching. That’s why McAdams was so upset to begin with, and before his post came undone into a rambling free speech argument, he was right.

Obviously, we’re going to disagree here. No matter - the fact that I love a totally open floor and firmly believe that the best way to educate an idiot is to crush their idiocy in debate is irrelevant.

The point that matters to me is that McAdams was fired and/or suspended eternally because the blog post went viral, not because of the contents of the blog post. He was first suspended, with pay, for violating his contract, or for three instances of misconduct. He was then stripped of his tenure later, after the blog post went viral, and after a year and a half, the university made another announcement that he could come back if he apologized. He refused. It was only then, after the media once again made him a viral figure, that the instructor claimed to have feared for her safety and only then that the reports of harassment began. The majority of this never happens if the blog post doesn’t go viral. The only part of this that happens regardless is the suspension, which would have been revoked in a very private manner, but now never will.

I don’t know John McAdams, and he sounds like a dick that spends way too much time worrying about how JFK died so I’m glad I don’t, but I don’t see this as anything but him being silenced. Could the university justify some action against him? Yeah, definitely. Do indefinite suspensions lead to a media circus lasting years on end, closely detailing the loss of his tenure and publicly announcing to the media the conditions of his return if the ultimate goal of the university isn’t to discredit him? No. That’s the nuance of the situation.
JamesYanik (548 D)
14 Aug 17 UTC
@Ogion
"Um, yes, terrorism is wrong. The only folks who are saying otherwise are, well, Trump and his supporters, in that here, they're playing a giant game of "whataboutism""

except Trump has never said terrorism is ok.

making up facts again?
Ogion (3882 D)
14 Aug 17 UTC
His suspension (with pay so hardly a firing) if he had simply apologized to the grad student. When you're getting fired you don't get to get paid and Cole back after uttering some words, typically

Also, whether she is an instructor, she is still a grad student with a serious imbalance of power. That's why professors aren't allowed to sleep with grad students for the most part.

And I do disagree that instructors should have their classes derailed by some bigot grandstanding. It is a philosophy class, not a contemporary politics class. Spending a ton of time delving into the sociology research to prove this person and idiot doesn't teach anyone philosophy.
Ogion (3882 D)
14 Aug 17 UTC
In other news, a drunken American got punched out for giving a Mazi salute. The American faces charges for violating anti-hate laws. (As does the guy who punched him for assault). That's a different approach.
Ogion (3882 D)
14 Aug 17 UTC
Um, yeah, trying to distract or ignore the terrorism conducted exclusively by the right wing here is a mighty effort to gloss over and give cover to terrorism. This "both sides" bullshit is obvious covering. If he opposes terrorism then call it right wing terrorism and condemn it. He didn't
Jeff Kuta (2066 D)
14 Aug 17 UTC
Trump only condemns his enemies, especially when he launches a new 2020 campaign advert (already?!).
bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
14 Aug 17 UTC
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His suspension was with pay initially, and it was also indefinite initially. It became a suspension without pay after he refused to apologize. Likewise, they only gave him the option to apologize and have his suspension revoked after a year and a half, and they did so publicly and in full view of a number of reporters. Why do that unless you know he's going to say no in an attempt to discredit him? That's the point of doing so so late and so publicly. They're controlling the media narrative that way.

Professors aren't allowed to sleep with grad students? News to me. My advisor didn't just sleep with a grad student - he ditched his wife and married her. I like him though, so don't ask.

Philosophy is all about argument. Any chance to teach and simultaneously lead a constructive argument against an idiot is a great philosophy class, and hopefully by the end of that class that idiot will be less of an idiot for it.
JamesYanik (548 D)
14 Aug 17 UTC
@Ogion

1. he condemned the actions outright. you're entirely dishonest here.

the BAD thing he did was talk about his own economic achievements. he politicized it. i'm criticizing him objectively here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtFJOGnUkBU


2.don't forget that after the dallas sniper shootings, Obama politicized that to hell as well, if not more

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5IcMdwV6Hg


but i don't remember massive protests by you about this. of course, this is because your narrative is fulfilled by Obama and Trump's doesn't. you're entirely partisan on these things, and that's why nobody takes you seriously EVEN when you have good points.

they know you're only one day away from complete hypocrisy when your side acts badly.

you don't care about being even slightly moderate in the face of tragedy, rather you always look for the best way possible to achieve a political victory from it.


the woman who died was named was Heather Heyer.


you haven't mentioned that once.
Ogion (3882 D)
14 Aug 17 UTC
Gee, one side massacres people and drives cars into crowds and that's entirely the same as breaking some windows at a large protest. Gotcha

And you accuse me of hypocrisy

I already denounced the Dallas shootings, which are doubly horrific in light of the fact the Dallas police department have. As for Obama "politicizing" anything, what bizarre hallucination are you in the grip of? Did you even read the speech? He goes on at great length and eloquence about how glorious the police are and how we need to come together and get past and heal. You off in bizarro land.

Contrast that with Trump's totally glossing over the terrorism to equate it with people reposing to being attacked by thugs. Yep, "both sides do it". One side misers people and attacks protestors and the other might actually defend it. Way to distract from the racist and hatefilled ideology.

The problem isn't Trump talking about his imaginary accomplishments. It is that he completely failed to address the major issue here: white supremacism. Contrast that with Obama's deep exploration of both the violence against the police and the violence against citizens (both of which, unlike here, happened) and his call to move forward and heal wounds. Trump wants to blame Heather Hayer for being at a protest or something?

Yep, neo Nazi sympathizer a are always eager to distract.
Ogion (3882 D)
14 Aug 17 UTC
And I've mentioned her a ton. But I guess she killed some people too, because "both sides do it"

And you haven't said shot to condemn the neonazis and their conduct. Not even slightly surprised at that.
Ogion (3882 D)
14 Aug 17 UTC
Ok, so you won't have any problem if I post a thread here to debate the propensity of Christians to terrorism and crime and to debate whether they should be allowed to raise children right? It is only a philosophical exercise, of course
bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
14 Aug 17 UTC
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If you can convince zultar that this site is a philosophy classroom, then we'll talk.
JamesYanik (548 D)
14 Aug 17 UTC
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I did watch the whole video, and did you pass over the moralizing about the violence against black people Obama kept going on about? or does politicization and simple speech just blend together for you?

and yes, Trump is shit. I've been over this.

"Contrast that with Obama's deep exploration of both the violence against the police and the violence against citizens (both of which, unlike here, happened) and his call to move forward and heal wounds."

are you saying antifa wasn't attacking the people at the rally? because.. that's bullshit. furthermore, a "Deep exploration" my ass, it was all basic superficiality from the pair of them. antifa and the protestors were not some pure innocent victim here, and before i go any further i can see your next smear:

they WERE victims. the simple atrocity of taking a human's life, is not at all what they deserve. do not try to make the claim that i'm supporting that, nothing is further from the truth


"Yep, neo Nazi sympathizer a are always eager to distract."

Yanik is short for Yanikowski, and as it turns out, we Poles don't really like Nazis of any sort.

but you don't like any sort of nuance in political thought, so keep it up with your ideological gulags of classification. calling me a neonazi sympathizer... exactly why you're among the least credible people on the forum


"And I've mentioned her a ton. But I guess she killed some people too, because "both sides do it""

the first thing i did when i heard about it was say a quick prayer for the dead. i isn't even know there was a thread up until well after it happened, and let's look at the OP

"To even bring up the neo Nazi terrorist attack in Charlottesville today, and the fact that the President made the weakest denunciation of terrorism ever, )except perhaps for his non response to the attacks in Quebec and Minnesota)"

1. critical of neonaziism
2. critical of trump

shameful. not a single line of remorse for those hurt. fucking shameful.


"And you haven't said shot to condemn the neonazis and their conduct. Not even slightly surprised at that."

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in my 1st post responding to you about this:

"I agree with you objectively here that this is a horrifying act"

and because you've equated Trump with white supremacism, how about THIS:

"also nah he is a piece of shit. but no regular shit, it's the type where you have been riding in a car all day and needed to go, and you had burritos earlier at the restaurant attached to the gas station that smelled funny, and you really can't hold it and then you spot some nasty old outhouse (probably crocodile infested) in some random ass field and you go in, your ass is on fire for a good 15 minutes, and then you walk bow legged back to your car, get in, turn the ignition on, and then 12 months later the damn thing is being sworn into office"

on page 1???


or how about THIS:

"and i'm not "covering" for neonazis. i've had that accusation thrown at me, and it doesn't stick to well to someone who's Polish. I DESPISE neonazis, and i despise HYPOCRISY. you're guilty of the latter. you don't see the violence on your own side because you choose to be blind."

on page 5???

or later in that same post:

"he far right nut jobs are not innocent, and should be held accountable,"

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you can't hide the truth, and now ANYONE reading this thread will see my DIRECT QUOTES, and your SLANDER

you need to shape up Ogion. That's twice now you've directly lied about my views.


LeonWalras (865 D)
14 Aug 17 UTC
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So this site is looking for more moderators if anyone is interested.
orathaic (1009 D(B))
14 Aug 17 UTC
@JY two things:

@"you create an absolutist dichotomy. you simply address it as a 2 side problem, when in fact there are multiple different hate groups, and non-hate groups on the basic political spectrum right now. you SIMPLIFYING this, is disgusting, and generalizes the right, and that's dangerous."

I'm not just simplifying, i gave the complex example of NI because, despite the existence and a peaceful non-sectarian movement, the leaders with the simple narrative won out, nevermind the fact that they are actually in power today, but after 'someone' started bobing British army positions, both sides blamed the other and the only side which definitely wasn't to blame (ie the non-sectarian peaceful middle ground) became irrelevant. Simple dichotomies work when trying to lead large movements of people.

So no, i reject the claim that i am simplifying, people will somplify, and this will lead towards civil war, a two sided war, if you're not careful, if we don't see strong leadership from the Right manage to emerge.

I largely took the Northern Irish example because it isn't easy to make a direct comparison. It is just an example of what happens when people are angry at injustice, or feel threatened by that anger...

@"you really hate racism from the right, you could at the VERY LEAST admit that the left's problem-solving skills are legitimately terrible here."

Rioting isn't a problem solving skill, it is a reaction to anger, a spontaneous break down in order which can start with one person throwing a brick.

The state (left/right doesn't matter) needs to address this kind of anger before order breaks down. The people in power are the ones who must take responcibility. The legitimate anger in Fergusson could easily have been defused with action to address the injustices that caused the anger.

Much simpler to say than to actually do, but that is the responcibility lies with the people in power, the ones who hold (or try to hold) a monopoly on violence.

In this case you have anti-fa whose anger is a reactionary one. Reacting to what they see as a threat to democratic freedoms.

The neo-nazis anger is built on precieved injustice, decline in living standards, increase in diversity, and directed by scapegoating of non-white citizens.

It isn't 'the right' or 'the left' to blame in these to cases; (though the left will often support the anti-fa's anger and the legitimacy of such, if not their violent actions). But the problem is a failure of leadership, the risk for the futur is escalation and breakdowns in order spreading.
Ogion (3882 D)
14 Aug 17 UTC
Nice try James. You've shown yourself already to be a homophobe and now you're doing a fantastic job of covering for your neonazi buddies. That's not a lie, it's the reality

The correct response is demonstrated even by Marco rubio in calling it evil, full stop. Not equivocating or covering. You false tears for the victims of terrorism are unconvincing in the extreme.
Ogion (3882 D)
14 Aug 17 UTC
Like most racists, James isn't going to acknowledge the problem of racist police brutality at all if he can find any fault to provide an excuse for him to complain about how they're doing it wrong. Hell, this is a guys who called camping in a park "terrorism"

Don't waste your breath, orathaic. JY was probably in Charlottesville which is why he is among the tiny minority of Americans trying to deflect any blame from the neonazis
Ogion (3882 D)
14 Aug 17 UTC
(Don't forget, apparently he thinks only police deserve comment from a President. The murder of innocent black people is of course beneath his notice. Talking about that is "policizing" probably because to him black lives don't matter
Ogion (3882 D)
14 Aug 17 UTC
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James, what people can read is your endless deflection after a token statement. You show you're true colors when you equate a movement to address police brutality with genocidal neo Nazis, when you equate a black president talking about the murders of black people as the same as a president who is completely silent about Nazis. As Peter Wiggins pointed out, you may be a socially acceptable white supremacists, but you're still a white supremacist at heart.

Don't tell me what you believe. Show me what you do and I'll tell you what you believe.
Ogion (3882 D)
14 Aug 17 UTC
Hit a little close to home Bo? You're perfectly willing to put someone else's humanity up for debate, but suddenly get squeamish when it's whether you should be considered fully human in question.

Now do you get it?
Jeff Kuta (2066 D)
14 Aug 17 UTC
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IIRC, JY cast his first ever POTUS general election ballot for Hillary Clinton. Hopefully Charlottesville will wake up those who have expressed support for the alt-right to turn away from them. Those guys literally had FASCES on their fliers supporting the rally. True colors shown.
TrPrado (461 D)
14 Aug 17 UTC
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"You've shown yourself already to be a homophobe"

He's not

"and now you're doing a fantastic job of covering for your neonazi buddies."

He doesn't have any.

"You false tears for the victims of terrorism are unconvincing in the extreme."

???

"Like most racists,"

He's not.

"James isn't going to acknowledge the problem of racist police brutality at all"

I don't remember ANYONE here bringing that up lmao

"JY was probably in Charlottesville"

You saw "I hate Nazis they tried to kill my family," and turned it into "I'm definitely a white supremacist lmao"

"which is why he is among the tiny minority of Americans trying to deflect any blame from the neonazis"

He's not.

"You're perfectly willing to put someone else's humanity up for debate"

Jesus Christ this thread is awful.

Also I brought up Get Out because it was relevant to the conversation about self-appointed white allies.
Ogion (3882 D)
14 Aug 17 UTC
When you're siding with the guy who calls standing up against brutality and racism being a "hate group" you're in pretty dire company. Even forget Trump's "many sides" support for the neonazis (The Daily Stormer was thrilled. Even Republicans recognized Trump is far to cozy with neonazis), his claims of "hate groups" on the left really showed his allegiance. Who the fuck is he talking about? People who oppose fascism? That's not a hate group, unless you some how equate white = fascist, which it doesn't. bLM? That's not a hate group and only neonazis talk about BLM that way. There is a tiny tiny fraction of black supremacists out there, and they're not involved in the great mass of people fighting for justice in this country. So, Trump's statement of hate groups "on many sides" is pure and unadulterated bullshit. There is only one group espousing racial and religious supremacy, and those folks are a chunk of Trump's base. Deplorable doesn't go far enough

(Oh, and James, Poles were among the most eager nazi collaborators when it came to the Holocaust. Poland was one of the few countries to enact anti-Jewish laws even before the Nazis invaded. Many resisted, but there were a lot of pretty helpful collaborators too)

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orathaic (1009 D(B))
17 Aug 17 UTC
Anarchists in the US
"if we possess any sort of freedom today in this society, it is the result of all the times people defied and overthrew governments, not because of the times they were obedient. If not for disobedience, we would still be living under the rule of kings."

from this: https://itsgoingdown.org/statues-fall-uproot-pedestals-promise-direct-action/
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CommanderByron (801 D(S))
17 Aug 17 UTC
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Completely unrelated to nazis thread.
*sigh*
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orathaic (1009 D(B))
16 Aug 17 UTC
Alt-left?
Interesting article describing the use of this term:
https://newrepublic.com/article/144361/liberals-helped-create-trumps-new-bogeyman-alt-left
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groza528 (518 D)
17 Aug 17 UTC
Dislodgement question
I'm normally pretty good with rules questions myself but this one has me going back and forth.
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Durga (3609 D)
16 Aug 17 UTC
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On punching nazis
I've decided to appease the centrists. Instead of punching nazis, we'll murder them by drone with no due process.
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Jeff Kuta (2066 D)
17 Aug 17 UTC
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Is it ever ok to paunch Nazis?
Especially Nazi cats?
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MyxIsMe (511 D)
17 Aug 17 UTC
Diplomacy Question
Not clear on how this works out in the game mechanics:

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Monfils (0 DX)
17 Aug 17 UTC
Diplomacy memes!
Give me some because I'm waiting on my games and I'm bored and I want webdiplo in a potent form
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JamesYanik (548 D)
16 Aug 17 UTC
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My Cat is a Nazi
https://puu.sh/xbB8I/c82481f2e9.png

please do not punch my cat
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trip (696 D(B))
16 Aug 17 UTC
Need a sub
gameID=201565

Please let me know if you're willing and I'll send you password. Thx.
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Jamiet99uk (873 D)
16 Aug 17 UTC
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It's okay to punch Nazis
I purport that it is perfectly ok to beat up the following types of people:

- Nazis - Neo-Nazis - KKK members - David Duke - White Supremacists -
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CommanderByron (801 D(S))
12 Aug 17 UTC
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IRL work Horror Stories
No matter the field of profession, we all have work horror stories. The days when everything fell through the cracks or the work load was just too much. Tell about it. Only rule is try to avoid names and such.
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CommanderByron (801 D(S))
16 Aug 17 UTC
Feature Idea: Badges
See Inside
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Tom Bombadil (4023 D(G))
16 Aug 17 UTC
Gen Con
Anyone going to Gen Con this weekend? I'm going for the first time just for the day Saturday - anyone with tips on what to see let me know.
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michael_b (192 D)
12 Aug 17 UTC
Feature Idea: Friend 'List'
I'm not one to cause pressure for the coding team who are focused on the new Forum, but has this feature been suggested before? See Reply.
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Mapu (362 D)
15 Aug 17 UTC
Five Year Anniversary Game
Happy Webdip Anniversary to me. Anyone good want to play a game? Classic Semi-Anon WTA.
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kestasjk (64 DMod(P))
04 Aug 17 UTC
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Trialing the upcoming new forum system
The new forum system is up and running, and we're ready to let users onto it to test it as we transition to it from this forum.

Probably best if you respond there rather than here, but I guess it doesn't matter:
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Maltir (125 D)
14 Aug 17 UTC
Can I do this?
Here's my map: http://webdiplomacy.net/map.php?gameID=204508&turn=-1&mapType=large
Question is, Can I move my fleet at Ankara to the Aegean Sea or the Eastern Med Sea without using the Black Sea?
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Fluminator (1500 D)
12 Aug 17 UTC
First person to shitpost loses
GO
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Monfils (0 DX)
14 Aug 17 UTC
Any help with this Gunboat that I would really like to pick up traction.
I will follow you around the forum and support your comments for a week
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orathaic (1009 D(B))
13 Aug 17 UTC
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Nazi march in America?
Someone with the Twitter handle @JuliusGoat just dropped one of the best Twitter threads in history, about the white supremacist/Nazi march in Charlottesville.

https://twitter.com/juliusgoat/status/896326301832925184
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ttf236 (0 DX)
14 Aug 17 UTC
Replies Last postsort ascending Forum
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Maltir (125 D)
12 Aug 17 UTC
Why couldn't I move?
Hey I was playing Italy in this game. I tried to have my fleet convoy my army in Tuscany to Smyrna. Neither were being attacked or blocked, but I was unable to make this move. Why? Here's the link to the map: http://webdiplomacy.net/map.php?gameID=203295&turn=9&mapType=large
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Fluminator (1500 D)
09 Aug 17 UTC
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Unpopular opinion thread
I saw this posted on another forum and it ended up being a great thread.

Post an unpopular opinion you have, and only comment if you (dis)agree under others - no arguing.
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MajorMitchell (1874 D)
13 Aug 17 UTC
Trump visits West Virginia and promises to "fix" the drug problems there.
Can Trump deliver on this promise ?
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Arch-Duke (100 D)
03 Aug 17 UTC
WWI year-by-year re-enactment game
Would anyone be interested in this? To be clear, I mean instead of playing, we figure out a blow-by-blow of WWI and then re-enact it phase by phase.
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peterwiggin (15158 D)
12 Aug 17 UTC
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Mod team personnel changes
bo_sox48 is now an administrator. Please join me in thanking him for his past and future service to the site.

Sadly, ghug is leaving the moderator team. Please join me in thanking him for the work he's done as a moderator.
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