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krellin (80 DX)
06 Sep 13 UTC
On Syria, er, Chicago...Uh...
Colbert *nails it*...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/04/stephen-colbert-chicago-s_n_3867260.html?utm_hp_ref=chicago
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Sbyvl36 (439 D)
31 Aug 13 UTC
Show me where Marxism has worked.
Since you say policies don't work, show me where your's have.
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gnuvag (621 D)
04 Sep 13 UTC
Support/hold question
I need help with a quick question please...
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semck83 (229 D(B))
31 Jul 13 UTC
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Short Story of the Day
Hi! I am starting a new thread where I will post a new short story each day this week (each business day, anyway). I am hoping people will read and (if inclined) discuss the stories.
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Draugnar (0 DX)
04 Sep 13 UTC
So, the following is my first forum discussion in the intro to business practice...
The topic of this forum thread was "Is Wal-Mart's business practices good or fair? Both or neither?"

the liberals will probably like my response and the conservatives hate it, but I think it will be an interesting discussion for us here and I got to refer back to a HuffPo article listed here sometime back. So COOL!
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Alderian (2425 D(S))
04 Sep 13 UTC
September Ghost Ratings...
http://tournaments.webdiplomacy.net/theghost-ratingslist
http://tournaments.webdiplomacy.net/theghost-ratingslist/ghost-ratings-by-category
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SYnapse (0 DX)
30 Aug 13 UTC
Critique some of my writing.
I've set up a website where I'm putting some of my working essays. These aren't completed but rather things to come back to and improve upon whenever I feel like it.
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binkman (416 D)
04 Sep 13 UTC
Last minute fantasy football
Hi all, trying to fill up a fantasy football league before the draft date. The league can be found at the following address:
http://games.espn.go.com/ffl/leaguesetup/st/ownerinfo?leagueId=1401224

It's a deep league, looking for committed players out for a good time. Auction type draft tonight at 8 EST.
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Gnome de Guerre (359 D)
04 Sep 13 UTC
Join this long-haul match gameID=125205
20 point ante; 17 anonymous players; public chat only; it's like gunboat only better; join now -- http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=125205
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SYnapse (0 DX)
04 Sep 13 UTC
Petition against UK surveillance
Unbelievably, noone has petitioned against our recently exposed communications monitoring, so I started one here

http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/54565
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redhouse1938 (429 D)
03 Sep 13 UTC
Obama supported by Boehner
I guess foreplay is about to end huh?

http://www.nu.nl/buitenland/3566249/obama-krijgt-belangrijke-steun-van-huis-voorzitter.html
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NigeeBaby (100 D(G))
24 Aug 13 UTC
Cobbsville USA ....... fascism still alive and kicking
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/08/22/neo-nazi-plans-to-build-an-all-white-city-of-racists-in-north-dakota/

Just what North Dakota need I guess......
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erist (228 D(B))
30 Jul 13 UTC
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Manning Verdict
And today we remember that the people on trial are not the people that handcuffed children and old women and shot them in the head, but the person who told us about it.
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NigeeBaby (100 D(G))
01 Aug 13 UTC
"Where are we in the Middle East? We are out of Iraq, not in Syria, not in Egypt, not in Libya, not in Darfur, not in Iran. Where pray tell?"

A naive person wrote this, unfortunately they are part of the problem not part of the solution, they where their ignorance like a badge of honour. I'm not a teacher so feel no urge to correct this misguided individual, especially when you have news on the tinternet.
But just to whet their appetite I'll leave them a little teaser, where do you think the Syrian 'Freedom Fighters' are getting their weapons from, it's not a secret??
Do your own research, educate yourself you Fox News fan.
NigeeBaby (100 D(G))
01 Aug 13 UTC
where s/be wear of course
Draugnar (0 DX)
01 Aug 13 UTC
I hate to agree with Nigee (I meam I *really* hate to) but we provide weapons and we provide training and consultants. Just because we aren't on the fornt lines of the major conflicts doesn't mean we aren't pulling strings behind the scenes. I mean, that is the CIA's job after all.
ckroberts (3548 D)
01 Aug 13 UTC
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I understand why I disagree with Draugnar so much on this! It's because he believes evil things.

"Torture terrorists and terorism suspects. Abso-fucking-lutely! Wipeout a village that was hiding terrorists. Collateral damage."
krellin (80 DX)
01 Aug 13 UTC
ck -- Do you believe that a bar tender that over-serves a driver, such that when he stumbles out of the bar and kills someone with his car, has any culpability? Society says he does. The concept of aiding and abetting is not a new idea...so if you aide a terrorist - hide him from discovery - you are enabling him to continue his terror, just as is the guy providing him with guns and bombs. Aide a terrorist, die with the terrorist. 100% fair.
krellin (80 DX)
01 Aug 13 UTC
I agree wtih nigee too...the US is pretty much everywhere in the Middle East, if not openly, then through CIA operatives.

We stir up revolution when we don't like a government...then make fat cash selling arms to the insurgents. Of course, we don't really like the insurgents either, and won't like their replacement government, which is great, too, because it means we can supply the next batch of insurgents ad infinitum! Weee heeee!!!

God bless capitalism!!!
ckroberts (3548 D)
01 Aug 13 UTC
krellin as a Christian, libertarian, and American, I deny the doctrine of collective guilt. The only people who deserve punishment for wrongdoing are the ones who have done wrong. Even if everyone in a village is helping hide a terrorist (which they would not be), that does not deserve a death sentence. This doesn't even consider how frequently wrong the military is about who is or is not a terrorist -- as you'll recall from our recent discussions about the Manning verdict, one thing that Manning's leaks showed is how frequently the military kills the wrong people and then covers it up.
krellin (80 DX)
01 Aug 13 UTC
ck - their is nothing "collective" about it. It is *DIRECT* guilt. And...as a Christian...er...you don't believe in collective guilt? By one sin entered the world....uhhhh...
Better brush up on your doctrine...
ckroberts (3548 D)
01 Aug 13 UTC
Oooh I do like the idea of getting this off an a theological tangent about collective guilt but that would not be fair to people not interested in it.

It's not "direct" guilt, though. Babies live in villages that hide alleged terrorists, under what I would like the call the Draugnar Doctrine they are perfectly acceptable targets for attack. I do not think those babies are directly guilty.
NigeeBaby (100 D(G))
01 Aug 13 UTC
Where does Mr Roberts live ..... must be some kinda bubble :-)
ckroberts (3548 D)
01 Aug 13 UTC
Actually I will briefly comment on Romans 5:12: " Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned"

That says that Adam's sin brought death to the world, not sin or the guilt of sin. That "all men" "sinned" is because of flawed human nature, not because of any direct descent from Adam. Among other things, if Adam DID provide some collective guilt to mankind, that would mean that all humans (including Christ) are sinful, making our salvation questionable since Christ lived a sinless life.

JECE (1248 D)
01 Aug 13 UTC
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Damn, I lost my post. I'll try to come up with as much as I can again:


Draugnar: No, you changed the topic. Do you agree with everything I had said before you started ranting about the chain of command? And Mr. Marine, did they ever teach you about the Geneva Conventions or other aspects of international law? You do realize that the Nuremburg trials, however unfortunate it was that they invented charges, made it perfectly clear that human rights trumps the chain of command, right?
ckroberts (3548 D)
01 Aug 13 UTC
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"human rights trumps the chain of command"

Man, this is so straightforward and obviously correct. We could have saved seven pages of argument.
Draugnar (0 DX)
01 Aug 13 UTC
We American's live by collective guilt. Provide a getaway for a bank robbery and you are charged and convicted as one of the robbers even though you just sat in the car.
ckroberts (3548 D)
01 Aug 13 UTC
Draugnar, do you charge a toddler sitting in the back seat of a car? An innocent person forced at gunpoint to participate?
JECE (1248 D)
01 Aug 13 UTC
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Emac: You're also changing the subject. But you're still wrong. The United States is all over the Middle East, and Syria is the least of it. (The U. S. is a huge arms exporter around the world and only a part of the Syrian rebels' arms come from the United States.) The United States maintains large military bases in Turkey, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Qatar, Afghanistan and several other countries in the region and Central Asia. Bahrain is also the base of the 5th Fleet of the U. S. Navy. (Bahrain is extremely authoritarian and has distinguished itself from its neighbors in the past few years on how to massacre its own citizenry.) You can see a look at official reports of the Department of Defense here:
http://siadapp.dmdc.osd.mil/personnel/MILITARY/miltop.htm
See the section "Active Duty Military Personnel by Service by Region/Country". You have go to the end of the reports to see a snapshot of 'deployments', which are not counted where you would expect in the reports. Also keep in mind that mercenaries and civilian contractors are not included, although sometimes they're included separately.
krellin (80 DX)
01 Aug 13 UTC
CK -- those babies? They are guilty of sin and deserving of death.

If it is God's will that the child's death (because of sin) comes via the bomb that was dropped because his daddy was supporting a terrorist, then so be it. Harsh...errr...look at your Bible. LOTS of babies die harsh death whiel God watches. And the government dropping the bobms? It was *ordained* by God, as all governments are. (Read Romans).
Celticfox (100 D(B))
01 Aug 13 UTC
Isn't that a little OT for you guys. I thought the NT was all about forgiveness and loving one another.
NigeeBaby (100 D(G))
01 Aug 13 UTC
Ok I see, that religious bubble as opposed to the national anthem bubble or the allegiance to the flag bubble or the Mid-West bubble. Probably a great way of dealing with very harsh realities, jump into that bubble and sing 'Every little things gonna be alright', it's like putting your head under the bed at night when you were a kid, you knew you were safe from ghosts and monsters and dracula and werewolves and the Real World.

krellin (80 DX)
01 Aug 13 UTC
I'm only taking religion because CK brought it up.
NigeeBaby (100 D(G))
01 Aug 13 UTC
CK seems to have immersed himself into religion as a way of denying the reality of what is happening. If Jesus were alive today, who's side would he be on .... I can't help but think he would be siding with the victims and not the aggressors.
The homeless not Goldman Sachs
The people in the refugee camps not in CIA head office
UNICEF, not the UN.
Before we can make things better we have to be honest to ourselves about who the real enemy is, then we can start to make it better.
ckroberts (3548 D)
01 Aug 13 UTC
Nigee, I am not sure why you think I am denying any of that. Perhaps I haven't been clear? I definitely think Jesus would be on the side of those you describe; that's why I am arguing for, among other things, a religious reason not to bomb villages that allegedly hide alleged terrorist.

Krellin, on a theological matter such as that we will have to just disagree. You have a particularly harsh, Calvinisiticish view on these things I don't share.
JECE (1248 D)
01 Aug 13 UTC
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Extremist Islam is a reaction to atrocities and unjust interventions. It may not be a logical reaction, but there it is. Hamas gained popularity over Fatah a decade ago because of how brutal the Israeli military can be. Al-Qaeda itself claimed from the beginning that its attacks on the United States were a direct reaction to U. S. military presence in the Middle East, especially in Saudi Arabia. Now, military domineering does not equal atrocities, but Al-Qaeda only exists because of U. S. support for extremist rebels against the communist Afghan government. Extremist Islam in Iraq was a direct reaction to the atrocities committed by the U. S. occupation, and to a lesser extent by memories of Saddam Hussein's government before it. The group which changed its name to "Al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb" in 2007 is a direct successor of far less radical parties which won the 1991 Algerian elections and fought to assert their rights in the Algerian Civil War.

Have you ever heard of the story of why Al-Shabaab exists? That's probably the clearest example I can give you. The Islamic Courts Union was formed in 2006 and almost immediately captured Mogadishu. The ICU rapidly expanded and occupied almost the entirety of South-Western Somalia save for the remains of the Transitional Federal Government* in a town called Baidoa and a region behind this town to the Ethiopian border. A stable state was about to be created in the region (which, with Puntland and Somaliland controlling the rest of the country could have meant an end to 15 years of anarchy and civil war). The ICU had even crushed the pirates along their coastline, giving international shipping a brief respite. What happened? Ethiopia invaded as the final Battle of Baidoa raged and quickly crushed the fledgling ICU administration with U. S. assistance, bringing back famine, the pirates and the warlords. With Ethiopia not prepared for a military occupation, the collapse of the ICU only led to the creation of radical extremist groups which have since consolidated as Al-Shabaab, occupying much the same territory that the ICU had captured, except now willing to do things like blow up a bar in Kenya because people a watching a football game. It would have been much better to work with the ICU rather than intervene, a lesson no one seems to have learned.

* the TFG was just a bunch of warlords that were recognized as the representative of Somalia in international relations early in the Millennium
JECE (1248 D)
01 Aug 13 UTC
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Wow, how did everything get cut off. All these posts are directed at Emac:

Emac: You're also changing the subject. But you're still wrong. The United States is all over the Middle East, and Syria is the least of it. (The U. S. is a huge arms exporter around the world and only a part of the Syrian rebels' arms come from the United States.) The United States maintains large military bases in Turkey, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Qatar, Afghanistan and several other countries in the region and Central Asia. Bahrain is also the base of the 5th Fleet of the U. S. Navy. (Bahrain is extremely authoritarian and has distinguished itself from its neighbors in the past few years on how to massacre its own citizenry.) You can see a look at official reports of the Department of Defense here:
http://siadapp.dmdc.osd.mil/personnel/MILITARY/miltop.htm
See the section "Active Duty Military Personnel by Service by Region/Country". You have go to the end of the reports to see a snapshot of 'deployments', which are not counted where you would expect in the reports. Also keep in mind that mercenaries and civilian contractors are not included, although sometimes they're included separately.

Extremist Islam is a reaction to atrocities and unjust interventions. It may not be a logical reaction, but there it is. Hamas gained popularity over Fatah a decade ago because of how brutal the Israeli military can be. Al-Qaeda itself claimed from the beginning that its attacks on the United States were a direct reaction to U. S. military presence in the Middle East, especially in Saudi Arabia. Now, military domineering does not equal atrocities, but Al-Qaeda only exists because of U. S. support for extremist rebels against the communist Afghan government. Extremist Islam in Iraq was a direct reaction to the atrocities committed by the U. S. occupation, and to a lesser extent by memories of Saddam Hussein's government before it. The group which changed its name to "Al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb" in 2007 is a direct successor of far less radical parties which won the 1991 Algerian elections and fought to assert their rights in the Algerian Civil War.

Have you ever heard of the story of why Al-Shabaab exists? That's probably the clearest example I can give you. The Islamic Courts Union was formed in 2006 and almost immediately captured Mogadishu. The ICU rapidly expanded and occupied almost the entirety of South-Western Somalia save for the remains of the Transitional Federal Government* in a town called Baidoa and a region behind this town to the Ethiopian border. A stable state was about to be created in the region (which, with Puntland and Somaliland controlling the rest of the country could have meant an end to 15 years of anarchy and civil war). The ICU had even crushed the pirates along their coastline, giving international shipping a brief respite. What happened? Ethiopia invaded as the final Battle of Baidoa raged and quickly crushed the fledgling ICU administration with U. S. assistance, bringing back famine, the pirates and the warlords. With Ethiopia not prepared for a military occupation, the collapse of the ICU only led to the creation of radical extremist groups which have since consolidated as Al-Shabaab, occupying much the same territory that the ICU had captured, except now willing to do things like blow up a bar in Kenya because people a watching a football game. It would have been much better to work with the ICU rather than intervene, a lesson no one seems to have learned.

* the TFG was just a bunch of warlords that were recognized as the representative of Somalia in international relations early in the Millennium
JECE (1248 D)
01 Aug 13 UTC
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NigeeBaby: ckroberts is criticizing Draugnar, krellin and others. You're reading "Mr Roberts" wrong, and I say that as a life-long atheist who has never seriously questioned the existence of gods, spirits or anything else along those lines. And the UN is not the enemy.
NigeeBaby (100 D(G))
01 Aug 13 UTC
"And the UN is not the enemy."

You need to understand the problem before you start to work out a solution, the UN are very much a part of the problem.
krellin (80 DX)
01 Aug 13 UTC
The UN is like the kid on the playground that tries to stop the fight between a bully and a little kid...they interupt, back you off just enough for the bully to catch his breath, and then BAM, the bully , refreshed, continues to pound the shit out of the little kid.

Name ONE instance where the UN has stopped an armed conflict?
JECE (1248 D)
01 Aug 13 UTC
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They are only part of the problem because member states (cough – U. S.) want it to be part of the problem.
krellin (80 DX)
01 Aug 13 UTC
Ahhhh.back to the old "the US is the root of all evil in the world routine..."

sigh....how tiresome, ridiculous, naive, boring, trite, ignorant (...no actually its not ignorant is flat out stupid)...

Get a new playbook, commie. lol
JECE (1248 D)
01 Aug 13 UTC
World War III

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TheLittleDiplomat (0 DX)
04 Sep 13 UTC
Gunboat
I couldn't find the advertise live games thread so:

Gunboat! Join fast, 9 minutes! http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=125563
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
01 Sep 13 UTC
Of Twerking and Terrible, Terrible Pop Songs--What Do We Pay Attention To?
So until today I was blissfully unaware of what the VMAs even were, let alone (Facebook jokes aside) what happened there with a certain Ms. Cyrus and...you know, forgoing all of...that (though really, WTF?!) I'd rather ask another question--assuming that most here likewise couldn't care less about Ms. Cyrus or Mr. Bieber or *Insert Pop Icon For the Masses Here*...what DO we care about, and why does the majority gravitate to these things we raise eyebrows at?
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NigeeBaby (100 D(G))
25 Aug 13 UTC
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Abu Sakkar the heart-eating cannibal
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-23190533

Tens of thousands are dying but luckily for the West they are only Syrians.
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jmo1121109 (3812 D)
03 Sep 13 UTC
Mod Team Update
Tom Bombadil is stepping down as a mod due to time constraints. So please join me in welcoming Captainmeme as our new moderator!
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spyman (424 D(G))
27 Aug 13 UTC
Nominations for Dipofool 2013 Now Open
The first ever Dipofool was Diplomat1824, and while he left this site many years ago his spirit lives on. It is time to name his successor. Who among us has earned the respect of his fellow members to be worthy of this esteemed title. Nominations are now open.
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Randomizer (722 D)
02 Sep 13 UTC
Bird detained as spy
http://newsfeed.time.com/2013/08/31/egyptian-authorities-detain-suspected-spy-bird/

Egyptian detained a bird for questioning as a possible spy. You have to watch everything these days.
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Draugnar (0 DX)
02 Sep 13 UTC
Is it sexist when...
...your professor, a woman, asks *everyone* in the class to post an introduction then posts public responses *only* to the women in the class?

So far, not a woman has been missed, and not a man has been replied to.
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SYnapse (0 DX)
03 Sep 13 UTC
Political nepotism
I am the relative of my local Member of Parliament. As such, my desire to go into politics is hindered by the fact that I will be accused of nepotism no matter what I achieve by my own merit. What is the best thing to do in this situation?
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Gnome de Guerre (359 D)
03 Sep 13 UTC
JOIN: A Terribly Long Game
gameID=125205 -- anonymous players -- public press only -- no private messages -- 10 day phases -- 20 D ante -- two days remain until "kickoff," and we only need four more players!
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Lando Calrissian (100 D(S))
30 Aug 13 UTC
ALL BONED UP WITH NOWHERE TO GO
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grking (100 D)
03 Sep 13 UTC
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What Happened to the Most High and Illustrious MeepMeep?
Where'd he go?
I left webDip over the summer, and I came back recently, but have seen no mention of him at all.
Did he decide we weren't worthy? Or did he just impart upon us his knowledge of Everything, then fade away, his work here done, to another forum where his adventure starts anew.
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Vikesrussel (839 D)
03 Sep 13 UTC
Fantasy Football.
If anyone wants to play in a league
http://games.espn.go.com/ffl/tools/join?leagueId=1242015

Draft is 8:15 Eastern.
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Yellowjacket (835 D(B))
02 Sep 13 UTC
Is it racist?
Consulting the forum.
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bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
31 Aug 13 UTC
Moralists Rejoice, Realists Cry
http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2013/8/31/u-n-investigatorsleavesyriaafterprobeofallegedgasattacksite.html
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bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
01 Sep 13 UTC
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I will be leaving this site (for now)
There is a very obvious reason associated with this, specifically that we are discussing the same thing over and over again, and not getting anywhere. I certainly enjoyed my time on this forum, but now I am moving on to a Traditionalist Catholic forum (http://catholicforum.fisheaters.com) because it sounds like a fun trolling project and I can't let Sbyvl get away from me. If you wish to contact me, you can't, because phones didn't exist in 1625 and that's the time I live in.
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Sbyvl36 (439 D)
01 Sep 13 UTC
I will be leaving this site (for now)
There I no particular reason associated with this, except that we are discussing the same thing over and over again, and not getting anywhere. I definitely enjoyed my time on this forum, but now I am moving on to a Traditionalist Catholic forum (http://catholicforum.fisheaters.com). If you wish to contact me, my email will be posted on my profile.

I do have 2 games to finish, so I will hang around until then. But my decision is definite and I will be gone within a few weeks.
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SpeakerToAliens (147 D(S))
22 Jul 13 UTC
New Gunboat Series
JCBrian97's original thread is locked. However,
"Not a tournament and no special rules. 36hr phases to avoid NMRs, but ready-up ASAP. 5 pt WTA games. I'll join as many as my points will allow. Last series was fun and hopefully this will be too. Anyone interested?"
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