I agree there is a contradiction there.

@Bo: Would you say the sweet spot for lynching Espi was D2?

@damian ... exactly, it is WIFOM from your point of view. That's what I'm saying. He did a good job at clouding things up for us. That said, from my perspective, there is no way in hell that any mafia pairing would ever make themselves that obvious. I would have bussed him D1 instead - it would have been easy. Everyone else was doing it. There was barely any contest on his lynch until after I left.

"Why were were waiting then, if his rampant production of information was likely to take him into the too much noise not enough signal realm."

I wasn't giving that any thought on D1. I showed you my thought process - 120 hours of talking > 48 hours.

@guak ... what kind of question is that? That's completely dependent on a lot of things. If the cop had survived, I would have said we should lynch him D2, yeah, because the cop has scans and hopefully that will reveal something. Since the cop was dead, I think we should have found his friends first. Maybe we would have lost, but now we're here and maybe we'll lose anyway.

My point Bo was that it seems like you are saying there was no good time to lynch Espi to date. That strikes me as suspicious. Although I'm not sure scum would admit to that like you have. Argh, this game!

Sorry guys. Let me pop this chicken into the oven and then I'll do stuff.

Question 4: Why didn’t you reply Yoyo?
Comment: I felt like you drew an illogical conclusion from what you stated, and when I asked you about it you left. Yet you still continued to post as if there was no problem with your town read of Espi, even stating in the following page when you returned that everyone up for a lynch was people you were town reading.
>I forgot about it, you should have reminded me. It's unimportant now, but I thought it was town v town because they were both low hanging fruit. Espi was a recycled candidate and Jeff is... Jeff.

Question 5: So you were town reading, Espi, Myself, Bo and... I assume you were excluding Vecna from that statement, is that correct?
>False. I was refering to the people up for lynch over the game. Like ND vs Espi, Jeff vs Espi, then it was Bo vs Espi. My town read on bo has completely disintegrated though.


Question 6 & 7: Why do you care how your vote makes one of your ‘maybe’ scum reads feel? Why aren’t you voting for people you think are scum?
>Lapse of judgment. I personally didnt care about the game anymore. I still kinda don't.

Question 8: Why the anchor posts?
>Lol I remember when Espi flipped, I was laughing at a joke someone told at work and my smile turned into confusion. Please stop calling it an anchor post, because that's not what an anchor or anchoring is. Thanks.

Thanks for the answers Yoyo. I'm going to take some time to think over what you've said and decided if I want my vote to stay on you or not.

What is an anchor post then? I was under the impression it was a post that basically is like, "I'm here" without adding anything of value to the conversation. Is that not the definition?

"then it was Bo vs Espi. "

Wasn't day three Guak vs Espi?

I think Maniac completely made up the term a few games ago, using the term "anchoring" incorrectly. It stuck around but it annoys me.

Actually on a related note Guak, we're still waiting on your explanation for the Vecna vote. I'm a little surprised you aren't voting for your top scum read, I'd like to hear your case against him.

Yes, damian, that's precisely what I am saying. As badly as he played, he did well to cloud up our picture of him and it's hard to get any information that can't be contradicted.

Show me how this is wrong if you want me to concede the point.

At the time that I made the comment it was bo vs Espi, I believe.

@damian: sorry, I haven't had much free time. But, I am building a case. Basically, at this point I am so sure that Yoyo is scum that I am looking for his teammate and I think it may be Vecna, which is why Iam voting for him.

I am torn between damian and Vecna as the last one after Yoyo, but I think Yoyo ought to go first. ##VOTE Yoyo

I am going to try to reread his interactions with wjessop tomorrow. Initially, I TRed him a bit for those, but I'm not sure what to make of it now. No idea when I'll get around to it but again hopefully tomorrow.

Lol "yoyo ought to go first"
Correction: I'd be the last to go.

@Guak "Basically, at this point I am so sure that Yoyo is scum that I am looking for his teammate and I think it may be Vecna, which is why Iam voting for him."

You do know it is lynch or lose right? I'm not sure why you and Bo are both pursing this strategy of ____ is obv scum, so I want to find his partner. We are a at lynch or lose, if we have a scum lynch, we should take it. If we make it to tomorrow, we will have 2 town to 1 scum. Which reduces the possibilities, that's the best time to be trying to decide who the final scum is, particularly since we will have the information from the preceding two scum flips. I feel like you are getting ahead of yourself and I don't understand or trust it. Its basically the exact same position Bo took yesterday when he voted for you.

@Bo
"Yes, damian, that's precisely what I am saying. As badly as he played, he did well to cloud up our picture of him and it's hard to get any information that can't be contradicted.

Show me how this is wrong if you want me to concede the point."
Its not wrong, but see my above post to Guak, since its basically the exact same logic. I think its wrong headed. At lynch or lose you take the scum you can get, hero reads are a great way to make the town lose.

Yoyo:
"At the time that I made the comment it was bo vs Espi, I believe."
Umm, no. This was the vote count at the time.
"Day 3 Vote Count #4

Espi (3): guak, Damian, Vecna
Damian (1): Espi
Vecna (1): Yoyoyozo
bo_sox48 (1): DeathLlama8

Unvoted: bo_sox48"

Which is why I asked question 4 in the first place and mentioned myself, bo and Espi. (Excluded Vecna since he was your vote at the time.

I'm starting to think that bo is scum. It seems like he's trying set himself apart from my lynch just in case you guys are smart enough to figure out that I'm not scum.

@Yoyo
Why would it matter if he set himself apart from the lynch? If you're town he wins.

Wait... no. I get it now. Forget I said anything

Damian, it still doesn't matter. I was townreading Espi at the time, trying to push wagons that were not happening for some reason. I don't what it is but no one wants to listen to me this game. Lol look where it's gotten us.

Alright Yoyo, since you probably remember more clearly than I do. Saving both of us the trouble of looking it up. What wagons have you been pushing this game?

Maniac and Vecna? I'm pretty sure I'm missing at least one.

And guak. Lmao and all 3 are still alive.

Alright, so all three of the wagons you are pushing are still alive.
Well, Guak has started a train on Vecna, any particular reason you're not voting for him today?

Because I'm beginning to think that it's bo and guak.

@Yoyo ... I'm getting bored of this game and lazy. Is that what you are referring to? I wouldn't argue with that; I lost interest quite awhile ago.

If it were Espi/guak/me, I wouldn't have bothered being online at that deadline without starting a third wagon.

Bo, it has already been noted that most people weren't on for that deadline. I'm not sure you would of had enough people to start a third wagon, particularly since Guak, Myself and Vecna all weren't on at deadline. Meaning that you'd have to get a three person wagon to tie the existing one for you to win as scum.

Actually, it would make more sense for it to be Vecna/Guak. I feel really shitty for using this as meta but it is possible that y2k extended the night to give Vecna more time to enter night orders, being the only person in France over the weekend. The night phase doesn't mean nearly as much as it does to scum so that's a possibility. I am fairly sure that guak is scum at this point though.

Do you have a case for why Guak is scum? He's my strongest town read at the moment, so I'm curious what in particular you are drawing on to arrive at the opposite conclusion. I don't need a long case just a summation of the gist of it will do for now.

Off for supper. Catch you all later.