BOG You point out two people out of how many?

1. Philanthropists are in the minority of rich people
2. They aren't going to hire people who are useless to their company. It may not be their fault they are not useful to the economy (e.g. injury, sickness, failure of society), yet human decency means we can't just leave them to die.

You are so ignorant. Everyone eats. Everyone gets medical care.

That is untrue in America.

If it were true, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

Since you are obviously one of the takers, and not one of the producers, you realy have no clue how much charity is given. Eat the rich. Then in a few years you will run out of food. The poor do not create wealth. The poor do not give people jobs.

Gobble - "Point to one person who goes hungry. Point to one person turned away from a hospital for care. Our laws require it. Only the severely mentally deranged.

Hahahahahahahahahahahaha

You should really interview for Fox News

I am a conservative, at least in the Australian sense, but at least I know that there are people who suffer. You seem oblivious.

All of the homeless in our nation must be mentally deranged. Man where do you live? Rural Kentucky? There are homeless people all over the nation going without food and medical care.

BOG's views just became a lot more offensive.

I wonder how many millionaires have given him handouts or money when he needed it...hmm. Seems like more than the usual politician.

Well, BOG, Zimbabwe's non-socialist government seized the land of white private farmers and gave it, as private land, to political supporters. It was a way of putting down opposition, not handing land over to workers. The farm industry wasn't nationalized.

"The poor do not create wealth." Because of capitalism.

"Point to one person who goes hungry." Veterans on the street, as well as many poor families.
"Point to one person turned away from a hospital for care." Anyone without insurance.

"Only the severely mentally deranged." Who would therein need medical care.

TrP ""The poor do not create wealth." Because of capitalism." You can't be serious. There is no capitalism in Haiti. There are poor. There is no capitalism in Zimbabwe. There are poor. There was no capitalism in the Soviet union. Everyone was poor, except for the 'more equal' pigs. You are delusional. Your religion of socialism simply does not work.

We have 47 million on foodstamps. Nobody goes hungry except for the severely mentally disabled. But there are programs for these people.

NOBODY gets turned away from a hospital because they don't have insurance. IT IS AGAINST THE LAW! Public and private hospitals alike are prohibited by law from denying a patient care in an emergency. The Emergency Medical and Treatment Labor Act (EMTLA) passed by Congress in 1986 explicitly forbids the denial of care to indigent or uninsured patients based on a lack of ability to pay

"We have 47 million on foodstamps. Nobody goes hungry except for the severely mentally disabled." There is a qualification process, and not all poor qualify for food stamps, and some semi-wealthy do qualify. It's a broken system. Not everyone goes to sleep on a full stomach.
"IT IS AGAINST THE LAW!" Law is a government function. Why are you so in favor of big government?

Also, you realize that there has never been a purely socialist society. There is a spectrum with socialism on one end and laissez-faire on the other. Some Western countries tried laissez-faire and realized that people suffer until government fixes the system, and no one has tried a purely socialist economy. Stalinism wasn't purely socialist, Maoism isn't purely socialist. Just about every country on the planet has some degree of a mixed economic system, because no one wants to try the purest extreme form of either end of that spectrum, so just about every country on the planet has some degree of capitalism. Saying capitalism is a panacea for suffering and financial and living troubles is naive at best.

"Saying capitalism is a panacea for suffering and financial and living troubles is naive at best." Try educating yourself. Read Milton Friedman's "Capitalism and Freedom" But this is the basic concept you cannot grasp - the Bell Curve is real. There will always be poor. That is why we have charity - to help those who do not have the ability to succeed on their own. Some will do well, sometimes by luck. Some will do poorly, even when they work hard. But everyone does better under capitalism. Mandating equality of outcomes never increases the greater good.

I support a form of capitalism. Don't forget that very important detail. I'm just also realistic.

Also, dude, both Haiti and Zimbabwe are incredibly capitalist.

BootstrappyOldGuy never got any help from anyone. The government never did a thing for him.

No diversity of opinion here, either. Looks like I'm the only one not on the dole, or people who support a constitutional view of government are afraid of being pilloried. .

I want the federal government to 'do' what the constitution says it should do. Mint currency. Have a military to keep us from being invaded. A few other other things. There is NOTHING in the constitution about things like Health care, retirement income, marriage, abortion, gas mileage, providing subsidies to solar energy other businesses. Government overreach is amazing. We need to enforce the 10th amendment.

Even the Danes are waking up.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/21/world/europe/danes-rethink-a-welfare-state-ample-to-a-fault.html?_r=1

@BOG: would you also get rid of anti-trust and monopoly laws that protect you from the excesses of unfettered capitalism?

Why is this troll still being fed?

Goodness me, isn't it amazing that a document dating from the 1780s doesn't say anything about gasoline or solar panels?